I quite liked the colour grading. It added to the feeling of the dilapidation of the station, though it did wash out Dax’s spots.
I really never had a problem with Hux being made a farce of, or “they fly now” (yes it’s corny, but that’s Star Wars, right?)
It wasn’t until I found this forum that I realized so many people HATE that “They fly now” joke. I will never understand it. lol.
Because the Empire, Republic, and CIS have all had jettroopers and it would be weird if the FO didn’t.
I’ve just started watching the anthology thing. I’ve never seen FoD before so it’s new.
Anakin’s animation doesn’t look that far off his 2003 CW look.
Ahsoka has eyebrows? Why?
Her shorto is green instead of yellow. Why?
I find it highly amusing that the same move she uses to block Yoda (the crossed sabres behind her back) is the same move she uses to block against Vader in Rebels.
Anakin is drawn as the same height as Ashoka. I know she’s quite tall in Rebels but she’s nowhere near as tall as Anakin in TCW.
Kit Fisto has some weird hairs growing out of his shoulders.
Padmé apparently has a chrome N1 to match her other chrome starships.
I think it’s obvious Obi-Wan sent Ahsoka along on purpose. I’m sure he knew about the two of them since the end of AotC.
In 15 odd mins Ashoka manages to have more chemistry with Padmé than Anakin did for the whole PT.
Luminara has a different voice, Bariss’ is close enough. Typho also sounds wrong.
I can’t remember if 3P0 or R2 ever go back to Illum after it becomes Starkiller Base.
Enough on my rambling observations. The cut itself worked well, the animation styles are surprisingly similar, as is the tone and it actually manages to feel like the FoD stuff was original to it. The choices of segments helps set up a bunch of things from the main series (including Illum and Mon Cala, Ahsoka confronting a binary load lifter). The transitions can sometimes be a bit abrupt on the audio but unless you have the soundtrack there’s little that can be done there. The titles work nicely for both shows. I like the amount of Padmé in the episode as well.
I’ve rendered these 12 minutes and if anyone is interested in this then I can share it via google drive. it’s too large to go on vimeo and I think it’s too long to qualify as being okay to post in the forums.
I’d be interested in seeing it.
The ending is a bit off where Vader goes directly from a corridor to a junction and is suddenly holding the captain.
Overall I’m not sure it works. The concept is good, the matched colours and resolution between the films works well but there’s just two different styles with the dynamic camera vs the static camera. ANH is a really static film.
RO fits better as a prologue where the static feel comes across as more of a breather from the intense chase leading up to it I think.
The cut itself only went a bit sticky after the sudden zoom into Dooku’s hidden base and the sudden introduction of the rest of the crew and Bane’s takeover of the mission with Eval not sulking about it despite his massive ego (still present in the cut).
Thanks Artan. Can you expand on this a little please? When you say ‘a bit sticky’, do you mean that those establishing shots don’t quite work? Or something graphical? Or are you referring to the story regarding the introduction of the full crew?
Do you think that excluding the introduction of the additional group members constituted a narrative hole, or do you think it was forgivable? If a hole, do you think it would be patched by mentioning Bane’s established ability to quickly pull together a crew in the opening text, or does it feel like more is needed?
The establishing shots work and it’s clear what’s going on any why. It’s the story that just feels a bit patchy. I think ‘The Box’ covers a lot of exposition as well as the team selection that’s just missing if you remove the whole thing.
Eval is set up as the valuable mastermind with Bane as a useful minion in the first part before ‘The Box’ shows that Dooku wanted Bane all along. There’s also no mention of needing to find help in the first part as all their focus is on running, that’s because ‘The Box’ has the switch form Eval to Bane and the focus on the team whereas the cut has the team appearing out of nowhere with no indication why Bane didn’t ask them for help in part 1.
