AntcuFaalb

Coov said:

I edited above...

"We HAD the best system our forefathers created, not perfect mind you... That was a time where prosperity was earned and the government was used to work for the people, not the other way around."

Yes, but this isn't a chart. I'm asking for an objective measurement (or set of measurements) that demonstrates the US as "the best" at one point in time.

There are plenty of charts demonstrating that the US is not "the best" today.

Choose any metrics you'd like, but be sure to have the data to backup your claim.

Coov said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Coov said:

Yes, obviously.  That is the conservative way.

Why don't you type a proper response instead of going the easy route? Did you even read what I wrote?

If you don't have a solution, then say so.

Edit: Shit, I'd even accept a hyperlink to a proposal.

Just giving a smart ass remark from your obvious attempts to belittle what I believe.  Don't worry, I would not expect much more from the likes.

You aren't making any sense. All I was and am asking for is for you to PROPOSE A SOLUTION TO WHAT YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT.

I ask again, without snark: What proposal do you have (or can link me to) that provides for those in need without helping "abusers of the system"?

Coov said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Coov said:

We used to be the best.

When?

The USA has ALWAYS been the best up until recently.  If you don't get that then there is no way you could possibly understand where I am coming from.

Objectively, how has it been the best?

Link me to some charts, for instance, demonstrating that the US had the lowest income inequality during X-Y years.

(This was only an example, so choose any metrics you'd like, but just make sure that they support the idea of the US being "the best".)

Coov said:

Yes, obviously.  That is the conservative way.

Why don't you type a proper response instead of going the easy route? Did you even read what I wrote?

If you don't have a solution, then say so.

Edit: Shit, I'd even accept a hyperlink to a proposal.

Coov said:

We used to be the best.

When?

Coov said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Coov said:

 

Who is going to pay for the handouts when the ones who work for a living are not there to take care of them?

Handouts for whom? Are you referring to state-provided assistance for the elderly and disabled?

You need to be more specific.

 

Elderly and disabled... yeah, those are the ones I am talking about, obviously.

I am referring to those who choose not to have to work for a living as the hard working Americans pay THEIR bills.  There are those who need government assistance, and those who take advantage and hold their hands out.

The liberal government WANTS people to rely on them.  That is where their power comes from. It went from "ask not what your country can do for you..." to quite the opposite.  

So what perfect system do you propose?

How do you intend to continue providing assistance to the elderly and disabled without also providing assistance to the abusers?

Should we just kick them all to the curb?

During the recent "The DB is FULL!" incident, I setup a temporary chat room to get my OT fix. I'm an addict. Most of us are.

We had ~10 members and the discussion was fun and lively, so let's keep it going!

Join us at: http://us5.chatzy.com/38620475411996

Make sure to click "Join Chat" at the bottom.

bigrob said:

 

I actually had this version as well with ads on VHS (with a bootleg of ROTJ afterwards on the same tape)

but it went to the dump years ago when i had to clear out my VHS collection

Unfortunately, this is probably the fate of most early recordings and bootlegs.

Also, can someone tell me if cutting taxes for big corporations will put us in the green everywhere on this chart?

Bingowings said:

Sadly that mentality is spreading over here.

If you pay taxes all your life and your situation changes and you draw on your national insurance it's called a 'hand-out' or 'welfare' now.

I suppose the poor created the financial crisis by making the banks feel uncomfortable about telling them they couldn't give them credit if they couldn't pay it back?

It's not just here. It's spreading all over the US.

The best countries are able to take care of those in need (INCLUDING the minority of those "abusing" the system) without complaining.

(Let me throw around a word that the right-wing uses quite often.) Anyone who disagrees with the previous statement is UNAMERICAN.

Double, triple, or even quadruple my taxes! I'll gladly pay for the USA to keep up with the other first-world countries that are leading the way.

Coov said:

 

Who is going to pay for the handouts when the ones who work for a living are not there to take care of them?

Handouts for whom? Are you referring to state-provided assistance for the elderly and disabled?

You need to be more specific.

Whoops... wrong thread.

How many petition votes do we have?

Asaki said:

captainsolo said:

Can't remember if it's been covered elsewhere, but were these ever confirmed to be smear-free as well?

That would be really weird if they weren't smear-free, since they're pre-THX and all...

The real question is if they're worth preserving, or if they're just the same transfer as the SWE and/or JSC. I think someone already said they were, but I can't really remember for certain.

I agree. I seriously doubt that there's any smear.

With that being said, I definitely think they're worth preserving, especially when you consider OTcom's interest in msycamore's Technidisc SWE ANH preservation...

