Artan42

CaptainFaraday said:

Very important question time: who is Holdo’s partner pokémon?

Wobbuffet, because she’s basically Jessie.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

sidshady12 said:

sherlockpotter said:

New attempt. Lots of clean up done, but it may still need some work, of course.

https://streamable.com/t22rsz

Random fan editor here, had to look up what the original scene was but if you don’t know it’s edited it’s impossible to tell it was, after all, movies do this kind of ADR/audio manipulation in post all the time and we probably don’t even know because we don’t know where to look for spliced audio. I’d say this is good enough to work

I definitely wouldn’t go that far, sid. Try some headphones. It’s pretty close, though.

I’ve not seen the film since it came out and even with headphones I couldn’t tell it was a new line.

If Vader’s there then the Imperial March needs to be there too. It’s his theme. It’s in RotS, it’s in TCW, it’s in Rebels, it’s everywhere.

NeverarGreat said:

You heard it here first, folks. Anakin’s only student being alive and able to confront him is ‘completely unrelated to the story of Vader’s redemption’.

Correct. She tried, she failed, and moved on. Or have you not seen the franchise before?

jedi_bendu said:

I’d love Ahsoka to have been on some kind of spiritual journey for a higher purpose, called away by the Force simply because it isn’t her destiny to help Vader see the light again, but Luke’s.

If we don’t get any kind of explanation like that, yeah I’ll be pissed too.

That already is the explanation. It’s not spelt out because you don’t need that sort of thing spelling out. She tried to redeem Vader and couldn’t so she went off and did other things. Same as Yoda, same as Obi-Wan.

NeverarGreat said:

Yeah, Artan’s post practically proves my point, and I’m not even that big on lionizing the characters of the OT.

Artan42 said:
Luckily Ahsoka is there to tie together the much more interesting parts of the saga than ‘whining farmhand tries to make genocidal tyrant good again’ and long may that continue.

Far be it from me to summarize the entire OT, but Luke’s belief in the inherent goodness of his father strikes me as a fairly central takeaway. If that doesn’t appeal to you Artan…maybe Star Wars isn’t your thing?

Sigh, did you bother to read the post or just take my hyperbolic summery as the entire point? Luke and Vader’s story (together) is the OT and nothing else, and you know what, I don’t massively like the OT because I don’t care about Vader in any way, but luckily there’s an entire franchise of much more interesting characters I do watch. So maybe you could read the post again and realise that Luke isn’t important to most of it which was my point and that if a viewer only cares about Luke and Vader then SW is not for them because it only makes up a tiny fraction of it.

It’s been a franchise since Splinter of the Mind’s Eye. The word franchise is also utterly unrelated to the word saga other than them both being used for media. And if you think 1978 is an example of ‘modern marketing’ then that’s an… original take.

If you think the presence of interconnected characters ‘ruins’ stories then maybe you want to only watch or read stand-alone media rather than anything with a sequel, prequel, or spin-offs… you know, like Star Wars.

Luke being the only hope against Vader is a mythical thing because Star Wars is a fantasy. Not literally that he’s the only Jedi physically left. Luke (and obviously Leia) are the ones that can defeat Vader because they represent the good in Anakin. It was never about physically being able to defeat him else Yoda would have done so, so Ahsoka, Ezra, Cal, or any number of Jedi knocking around is completely unrelated to the story of Vader’s redemption.

Luckily Ahsoka is there to tie together the much more interesting parts of the saga than ‘whining farmhand tries to make genocidal tyrant good again’ and long may that continue.

MalaStrana#2 said:

Artan42 said:

By screen time she’s basically the main character of the franchise

Which is indeed becoming a huge problem in this franchise (no longer a Saga, sadly), creating circumvoluted plot issues. Not really hyped by having more of her 😕

That is exactly what a saga is. Long form stories of mythical characters all connected to each other with plots that are just there for the characters to do impressive things.

The proto-Stormtroopers felt really out of place. They don’t look anything like Clone or Stormtroopers. They’d actually have served better in a post-Mandalorian Empire as the transition into the FO Stormtroopers.

It’s even worse because Hunter himself already has the transitional look between the Phase 2 helmet and a Stormtrooper helmet in the same way Colt had the transitional helmet between the Phase 1 and 2 clones.

Other than that, the episode was a really god one. I like them remembering that the Bad Batch (well Echo’s an ARC but they’re basically the same) are commandos and tying them into Gregor and Sev was good.

By screen time she’s basically the main character of the franchise and I hope she continues to be in everything.

CaptainFaraday said:
Those are both really good suggestions for Rey to have. I personally really like Tyranitar, so it would have my vote. What would Kylo have? Maybe Sneasel, and it evolves to Weaville when he declares himself Supreme Leader?

I’m thinking Cubone for Kylo. It’s got the helmet, it’s constantly moping, it’s holding a lightsabre, there’s the dead parents thing, and the Alolan Marowak looks a bit Sith-y.

CamSMurph said:

Fucking Pokémon, dude?!? 😱

No. That would not be family friendly.

