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#603189
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Info: laserdisc captures - of resolution, resize and cleaning...
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I hope my cropping&resizing information helped, Andrea!

Darth Editous has confirmed that my calculations were correct using a different method, so I hope you'll trust what I've posted.

The hardest part of all of this is IVTC'ing. Automated methods really don't cut it, especially if you plan to sync to GOUT. Darth Mallwalker is the IVTC master around here, so I think he'd be more qualified to help out with this particular aspect of your preservation(s). I don't know if he'd want to, so it'd be better to ask him.

Antcu, can I count on your help if (when) needed, for what concerns AviSynth and/or VirtualDub scripts and settings?

Yes :-) My real name is Anthony, BTW.

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#603174
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Info: laserdisc captures - of resolution, resize and cleaning...
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Darth Editous said:

 

(due to overscan, I presume).


It's not overscan, but nominal analogue blanking. When calculating PARs and DARs, only the central 704 pixels (702 for PAL) should be taken into account.

It's simpler to ignore width completely when trying to work these things out. To go from PAL non-anamorphic to NTSC anamorphic just multiply the height by the NTSC/PAL ratio (480/576) and then by the anamorphic ratio (4/3).

326*(480/576)*(4/3)=~362.

DE

 

Yay! We got the same answer using two different methods.

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#603167
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Info Wanted: Best "official" color source?
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frank678 said:

Apologies these are from a ex rental vhs video of one of the first u.k. pal issues of the film. It was extremely snowy and tiny part of inside of the tape had snapped off. I managed to capture a few minutes during a test run of my extremely low grade capture device with the default medium settings before the tape killed the vcr heads (crudded them up). The capture came out pinker than it looked on the tv screen. Long story to make the point this doesnt do the tape justice. BUT you can still see there was more colour there circa the early 80s as compared to GOUT master. I reposted because I realized I had the hue shifter on VLC so I wasnt representing how it looks properly, but either way you can see its marginally more colourful than GOUT.  

I definitely agree and thank you again for posting these. No apologies needed!

I was just interested in that lefthand curve because it mesmerizes me. The one in PS78 pissed me off, but I haven't seen it anywhere else... until now!

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#603162
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Info: laserdisc captures - of resolution, resize and cleaning...
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Resizing to 768x576 is done as a way for you to get the true aspect ratio of what you're capturing. It's not the final size.

Typically, after following my instructions above, you're left with a 768x576 frame with a square PAR. You then crop out the black borders and, assuming all went well, you're left with the proper display aspect ratio (DAR). You use this DAR to make sure that your final size accurately reflects the proportions what you captured.

Example: Transforming PAL GOUT to an Anamorphic NTSC DVD:

1. Crop 8 pixels from the left and right, leaving you with 704x576.

2. Resize to 768x576 for a square PAR.

3. Crop 124 pixels from the top and 126 pixels from the bottom to get rid of the black borders. This leaves you with 768x326.

4. Notice that 768/326 = ~2.35. This is the DAR that we want to maintain.

5. NTSC DVD is 720x480, but when anamorphically stretched on a widescreen TV, the size is ~854x480 (16:9), so we need to solve for X in the following equation: 854/X = ~2.35 (our DAR). The answer is 362. (Please use a calculator for this and don't round!)

6. We can now use 720x362 as our final image size. When anamorphically stretched on a widescreen TV, this will result in 854x362 which is close to our DAR (2.359 vs. 2.355).

7. Now we add in black borders (59 on the top and bottom) to get the height to be 480.

Notice that most of these steps are used to determine the correct final size. You don't (and shouldn't) put them all separately in the script. For this particular example, all you need to do is the following:

gout.Spline36Resize(720, 362, 8, 124, 704, 326).AddBorders(0, 59, 0, 59)

This will look vertically stretched on your 4:3 TV, but will look 100% correct on your 16:9 TV.

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#603053
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Info: laserdisc captures - of resolution, resize and cleaning...
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:


What it MUST be used is a script which takes comparison of different captures, and clean drop outs and other glitches like that. Maybe median could be good, but I used TOOT and the results seemed better to me. Any other good method?

I prefer the following approach:


function MedianOfThree(clip c, clip l, clip r)
{
return Interleave(l, c, r).Clense(reduceflicker=true).SelectEvery(3, 1)
}

However, you have to make sure that the three captures are 100% lined-up spatially and temporally.

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#603049
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Info: laserdisc captures - of resolution, resize and cleaning...
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I believe that the procedure is the following:

1. Capture at 720x576.
2. Crop 8 pixels from each side to account for overscan, leaving you with 704x576.
3. Use PAL's 12:11 PAR to get square pixels, so (704 * 12)/11 = 768, leaving you with 768x576.

It's preferable to crop and resize in one invocation so as to not cause sampling issues. The following would do the trick:

capture.Spline36Resize(768, 576, 8, 0, 704, 576)

Edit: Make sure to not do any more horizontal cropping after this!

Edit 2: Also, if you're interested in cropping out the black borders on the top and bottom, please let me know so that I can modify the above code.

Edit 3: Do you want me to give an example using PAL GOUT? I can include information on how to make it anamorphic widescreen as well.

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#603021
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How many People have signed the petition and should we post the petition on Social Media sites(Twitter,Google+, etc)?
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pat man said:


Now it's just in the off topic section of OT.com if people keep messing with me/my stuf I my never support the OT or the petition ever.  

Moth3r's not messing with you. He's the moderator of OT.

In fact, he helped you by deleting the pat man 3 account.

Also, this thread was never in two places at once. You may have thought so because you haven't recently cleared your cache. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_cache if you don't know what it is.

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#602999
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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generalfrevious said:


There's finally something else for me to complain about in the film world. Pathe recently restored Children of Paradise, and then they botched the transfer badly onto Blu-ray. The video quality is getting some mixed to negative reviews, and it will never be fixed. This film is considered one of the cultural landmarks of French cinema, and the transfer onto Blu-ray is simply a disappointment. It treason against the French people IMO. Criterion had no choice but to use the transfer, and it will never be recalled and redone. I feel empty inside and borderline depressed because of this, and I want the people at Pathe to suffer horribly for making me miserable for the rest of my life. I will never be whole ever again.

Why will it never be fixed or redone?