I think if anything is added to the crawl it might have to be that there’s a crew waiting in secret on Naboo ready for the prison break but that might disrupt the flow and add unnecessary exposition.
ordinarily I might suggest adding some scenes from ‘The Box’ as a quick montage with dialogue playing over them but the problem is that the pacing of your cut is really good and would potentially slow down if any more was added.
I think it’s something I wouldn’t have noticed if this had been the original episode as things like this happen (like the Obi-Wan and Anakin are captured by Hondo episodes) but having seen the full arc it stood out to me. It might be worth seeing if anybody else notices it before considering changing anything as it may just be me that noticed it.
I’ve just watched the Death of Obi-Wan cut. I’m impressed, the pacing feels like it should and it keeps all the important beats, Dooku and Bane’s relationship, Mace being a dick and even Yoda showing why the PT Jedi have issues, Palps clearly knowing what’s going on and using it as a huge attempt to manipulate Anakin.
I actually wish TCW had much more of the latter, it’s really only this arc and the Ahsoka’s Trial arc that show Anakin on his descent.
The cut itself only went a bit sticky after the sudden zoom into Dooku’s hidden base and the sudden introduction of the rest of the crew and Bane’s takeover of the mission with Eval not sulking about it despite his massive ego (still present in the cut).
I’d also noticed that one of the fireworks looks like an opening text crawl which is cool. I really hate the holo-disguises though.
The visuals for Corellia were so good. Their environmental artists are very good at their jobs.
- The scene at 25:00 reads to me as the first time Padme has asked these kind of questions to a common citizen of the Republic, implying that she doesn’t usually talk to the people, though Tekla says she does, and that this is the sole conversation Padme bases her following speech on. I wonder if some dialogue trims here would help to make this seem a more usual conversation for Padme?
I forgot to mention this when I watched it. I wonder if it’d be possible to reverse the two parts of the conversation so Padmé asks first then Tekla says how nice she is to ask rather than the original way which makes it look almost like she guilts Padmé into asking her.
Please the people who want Gina Carano rehired by rehiring her for the one pre-Wampa scene
If Colin Baker’s anything to go by, that’ll be a no from her, but I know you’re just joking.
So you’re saying that Cara should be recast as Sylvester McCoy in a wig?
Wow. I’m going to have to put aside some time to watch all these.
You’re another voice in favour of keeping Ahsoka’s “I’m not so bad” line - perhaps there’s a middle ground where I keep the line and him checking her out but I still cut out the camera ogling and perhaps her tutting about boys, making it ultimately a bit more sincere.
Maybe try zoom the image into just her head rather than a full body thing or play the line when the camera is on Lux then cut to an other clip of her just standing or something?
You can keep the ‘boys’ bit cut. That sort of joke wasn’t even funny in the '90s never mind the '10s.
Replace every scene available with Galaxy of Adventures. Those that haven’t been animated remain live-action.
A friend of mine made a ROTS edit that added in all available content that takes place around and during it, including the seige of Coruscant from the Tartakovsky Clone Wars. After a few minutes I didn’t even think about the footage and animation mismatch; it was weird in how not weird it was.
I could see Doctor Who reconstructions using such an approach at some point.
The link SandMTV posted links to a video with a 15 character ID (f2ynu4megZFmo8U), but every YouTube video has an 11 character ID. Conclusion: Sand is from a distant future where they ran out of YouTube IDs and had to add four more digits.
His wall of text last month on this thread isn’t helping his case.
Doctor Who has had the opportunity to blend animation and live action for the First and Second Doctor stuff. They did so for the early ones but now are just fully animating the full stories even if live action episodes exist.
The link SandMTV posted links to a video with a 15 character ID (f2ynu4megZFmo8U), but every YouTube video has an 11 character ID. Conclusion: Sand is from a distant future where they ran out of YouTube IDs and had to add four more digits.
Well that’s disappointing considering the post about a lot of RotS deleted scenes. That means that, even in the future, those scenes aren’t in release.