Ray needs to start with an Aron or Larvitar. The former has the metal connection (a scrapper) and the latter is a desert dweller (Jakku). They both have dark connotations, and they’re final stages are awesome dinosaurs who deserve plenty of screen time. They can both even mega evolve suitable for facing off against grandpa who clearly uses a Genesect / Mewtwo / or Deoxys.

I’m glad it sounds like a break helped.

Energy leaves Palp’s body in RotJ. Clones have existed (with Palp’s knowledge) since AotC. Clone tanks are show in RoS. Palps wants to posses Rey in RoS.

He’s the original spirit in a imperfect clone body. That’s the only read I got from watching the film.

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Servii said:

Artan42 said:

Servii said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

You see it be used against the sequel trilogy, especially The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker. Even Palpatine’s return is criticized for “undoing the Chosen One accomplishment”… especially when these people are well-aware that Anakin only killed Palps specifically to save Luke.

What people don’t understand is that everything is temporary. What people think is that the victory of the OT only matters if it lasts forever.

The victory of the OT allowed for galactic peace for three decades. People were born and lived in peace because of the achievements of the OT. You need to come to terms with the temporarily of reality. Nothing ever lasts forever and thinking anything will… sets you up for sadness and anger.

Thoughts?

That may be how real life works, but Star Wars isn’t real life. It’s a fantasy setting. And Anakin killing the Emperor was meant by Lucas (at least retroactively) to be an act of cosmic significance. It was the destruction of the Sith and the restoration of balance to the Force.

Also, it wasn’t exactly 30 years of peace when the New Republic was embarrassingly corrupt and incompetent, and the new Jedi Order failed to get off the ground, and the main heroes of the OT all ended up failing at life and becoming estranged from on another.

That real-world cynicism has no place in Star Wars.

True, which is why the PT is an example of a perfect democracy where a suitable leader was elected and didn’t plunge the galaxy into a decades long civil war where every system was under the direct control of the leaders personal army and the main bad guy was a failed main character who killed both of the other two main characters.

Thank the maker that SW has never used real life cynicism prior to TFA.

The Old Republic only became corrupt and fell due to decades of Sith subversion. It didn’t fall apart for just mundane reasons like real-world governments often do. And the fall of Anakin is a melodramatic tragedy that, like Luke’s story in the OT, is based in mythical archetypes. That’s not George Lucas just going “Well, real life sucks, so I’ll make my world suck too, lol.” It’s meant to be loftier than that. The Prequels tell a tragic story, but that tragedy is deliberately softened because we know the OT exists and that the good guys will win in the end. You can have low points in a story, but that doesn’t equate to cynicism.

At no point in the PT or TCW is any indication given that Palps alone is responsible for the fall of the Republic. The Republic falls due to it being crippled by corruption and decay, exactly the reason real life governments fall, this has been well explained by Lucas along with all the other tropes based on real life in the OT and PT.

There is no difference whatsoever between Anakin’s fall and Luke’s withdrawal in the ST so if you are trying to claim there’s some magical difference between mythical cynicism and realistic cynicism then all your points against the ST are also invalidated as they’re identically mythical.

The PT is no more or less made less cynical by the existence of the death of Palps in the OT than the cynicism of the ST is made less or more cynical by the death of Palps in TRoS.

Servii said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

You see it be used against the sequel trilogy, especially The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker. Even Palpatine’s return is criticized for “undoing the Chosen One accomplishment”… especially when these people are well-aware that Anakin only killed Palps specifically to save Luke.

What people don’t understand is that everything is temporary. What people think is that the victory of the OT only matters if it lasts forever.

The victory of the OT allowed for galactic peace for three decades. People were born and lived in peace because of the achievements of the OT. You need to come to terms with the temporarily of reality. Nothing ever lasts forever and thinking anything will… sets you up for sadness and anger.

Thoughts?

That may be how real life works, but Star Wars isn’t real life. It’s a fantasy setting. And Anakin killing the Emperor was meant by Lucas (at least retroactively) to be an act of cosmic significance. It was the destruction of the Sith and the restoration of balance to the Force.

Also, it wasn’t exactly 30 years of peace when the New Republic was embarrassingly corrupt and incompetent, and the new Jedi Order failed to get off the ground, and the main heroes of the OT all ended up failing at life and becoming estranged from on another.

That real-world cynicism has no place in Star Wars.

True, which is why the PT is an example of a perfect democracy where a suitable leader was elected and didn’t plunge the galaxy into a decades long civil war where every system was under the direct control of the leaders personal army and the main bad guy was a failed main character who killed both of the other two main characters.

Thank the maker that SW has never used real life cynicism prior to TFA.

I wonder if the Kaminoans made Omega to make sure they always had some fresh Fett DNA on hand whilst they were making Alpha. I think they said Jango only wanted a single clone.

Poor Bane’s getting old and slow.

I quite liked the colour grading. It added to the feeling of the dilapidation of the station, though it did wash out Dax’s spots.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

bbghost said:

I really never had a problem with Hux being made a farce of, or “they fly now” (yes it’s corny, but that’s Star Wars, right?)

