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schorman13 said:

Well, while I wait for myspleen to come back, I thought I would post the pdf I made as a guide for Version 2.0.  

Enjoy!

here

Wow, this is excellent! I really enjoyed looking through it and I think it'll serve its purpose rather well.

I know I've said it before, but I'll say it again: This project is an amazing accomplishment. Thank you for all of your hard work.

Chriz said:

Can anyone tell me how to get the updated/best quality version

Grab the Gormaanda Hybrid Edition from MySpleen.

schorman13: Have you considered uploading it to Usenet (a.b.sw)?

I'm still so excited for this! Thanks for all of your hard work. Your contributions to this community have been invaluable.

Spaced Ranger said:

I'm guessing things must be busy, but any progress on the laserdisc capture/assembly (or is it "stand by scope one")?

Good! I finally have a working Usenet upload workflow on my Mac OS X box (7z, par2, and sanguinews), so I plan to upload the raw soon.

The MatchGrade operation in [an excellent program] is able to calibrate the color bars I captured from GGV1069 with the Runco LJR-II perfectly. I plan to have it write out an LUT that I can then use to calibrate all of my captures. I'll upload this LUT alongside the raw when I post to a.b.sw.

I've had the temporal alignment done for a while now. I want to stick in 10-bit, so I'm going to have to find some way to accomplish that transformation using 10-bit-friendly software. That's what I'm working on now.

Tobar said:

Well this is awesome. I hope one of us gets it!

Whoa! Too cool!

knreuben said:

I agree that some changes made by George weren't for the better but he just wanted to make it look as similar as the prequels.

1. The Special Editions came out before the prequels (1997 vs 1999, respectively).

2. It's not about "better" or "worse". It's about preserving film history. The Special Editions didn't win all of those Academy Awards way back when; the originals did.

Would you be OK with Leonardo da Vinci suddenly coming back to life and painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa? Most people wouldn't, especially if the original were destroyed in consequence.

Art has value in its original form.

TV's Frink said:

Respect and understand are two different things. ;-)

Indeed. I understand him a bit because I prefer to watch the OOT in P&S. :-X

JEDIT: Last post JEDITd. I'm JEDITing away today!

knreuben said:

AntcuFaalb said:

knreuben said:

Guys why do you prefer the Original Version when the Special Editions have improved CGIs?

Is this a joke?

 I'm just 15, I grew up with the special edition and the prequels. :)

We have a few 97SE and PT fans here and I can totally respect your preference.

With that being said, you must understand that many (most, perhaps) fans here consider the Special Editions to be garbage for one reason or another.

We probably wouldn't care about the SEs if the original-originals were given the same treatment and respect by LFL, but they weren't.

My opinion: "Improved CGIs" don't belong in a film released in 1977.

knreuben said:

Guys why do you prefer the Original Version when the Special Editions have improved CGIs?

Is this a joke?

althor1138 said:

I'm scared to ask.  How big will this be in it's entirety?

The last was ~6GiB. We can probably come up with an estimate by working from that value. :-)

schorman13 said:

Ok, I finished the 5.1 track for the Theatrical TPM.  It's synchronized with the DVD at each of the side changes.  In total only about 1.4 seconds of audio (44 ac3 frames) has been patched in from the theatrical DTS mixes.  The entire rest of the track is untouched ac3 direct from the LD's.  It's perfectly seemless and you'd never recognize the transitions.

I will be getting the files organized and sorted this weekend and ready to post this week!

Yay! Thanks!!!

dclarkg said:

Yeah, I guess there is no real order to watch them without spoil something

Yes, there is: 4,5,6 done

Has anyone been keeping an archive of THX 1138 images, posters, etc.?

CatBus said:

Pretty damned excited about this.

Same here!

Yay! This is fantastic news!!!

schorman13 said:

Wow, never realized that this file went missing, I'll reupload later. 

Sorry, I've been away from the forum for a while ;)

Thanks! Welcome back!

CatBus said:

I need a few drinks in me before I'm willing to do the Full Harmy.

lol!

Wazzles said:

Some of the DNR trails can be eliminated, as Harmy shows in his DED, where you use the background as a custom matte and just have the object move over top that. I'm surprised no one has done this with just the GOUT already. Granted, that only fixes a few shots, but it would look over all better.

One might as well go full-Harmy at that point.

HTML of the post in question: http://pastebin.com/MiiZzGwF

Thanks for the screenshots, althor1138. Does this appear elsewhere in the film; e.g., other shots that would necessitate the use of an optical printer?

althor1138 said:

It is not present in the DC.  I can't say for sure about the faces.  I only own esb(faces).

Can you post a screenshot? It might just be MPEG-2 compression badly interacting with the noise in the D-1 master.

althor1138 said:

Can anybody explain the crazy amount of grain present in the tantive hallway shootout scenes on the gout?  It's not present on any other release afaik.

Is this also in DefCol/Faces? I'm not home, so I can't check.

CatBus said:

It's not really that Laserdisc is so awesome, so much as that Laserdisc was awesome for its time, and some DVDs are so bad that the Laserdiscs can still compare quite favorably to them.

Well said.

Wazzles said:

So I'm just curious, is it really worth it to pay $5k for a Laserdisc player? How much more quality could you possibly pull out of a Laserdisc? Isn't it still going to top out at lower quality than DVD? I mean, Laserdisc is awesome, but not THAT awesome.

The best you can get with an excellent LD player and a well-mastered LD is PQ roughly equivalent to a 90s non-anamorphic DVD.

I'm not unrealistic and I wouldn't pay $5K for an LD player, but everyone has different priorities. If one has 10,000 LDs, for instance, then I can totally see the logic in purchasing an X0 to play them.

deepanddark20 said:

I thought the idea behind their project was that the GOUT, even for all its flaws, is the best version of the unaltered trilogy that has thus far been officially released, but some comments made in this discussion are making me think otherwise

Here's the thing: If you consider MPEG-2 artifacts and halved chroma resolution to be negligible*, then the GOUT is demonstrably better than the DefCol/Faces LDs since it was derived from the D-1 master used to create said LDs.

With that being said, the crux of this debate is the DVNR. Many—myself included—consider the JSC to look better than the DefCol/Faces/GOUT since it resolves a hell of a lot better in motion, doesn't have DVNR artifacts (e.g. four-eyed stormtroopers), and has much better colors overall.

On the flip-side, the JSC shows much more dirt and film damage, has wonky breaks in 3:2-pulldown cadence, and doesn't resolve as well as the DefCol/Faces/GOUT in still and low motion shots. Plus, you need good equipment to get good results.

This whole thing reduces to "pick your poison" and many choose to take the Harmy antidote instead. That's cool.

(* MPEG-2 YV12 simply isn't enough given the source.)