Harmy: I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but do you have a list of changes (similar to Adywan's list) for DeEd v2.0?

RRS-1980 said:

Tuxsam said:

I'm sorry, it's not my blog or from anyone that I know.

My comment wasn't aimed at you. It was just a reminder to not to believe everything that's written on the Internet, because anyone can write on the Internet, and the subject is very hot at the moment. I too can create a blog and write "a source close to Lucas, yet asking to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, reports that RRS-1980 was contacted regarding planned yet-unnamed LucasArts space combat sim", and because last few words are a genuine rumor, it suddenly looks believable, yay!

 

Today's CGI can look fairly well (I'm not talking explosions, where I'd still use models) - it is the fault of poor art directing. Modern CGI can successfully fake CRT scanlines and analog computer displays of 1980s. It just takes knowledge, skill and dedication.

An excellent example is given here.

SpilkaBilka said:

AntcuFaalb said:

With that being said, I think Disney would lose a big demographic if they were to go this route: preteens and teens, as this is the group that gets off the most on big, intrusive, ugly CGI spectacles.

Yep.  No one is catering to us, that's for sure.

Which, objectively, doesn't make sense when you consider the amount of money we have and would dump into the franchise. The preteens and teens don't have the money... we do.

Also, does Hollywood use models and/or puppets in movies anymore?

Are there any movies still shot on real film?

SpilkaBilka said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Even if the new movies are objectively better than the OT, they will still lack that late 70s/early 80s aesthetic that so many of us love. :-(

It's a shame.  If I were in charge of the new Star Wars movies, one of my objectives would be to make them look like the old movies.  Make them look like they came from that era.  Like, literally, do everything possible to get the same "vibe" from IV.  The graininess, the colors, models and real sets, pacing.  Future generations would think VII-IX were made right after IV-VI.

I'm not sure if it's nostalgia (I didn't see SW til the late 80s), or that the late-70s look and "feel" just perfectly suits the movies.

I think it's mostly the latter. That is, the look-and-feel really does best suit the movies.

With that being said, I think Disney would lose a big demographic if they were to go this route: preteens and teens, as this is the group that gets off the most on big, intrusive, ugly CGI spectacles.

skyjedi2005 said:

Is there someone these days as good as Lawrence Kasdan in his prime when he wrote Empire and Raiders?

I want someone that good to write the new movies.  I want someone as good as Spielberg was on Raiders, Lucas on Star Wars 1977, or Kershner on Empire to direct it.

Also why settle for matching the oot for greatness when you could top it, the prequels made us lower our expectations to the point where a Sub Return of the Jedi effort would be acceptable.

The Kind of money they have and the technologies that now exist should mean they could make the best star wars movies ever possible.

But probably won't happen.

Even if the new movies are objectively better than the OT, they will still lack that late 70s/early 80s aesthetic that so many of us love. :-(

msycamore said:

danny_boy said:

I recorded this broadcast myself in the summer of 83' and again in christmas 1984 on my then trusty V2000

Interesting, so this telecine was at least broadcasted three times, does your recordings contain the credits? if so, which ones: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Credits-Leaders-Thread/topic/12960/

I think your recordings would be a great asset to this project: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/1983-UK-TVS-Star-Wars-premiere-anybody-still-have-a-recording/topic/14122/

 

median-of-three!

I haven't received an invite either and I was a member of the previous blog (a late one, but a member nonetheless). I did send you my e-mail address, -1, but you gave me my login info via PM.

I'm looking forward to getting in!

DarthBeer: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/user-profile.cfm/DarthBeer/user/11275/

msycamore said:

AntcuFaalb said:

If you're not a purist (and there's no reason to be when you consider the constant pre-97 tinkering), then check out Harmy's work.

What was done pre-97 is very far from constant tinkering though, a revised opening crawl/shot for the '81 re-release, that's it. The few print variations seen and mostly heard in cinemas back in '77 is hardly anything unique to Star Wars, different and alternative audio mixes prepared for different formats and theaters was very common back then. An additional audio re-mix was of course done for the '93 home video release but that has pretty much become the standard nowadays whenever a new video release is made.

Fixed!

Suggestion: For now, watch GOUT (on a CRT TV, if you can).

In the future, download this release and, if that's not available, download this one (BluV2) instead. The former is obviously orders of magnitude better than the latter (due to nature of their respective sources), but it will take much longer to complete.

If you're not a purist (and there's no reason to be when you consider the constant pre-97 tinkering), then check out Harmy's work.

Edit: Also, check out Adywan's work if you want to see Special Editions done right.