AntcuFaalb

TV's Frink said:

skywalker89 said:

TV's Frink said:

My Dad made me do it.  I don't even like Star Wars, except for Jabba and that Binks guy.

So why told you about it to me, like it was something digital for me?

I said I can do digital if my Dad lets me use the computer.

Digital Diorama FTW

ziggyonice said:

So should I take this mean that this topic is dead then? Finding a way to clean up the deleted scenes are off the table?

It's postponed, unfortunately.

I've too much going on and I no longer have a copy of the deleted scenes to work with.

JEDIT: The good news is that I now have a dedicated computer for our favorite cleaning program. I'd be willing to restore a few deleted scenes for someone once it's setup, but he/she would have to send me the files.

bkev said:

As you can tell OCP is no longer here.

Why was OCP banned?

Brooks said:

Papercut said:

I can confirm there were SE VCDs produced in Asia. I owned a set that unfortunately has been lost in the sands of time...

 

I remember seeing them on ebay around 2000/2001 or so and thinking whhaaaaa?? It would be an interesting thing to add to the old collection. Around that time I actually made some vcds of video I captured before dvd burners were affordable.  As I recall they were mpeg1 and supposed to be around the same resolution as vhs but I remember thinking they didn't look very good.

VCD is, hands-down, the worst home video format ever.

Even CED is preferable to VCD.

Yuck, yuck, yuck.

FWIW, I'm working with poita on enough right now for this thread to no longer matter.

I'll drop-in when I'm feeling desperate again in the future.

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Maybe.

TV's Frink said:

I want to help!  What can I do first?

I can't tell if you're serious, Dr. Frank. o.O

penguinofgreatness said:

Ah well. Still, it was a really cool idea.

Thanks!

Chewtobacca said:

AnctuFaalb, how exactly did you determine that the DVNR affected only the chroma?

I'm sorry for the extremely late reply.

It's the other way around. The DVNR-1000 only affects the luma in the GOUT.

I discovered that when I did a gout.MergeLuma(gout.BlankClip()) in Avisynth and looked at the infamous speeder shot. Try it out!

I've received the two LDs. I haven't yet opened them up. I plan to take a look tomorrow evening.

yoda-sama said:

Flying in the face of what I just said, Boba Fett was an SE addition to that scene, right?

 Yes

CP3S said:

AntcuFaalb said:

CP3S=Closet Pimp 3S(Smack 'em; Spank 'em; Squirt on 'em)

Dammit! I'll never be able to look at my screen name the same way again...

I'm glad. :-D

Anchorhead said:

For a few of the stories in that book, that brief moment where they are in the cantina could be really interesting to see.

Agreed.

CP3S said:

Over the last couple of years I've discovered I'm really good at casual relationships, I can juggle several at once, hold their interest for pretty much as long as I want most of the time, and (usually) gracefully drop the ones that grow stale or uninteresting.

Well, guys, here it is.

CP3S is pimpin' it up. He's mackin' it to the ladies and droppin' 'em hoes when they stop puttin' out. Ya heard?

Word. what.

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CP3S=Closet Pimp 3S(Smack 'em; Spank 'em; Squirt on 'em)

timdiggerm said:

AntcuFaalb said:

skywalker89 said:

Why not creating a Bonus-Disc with deleted scenes, like there is mostly one to every movie?

Here's an idea: Do it yourself and then you can share it with us.

The best reply ever? Possibly!

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

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Frink, too.

xhonzi said:

Ah, a Tales of the Mos Eisley Cantina sort of job?

That'd be cool.

I'd also like an entire 3-hour-long movie devoted to IG-88.

:-D

Joel said:

Fair point, when the O-neg is damaged and they have to go back and look at original elements, that particular O-Neg does have to be reassembled. 

I took your question re: O-Neg not having SPFX as a general attribute of original negatives.   

Ah, I understand. That's my fault. I should have written more clearly.

For the record: I meant Star Wars, specifically.

OK, so maybe not none, but certainly some original shots are missing from the O-.

At this point the O- is so fucked up that I think using it for a restoration of the OOT would possibly lead to errors, such as leaving in the new wipes done for the 97SE by Pacific Titles.

Joel said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Doesn't the O- have none of the SPFX?