It wasn’t until I found this forum that I realized so many people HATE that “They fly now” joke. I will never understand it. lol.

Because the Empire, Republic, and CIS have all had jettroopers and it would be weird if the FO didn’t.

I’ve just started watching the anthology thing. I’ve never seen FoD before so it’s new.

Anakin’s animation doesn’t look that far off his 2003 CW look.
Ahsoka has eyebrows? Why?
Her shorto is green instead of yellow. Why?
I find it highly amusing that the same move she uses to block Yoda (the crossed sabres behind her back) is the same move she uses to block against Vader in Rebels.
Anakin is drawn as the same height as Ashoka. I know she’s quite tall in Rebels but she’s nowhere near as tall as Anakin in TCW.
Kit Fisto has some weird hairs growing out of his shoulders.
Padmé apparently has a chrome N1 to match her other chrome starships.
I think it’s obvious Obi-Wan sent Ahsoka along on purpose. I’m sure he knew about the two of them since the end of AotC.
In 15 odd mins Ashoka manages to have more chemistry with Padmé than Anakin did for the whole PT.
Luminara has a different voice, Bariss’ is close enough. Typho also sounds wrong.
I can’t remember if 3P0 or R2 ever go back to Illum after it becomes Starkiller Base.

Enough on my rambling observations. The cut itself worked well, the animation styles are surprisingly similar, as is the tone and it actually manages to feel like the FoD stuff was original to it. The choices of segments helps set up a bunch of things from the main series (including Illum and Mon Cala, Ahsoka confronting a binary load lifter). The transitions can sometimes be a bit abrupt on the audio but unless you have the soundtrack there’s little that can be done there. The titles work nicely for both shows. I like the amount of Padmé in the episode as well.

triadne said:

I’ve rendered these 12 minutes and if anyone is interested in this then I can share it via google drive. it’s too large to go on vimeo and I think it’s too long to qualify as being okay to post in the forums.

I’d be interested in seeing it.

The ending is a bit off where Vader goes directly from a corridor to a junction and is suddenly holding the captain.
Overall I’m not sure it works. The concept is good, the matched colours and resolution between the films works well but there’s just two different styles with the dynamic camera vs the static camera. ANH is a really static film.
RO fits better as a prologue where the static feel comes across as more of a breather from the intense chase leading up to it I think.

EddieDean said:

Artan42 said:

The cut itself only went a bit sticky after the sudden zoom into Dooku’s hidden base and the sudden introduction of the rest of the crew and Bane’s takeover of the mission with Eval not sulking about it despite his massive ego (still present in the cut).

Thanks Artan. Can you expand on this a little please? When you say ‘a bit sticky’, do you mean that those establishing shots don’t quite work? Or something graphical? Or are you referring to the story regarding the introduction of the full crew?

Do you think that excluding the introduction of the additional group members constituted a narrative hole, or do you think it was forgivable? If a hole, do you think it would be patched by mentioning Bane’s established ability to quickly pull together a crew in the opening text, or does it feel like more is needed?

The establishing shots work and it’s clear what’s going on any why. It’s the story that just feels a bit patchy. I think ‘The Box’ covers a lot of exposition as well as the team selection that’s just missing if you remove the whole thing.

Eval is set up as the valuable mastermind with Bane as a useful minion in the first part before ‘The Box’ shows that Dooku wanted Bane all along. There’s also no mention of needing to find help in the first part as all their focus is on running, that’s because ‘The Box’ has the switch form Eval to Bane and the focus on the team whereas the cut has the team appearing out of nowhere with no indication why Bane didn’t ask them for help in part 1.

I think if anything is added to the crawl it might have to be that there’s a crew waiting in secret on Naboo ready for the prison break but that might disrupt the flow and add unnecessary exposition.
ordinarily I might suggest adding some scenes from ‘The Box’ as a quick montage with dialogue playing over them but the problem is that the pacing of your cut is really good and would potentially slow down if any more was added.

I think it’s something I wouldn’t have noticed if this had been the original episode as things like this happen (like the Obi-Wan and Anakin are captured by Hondo episodes) but having seen the full arc it stood out to me. It might be worth seeing if anybody else notices it before considering changing anything as it may just be me that noticed it.

I’ve just watched the Death of Obi-Wan cut. I’m impressed, the pacing feels like it should and it keeps all the important beats, Dooku and Bane’s relationship, Mace being a dick and even Yoda showing why the PT Jedi have issues, Palps clearly knowing what’s going on and using it as a huge attempt to manipulate Anakin.

I actually wish TCW had much more of the latter, it’s really only this arc and the Ahsoka’s Trial arc that show Anakin on his descent.

The cut itself only went a bit sticky after the sudden zoom into Dooku’s hidden base and the sudden introduction of the rest of the crew and Bane’s takeover of the mission with Eval not sulking about it despite his massive ego (still present in the cut).

I’d also noticed that one of the fireworks looks like an opening text crawl which is cool. I really hate the holo-disguises though.