That’s a HUGE relief that you thought this all flowed! That second half took a lot of work from a lot of options and this was my preferred (and shortest) version so if you think this worked as a whole I’m very happy.
At no point did this feel like anything was joined together.
I did trim Ahsoka’s “check me out”, mainly because there’s the full-body scan shot and I don’t like the camera gawking at a teenager and the whole “boys will be boys” thing (probably for the same reason that we both have an issue with Ahsoka assuming that the senator friend was male). But the hint at flirting isn’t vital here, so I think it’s an OK trim. Did the actual cutting feel natural there?
That’s a fair point. It’s only because I found it funny that I noticed it wasn’t there. It was funny to me because she behaves so much like Anakin in non-Jedi situations as well as in fighting, but it’s not the end of the world to remove it, she still gets similar fails in the Ondaron arc. Otherwise there’s no indication there’s anything cut.
You mention liking the episode but forgetting that it spelt out that the corporate seats were corruption, but I’d like to correct you here and let you know that that wasn’t something from the original episode 😉 That’s a scene from the far less enjoyable Senate Murders episode rather than the greater Heroes on Both Sides/Pursuit of Peace duology. That said, while you’re quite right about corporate seats being bought, I do like that they have a senate which includes more than just member nation states. It’s cool that there are some powerful corporate elements, as well as that neutral systems collectively have a seat even though they’re external. It’s a little distopian and a little utopian too.
I’ve not seen Senate Murders for years so I didn’t spot any inserted scenes here. I’m impressed though considering the lower quality of the early episodes.
And yeah, American “Table a motion” versus UK “Table a motion” is an unfortunate complete opposite of meaning. I also thought about removing ‘Caucus’ because it’s very specific to US politics but I didn’t want to break the flow of that scene to achieve that trim.
They even use the correct meaning of the phrase later on (I think it was Mothma) when the put the peace talks on the table or something like that.
My largest recontextualising was when Padmé’s walking alone before she gets jumped. Having watched my episode, why do you think Padmé was walking alone there in that scene? I’d like to see if my intentions carried across! Do you think that scene worked?
I thought it was strange at first but Padmé is always doing reckless things like that so I thought she was doing it to try draw out the people who were attacking her allies.
And of course the ever-important question: Would you prefer to watch this over the original three episodes?
I think I would yes. I don’t think I’ve seen any of your edits that aren’t as good as, or preferable to, the originals yet, though I’ve not watched them all.
Politics of War is looking good so far.
Organa wanting to delay the vote by asking to table it really confused me until I remembered that Americans have the phrase backwards as usual.
On-Free-Ta’s aids are distractingly orange with orange clothes making them look naked.
Not related to your edit but I forgot the little argument between Anakin and Padmé happened after the Obviously Evil Trio ™ meeting happened, that’s nice. Though Anakin’s suggestion that Padmé teach Ashoka about politics is strange after the crawl said she was already doing that.
I love Padmés sass after hearing Anakin claim, with a straight face, that The Republic isn’t corrupt after the senators for the Banking Clan and Trade Federation spoke in the senate.
It’s (again, the original episode) weird that Ashoka automatically assumes Padmés senator friend is a male. I don’t think the line could be cut without a jump but it’s such an odd assumption to make.
Ashoka also indicates (in the scene where they conspire to visit Vonterri) that the political training is Anakin’s idea not a pre-existing Padmé thing.
Ashoka’s ‘you’re a Separatist’ line is also a bit stupid. I get she’s indoctrinated to see all Separatists as Battledroids but it’s still a bit silly to just say it out loud after talking about her with Padmé for a while.
Did you cut out Ashoka’s weird awkward flirting with Lux? I’m sure she called back his ‘look at me, am I so bad’ line. If so I think it’s a shame. I always found it hilarious.
At 12:37 Vonterri refers to Douku as the leader of the Senate before establishing a second later than the Separatist government is a Parliament.
