AntcuFaalb

timdiggerm said:

AntcuFaalb said:

DominicCobb said:

But only ROTJ is really full of Jim Henson muppet monsters.

Mos Eisley Cantina :-)

Frankly, that's a little insulting to Henson.

Fixed.

DominicCobb said:

But only ROTJ is really full of Jim Henson muppet monsters.

Mos Eisley Cantina :-)

DominicCobb said:

I'm assuming ROTJ is your favorite then

Yes, it is.

DominicCobb said:

it's annoying to see it as an end to a saga that was once much more.

My opinion on this is rather unpopular, so I'd rather link you to it than derail this thread more than I already have: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ROTJ-is-the-best-Star-Wars-film-discuss/post/637326/#TopicPost637326

ray_afraid said:

An amazing saga coming to a close with a teddy bear picnic and a white gospel choir vocalizing about celebrating love is worse than bad!

Not everyone thinks Star Wars is an amazing saga...

Re-post from here: http://originaltrilogy.com/FORUM/topic.cfm/The-Unofficial-Complete-REVISITED-SAGA-Ideas-and-Random-Discussion-Thread/post/633173/#TopicPost633173

AntcuFaalb said:

This is why we view the films differently...

While I admit that Star Wars fits the literary archetype of the epic journey (a.k.a., the hero's journey), I fail to see its value as anything more than a three-part morality tale with great characters, creatures, and Jim Henson Muppet-monsters. What I'm trying to say is that I, personally, take more away from the Jabba the Hutt scenes at the beginning of ROTJ -- filled with the laughter of Salacious B. Crumb -- than I do from watching Darth Vader's internal struggle when deciding whether or not to save his son from the hands of the emperor.

Don't get me wrong: I certainly enjoy the more serious aspects of the films, but what I most look forward to is Lapti Nek in ROTJ, not the Battle of Hoth in TESB.

I understand how you view the films and see why Yub Nub doesn't meet your expectations. Considering my POV, do you see why it exceeds mine?

... thousand.

CP3S said:

Totally starting to get attached to this one girl.

The solution is, of course, to get attached to two.

Also, one thing to keep in mind guys is that I've only tried this with 2D comb filters: the Faroudja VP-100 and the Extron YCS-100.

I'm 99% certain it'll work with other equipment, such as 3D ones, but I can't be sure.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

I thought to do this: capture the test disc, then capture the LD; switch off everything, capture the test disc, check if the phase is inverted; if so, I continue and capture the LD, if not, I repeat until the phase is inverted. This is the best technique I have in mind... the only downside is I have no PAL test disc, so I can't apply this to PAL LDs... (**/)

This technique would probably work just fine. I haven't tried it yet, so I can't make any guarantees, of course.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Interesting... so, I pass the LD video out to a DVD recorder in, then DVD recorder out to the video capture card in, I have the first capture; then I switch off everything, do a second capture, average the two and obtain a chroma noise free result, right?

Correct, but only if the second capture has a 180° phase difference from the first. It sometimes takes several captures before you get one.

Also, it's binary. A capture either has a 180° phase difference from the previous one or it doesn't; there's no in-between. You'll never have a 57° phase difference, for instance.

It's always either 0° (no cancellation) or 180° (perfect cancellation).

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

How could I check the second capture has inverted phase? I mean, with a test disc it's quite obvious, but with real moving pictures?

The easiest way is to look to see if the chroma noise (rainbowing) has been canceled-out. If it's canceled-out in one place, then it's canceled-out everywhere else.

This is particularly easy with Star Wars since C-3PO and the spaceship models rainbow like crazy.

One last thing...

This trick wouldn't work with just a single analog->digital conversion in the chain; e.g., connecting the composite output of an LD player directly to a capture card.

You need an analog->digital->analog intermediate step before the capture card gets the signal to digitize.

Also, an easy way to get the device to invert the phase is to turn it off and then on again.

So, if you want to test this...

Do a capture, turn everything off, and then turn everything on again and do another capture.

If that doesn't do it, then turn everything off and try again.

Repeat until you get a capture with inverted phase. It sometimes requires several captures until you get two with a 180-degree phase difference.

drngr said:

Trying to do the same trick with an LD would be like averaging YCS-100 capture 1 with VP-100 capture 1; they won't cancel out.

As long as there's at least one analog->digital->analog conversion in the chain, then the phase-inversion trick is possible.

poita has tested this with many LD captures and has verified it to work.

The key thing to realize is that the video-DAC in the device determines the phase; not the source.

Extron YCS-100: composite=>([A->D]->[digital processing]->[D->A])=>s-video

CatBus said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Can someone upload this somewhere else please?

I'm getting terrible terrible speeds with MEGA.

Thanks!

You need to delete some PM's ;)

Thanks! I'm now down to 492/500.

Click here for a side-by-side comparison of the Extron YCS-100's 2D 5-line comb filter and the Faroudja VP-100's 2D 3-line comb filter.

Here's the 2D 5-line comb filter in the Extron YCS-100.

SilverWook said:

Congrats!

Thanks! I managed to get both for ~$17 each.

Now I need to write a TooT plugin for Avisynth. The existing one is buggy-as-hell. Thankfully, Avisynth supports writing plugins in C, as I'm not a C++ (the programming language that Avisynth and most of its plugins are written in) guy.

I just finished writing a C program for poita to average 10-bit Y'CbCr videos in the V210 codec, so I should have some time to devote to writing the new TooT plugin.

I'll get it up on the X0 Project's berliOS-hosted Subversion repo when it's done.

TV's Frink said:

I refuse to participate in this alternate-language-on-an-English-webzone stuff.

Where is Leonardo when we need him?!

I won the auction and almost had a heart attack in so doing. Ouch!

I clicked "Place Bid" at the 9s mark only to realize that I wasn't logged-in. I managed to login and confirm the bid in that amount of time. Fingers-of-fury FTW!

I also bought the copy on LDDb, so I will soon have 3 copies in my possession for a proper TooT.

Can someone upload this somewhere else please?

I'm getting terrible terrible speeds with MEGA.

Thanks!

SilverWook said:

Another one!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THX-1138-on-laserdisc-/181208371657?pt=US_Laserdisc&hash=item2a30dc51c9

I'll immediately purchase the one for sale on LDDb if I win this auction.

drngr said:

So, any checkerboarding on althor's full cap of SW JSC? I couldn't find any.

No, none!

Now we just need to figure out if the "AGC issue" is real or not.

michaelkirschner said:

Bingowings said:

This project has taken longer than anticipated but I don't think Ady is delayed by changes he doesn't make.

People posting thoughts, ideas, commentaries, criticism etc only delay the project if they make sense to Ady and he has to redo his work to match the ideas he is convinced by.

I can't imagine that happening too often as he started this project with many ideas of his own which he has probably stuck to.

For someone who does not follow this thread as religiously as you guys do what date are we expecting for the release of Empire?

Tomorrow!

poita said:

Don't need a 10bit display, that is what a LUT is for.

Good point. He knows much more about color-grading than I do, so I'll ask him if he has any experience working with >8bpp.

... which I should have done in the first place!

poita said:

I don't know any colour grading software that doesn't work in at least 16bit, what software is he using?

It would be You_Too, so it's custom curves files made in The GIMP. It's not a software issue.

I don't think he has any 10-bit-capable displays.

poita said:

Or at least decide on the gamma curve and apply that before dropping to 8bpp.

Yes, let's do that, if you don't mind. Also, can you look into dithering so that we can lessen the visibility of any banding?

Hook (1991) is a good movie. I don't care what the critics say.