No - you might be thinking of workprints?

http://www.theasc.com/magazine/starwars/articles/sped/ssws/pg1.htm said:

Fortunately, Fox's head of postproduction, Ted Gagliano, made the restoration of Star Wars a personal labor of love, working closely with YCM Labs, Pacific Title, Lucasfilm editorial, ILM and Skywalker Sound. Had the negative been constructed more conventionally, the first order of business would have been to wash it in a sulfur bath a 104F, then wipe it down by hand. But those four different film stocks couldn't be washed together; instead, they had to be separated and washed in batches. That meant dissecting the original Star Wars negative, washing it, and then reassembling it. "That made everybody suck in their breath, " Kennedy says, recalling the stressfull situation. "Thankfully, Robert Hart, the neg cutter on the second and third films, came in to put the negative back together. After doing various tests, we found out right away that nothing beats scanning original negative. Star Wars was an A-B neg cut, which meant that they could actually lift and slug original negative and send it back to ILM whenever we were enhancing a live-action shot. I think this is the first time someone has tried to bring a Seventies effects film back to the big screen."

Sadly, after 17 years, the CRI material had lost so much dye that every shot realized on that reversal stock had to be removed and recomposited from scratch in order to bring Star Wars back to its original glory. Soon, Kennedy had Star Wars Special Edition film editor Tom Christopher (at Skywalker Ranch) and visual effects editor Dave Tanaka (at ILM) searching to come up with the original effects elements so that these shots, as well as other less-than-perfect opticals, could be recomposited digitally.

Spaced Ranger said:

althor1138 said:

Here is a clip of my Diamond Theater750HD PCI-E card. This is the composite output from my pioneer dv-360 to the Theater750HD.

AntcuFaalb said:

I guess the only thing left is to see if it exhibits the same AGC issues as the USB one. If it doesn't, then this is definitely the best capture card on the market.

althor1138 said:

Here is the "Pluge Pulse" test with a comparison of the digital file on the right.
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So what was the verdict on the pluge test?  Has anybody checked it out yet?

Any conclusion on this? I so would like to get the best capture card on the market for this kind of work.  ;)

Unfortunately, no. I'm waiting on the results of poita's experimentation to make a final determination.

Joel said:

The O-Neg is the intended finished product, not an unfinished product waiting to be somehow "corrected" by generational loss.

Doesn't the O- have none of the SPFX?

Furthermore, directors work under the assumption that some things will be hidden due to generational loss, so I'd hardly call the O- the "intended" finished product.

To make an analogy, HD audio restorations often don't go all the way back to original multi-track master tapes because that would require remixing rather than remastering, which can fundamentally change the music (e.g., the 40th Anniversary Edition of Jethro Tull's Aqualung).

If the SPFX isn't on the O-, then cobbling together a restoration from the O- and various intermediate print sources containing the SPFX would be similar to going back to the original multi-track master tapes for an HD audio restoration, which is a big no-no.

skywalker89 said:

Why not creating a Bonus-Disc with deleted scenes, like there is mostly one to every movie?

Here's an idea: Do it yourself and then you can share it with us.

msycamore said:

Do you really want a film look like a 4k scan from the original negative, when nothing close to that was ever seen in theaters? The generational losses that occur in the stages from original camera negative to release prints works miracles for sets, costumes, models and special effects. I fail to understand why anyone would like to see these films straight of the negatives when they were never made to be seen that way, that's making the films a huge disservice. You would see mattepaintings, make-up and effects work for what they really are instead of blending in nicely with the rest of the footage.

Agreed. This is why I think that the best source for a restoration of the OOT would be IP prints.

I love this forum!

This is the only place in which people would discuss Luke's pores, Obi-wan's beard, and the snowflake on Chewbacca's foot seriously.

^_^

... well, maybe not that last one.

TV's Frink said:

bkev said:

Man I hope Moth3r doesn't get too pissed off...

AS THE DEATH STAR TURNS!!!

lol

Meh, IDK. You've lost me, guys.

I somewhat understand your desire to transform the Star Wars trilogy into the serious dramatic masterpiece that it currently isn't, but is there no room for a feel-good scene? Is it so bad to end the trilogy on a positive note?

Having Anakin's ghost appear is very very different from the SesameStreet-esque reductio ad absurdum ending described above.

How would you prefer to be at the end of the trilogy? In awe? In shock? In tears?