The Parliament building looks depressingly familiar but I’d forgotten how much I liked this episode. It’s actually pointed out that the corporate seats are corruption.
I also didn’t realise that the Senate sessions were broadcast around the Capital.
Everybody treats Padmé’s speech at the end as if it was the vote itself. She’s only presenting her argument and it’s a bit random that the dodgy Umbaran senator and the others would be clapping along like she’d just delivered a KO to them.
Your edit of this episode flowed and worked well so this post is basically just me pointing out stuff from the original.
It needs more lightning. I’d like to see Finn’s skull. Also, dubstep.
I’d be happy enough with a redone series 6 Yoda and Order 66 arc. Anything to get rid of the reused models of all the Jedi knocking around in partial armour despite being into RotS by that point (in visions anyway).
Boba flies high above the Great Pit of Carkoon and prepares to unleash a dizzying array of missile-based weaponry from his armor. His targeting system locks on to Luke, Han, R2, Lando, even Leia and C-3PO. He looks at Luke. “For my father…Jedi.” he growls in an Australian accent. Suddenly a tentacle shoots out of the Sarlacc beak, ensnaring the formidable bounty-hunter. He turns his attention to the menace beneath him, but his weapons can’t get a lock. He fires missiles at the Sarlacc but they go wide and he is dragged down into the depths.
Luke stares at the pit as a deep rumbling is heard. He races to the other side of the barge, Leia in tow. “Let’s go, and don’t forget the droids!” He shouts, swinging to freedom. Behind them the pit ignites in a fireball of Mandalorian glory, engulfing the sail barge and sending Jabba’s crime syndicate into the stratosphere.
Australian accent?! 🧐🤯
Clearly he decides to have a go at sounding like his clone brothers from TCW for a bit.
I have no objections to it.
I wonder if it’d be possible to word for word replace all of Christiansen’s dialogue with Lautner’s in RotS just using lines from TCW. There’s plenty of lines that get used as a call back (call forwards?) but I wonder if there’s enough to replace everything and in the correct tones for the scenes.
If you could reduce the blue from the HDR a smidgen, I think it’s the best looking one overall and fits RotS as a film.
The thing that most annoyed me about the reboot of the canon after the buyout was that the new system didn’t introduce more time between AotC and RotS and between TESB and RotJ but instead kept the bizarre compressed timeline.
In the regular cut, the voices are fine because The World Between Worlds has already been established but any pre-OT Jedi coming back as physical ghosts doesn’t fit with what we’ve seen (excluding Qui-Gon and possibly Ahsoka).
The four that we get are the main reflections of Palps, Yoda is his direct mirror, Obi-Wan is his opposite teacher of Anakin, Luke is his main OT drive in his desire to stamp out the Jedi, and Anakin is obvious.
Qui-Gon probably wouldn’t be able to pick Palps out of a line up of politicians, Ahsoka’s never had much to do with Palps beyond not particularly liking him, and Leia wasn’t his main political rival in the OT (that was Mon Mothma) and Leia may be Force sensitive but she made the deliberate decision to continue as a General and Politician rather than a Jedi so it doesn’t fit her arc.
I only just now realized that they changed Echo’s armor to match the rest of the Bad Batch instead of sticking to the white one he got in TCW season 7.
It’s hardly a new thing that exact timelines can be a bit confusing and/or inconsistent with SW, but some of the lines from the last episode (especially Echo’s line about the smell in their quarters suggesting that he’s been to Kamino with the Bad Batch at least once before), as well as how the Siege of Mandalore in the TCW season 7 finale is meant to connect to ROTS, makes me wonder just how much time is supposed to have transpired between the Bad Batch TCW arc and the Bad Batch series.
The first two arcs of TCWS7 were always supposed to kick off the series but the middle sections were filled by up to 10 arcs so there was probably at least a couple of months considering the conflicts that dominated were the Outer Rim ‘Sieges’ (i.e. events that take a while).
