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Science Fiction or Space Fantasy - what is Star Wars

DuracellEnergizer said:

Astroboi2 said:

So the tech setting of Star Wars does make it science fiction. Space wizards are typical fare for space opera. The Mule in the Foundation stories, Paul in Dune, Gary Mitchell in Star Trek.

Except that Star Wars doesn’t take place in the future, while those other stories do. That’s the main difference.

So if someone were to write a story about an advanced alien civilization set in the distant past — and for the sake of argument, let’s say there were absolutely no mystical elements present — it still wouldn’t qualify as sci-fi?

Sounds stupid to me.

That’s a good question. I’m leaning towards no, but I’d have to read said story before deciding. I wonder if anyone has written such a thing?

Science Fiction or Space Fantasy - what is Star Wars

If science fiction is about how scientific advancements impact humanity, then Star Wars can’t be sci-fi. There aren’t any real humans. It’s just a bunch of aliens… with many that happen to look like humans and happen to speak english. It’s a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, so it’s got nothing to do with us.

Now, if they went the Battlestar Galactica route and said that these were our forefathers who would one day colonize earth, then I would argree that it’s sci-fi.

Not that I really care. Star Wars just belongs in the genre of Awesome.

<em>Solo: A Star Wars Story</em> — Official Review and Opinions Thread — <strong>SPOILERS</strong>

Just had my second viewing of Solo earlier today, and IMHO it still holds up as a really fun Star Wars movie… and a really fun movie in general. There’s a few parts that drag here and there… and there’s almost enough plot material for two movies (I feel that way about a lot of movies these days though), but overall I left the theater thrilled, wanting more stories with these characters.

The cast in general was awesome. Alden Ehrenreich’s interpretation of the young Han Solo was really fun and worked well for me (sure, he’s not quite a young Harrison Ford, but no one will be… that’s why I call it an interpretation). Joonas Suotamo, Woody Harrelson, Emilia Clarke, Paul Bettany, and of course, “Childish Gambino” himself - Donald Glover - all delivered spot-on performances that I thoroughly enjoyed watching.

Being a fan of the new Westworld series, I also really enjoyed Thandie Newton’s part… as brief as it was… and Jon Favreau’s voice work for the pilot Rio Durant was also really well done (it made that character come alive for me… again, briefly). Oh… and Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s portrayal of L3 was hilarious! I understand why some people find L3 annoying, but I think she’s great! Whether she’s supposed to be a parody or an actual SJW type of character doesn’t bother me either way. She has personality and it’s an interesting dynamic with the other characters.

If there’s only one thing I would really complain about, it would be a technical detail… the brightness… or lack there-of. My first viewing was in 3D which seemed waaay too dark. My second viewing was is 2D, which still seemed really dark, but not as bad. In general I found the movie worked better for me in 2D (which just seems right for Star Wars movies… I’ll save the 3D for Jurassic World).

And now I’ll leave you with a Yoda-style Haiku…

This Solo movie.
Much fun to see it is hmmm?
See it too… you should.

Star Wars sound mixes

Sorry for bumping an old thread - and my apologies if this isn’t the right place to ask - but does anyone know what mix is on the 1985 CAV North American laserdisc? I figured it would have been the 1985 remix/remaster, but my copy does NOT have 3P0’s extra line about the tractor beam… which I thought it would if it actually was the '85 remaster.

Ranking the Star Wars films

I debated about this for quite a while, but I think I’ve finally decided on my rankings…

  1. Star Wars
  2. The Empire Strikes Back
  3. Return of the Jedi
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. Rogue One
  6. The Last Jedi
  7. The Battle for Endor
  8. Caravan of Courage
  9. The Phantom Menace
  10. Revenge of the Sith
  11. The Star Wars Holiday Special
  12. Attack of the Clones

This was actually tougher than I thought. From 3 to 6 changed positions several times before I settled on this.

Star Wars Laserdisc Preservations. See 1st Post for Updates.

Question for all you Star Wars laserdisc peoples: Did any of you happen to notice any difference between the first two time-compressed P&S laserdisc releases of Star Wars? The first one is the Fox release from 1982, while the second is the CBS/Fox release from 1983 (both with the same catalog number of 1130-80). There was also a third time-compressed P&S release in '92… which is definitely different from the first release at least (different P&S transfer and maybe pitch correction applied too)… but I don’t have a copy of the second release to compare against them. I would download these versions to check and see, but my hard drives are stuffed full right now.

The second release is the only US release of Star Wars I’m missing from my collection and I’m trying to convince myself that I don’t need to buy it 😉

Love the fact that you’re preserving these Althor! Once I get some space on my drive I’ll have to grab these as backups for the sad day when my players die.

4K restoration on Star Wars

danny_boy said:

In this Entertainment Tonight expose’ from 1992:


Leonard Maltin refers to Star Wars as having been called A New Hope
Go to 1:25 in the video.

So even by that point(1992) the original Star Wars from 77’ was already forgotten in the popular culture.

I wouldn’t say that Star Wars was forgotten in popular culture in 1992. I was 18 in 1992 at the original trilogy was still very highly regarded. Sure, it wasn’t the “hot new thing” anymore, but the OT was still considered to be a high-water mark in mainstream sci-fi cinema, and almost immediately gained the status of “classic.”

And Leonard Maltin didn’t really refer to Star Wars as having been called A New Hope per se… he said “you may recall that the opening title of the original Star Wars film labelled it Episode IV: A New Hope.” Being labelled something does not mean that it’s the official title necessarily. In fact, earlier in that same video he refers to the entire original trilogy as “Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi” (0:41 in the video).

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TV’s Frink said:

That joke was already made.

suspiciouscoffee said:


Doh! That’s what I get for not reading the whole thread before posting.

But really, my name does suck. I screwed up while trying to sign up and had to do it over… hence the 2.

Actually, this is the first forum I ever joined, and doing so while half cut was probably not the best idea. :p

Am I a hipster?

I quite enjoy vinyl, but not because I think it’s superior. It’s just nostalgic and I enjoy the experience… but I also enjoy the MP3 format for making playlists I can listen to while walking around!

I do enjoy physical media in general though, with an emphasis on the retro stuff. Records, CDs, DVDs, Laserdiscs, Blurays… all of it’s cool. I also have some of older video game consoles and computers too. I guess I’m somewhat of a collector… but I try not to be a hoarder.

I really respect those who are minimalists though, and I do believe that going digital is probably better for the environment. I just really enjoy the history of our culture’s entertainment. Plus, I don’t think it’s terrible for a few of us to save some this for posterity. And with my emphasis on retro, I’m keeping at least some of this from going into a landfill… for a little while at anyway!