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- KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut]
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Yes, PM’s sent. Sorry for delay. I’m on holiday.
Btw, when I get back home, I’ll render a “Original Structure” Cut without the alternate escape. Some love it, some hate it - so damn it - I’ll have two available.
I’m on holiday, so I’ve not got much time on my hands to respond to reviews either here or in PM’s, but I’m happy to hear a lot of you like the edit. 😃
For those that have mixed feelings or dislike major beats, then this edit simply isn’t for you - and that is fine.
I am very much satisfied and fulfilled with this version, and this is the Kenobi edit for me. If I do a V3 it will be small, minor tweaks that can improve either tone, pacing or inconsistencies. Nothing structure-wise.
Have a great summer, and may the force be with you! 😃 ❤️
Oh, and @tangelo1023, thank you for your review, but I fundamentally disagree with almost everything you point out (except that you were confused about the comm with Haja, I’ll clean that up some more next time)- and that is fine. This edit is just not your cup of tea, and I hope someone else’s is. Thank you for watching it and taking the time, and although we have different views on the editing philosophy and perhaps even tone for a Kenobi film, we sure do share the same passion.
Have a great day, friend, and thank you for your honesty. ❤️
Also, would definitely re-score the Flashback with AOTC music - preferably the Padme’s Apartment soundtracks, but mixed to fit with Anakin’s emotions (like his Mother Theme).
#Jedit:
One could even incorporate a sort of opening montage, with the focus on Jedi Training, were one could incorporate the Reeva Order 66 opening and cut it before the Clones enter -> Do some exterior shots mixed with the Anakin&Obi-Wan training spliced up (turn some of them into night time to accompany Reeva Order 66 scene) -> and make the AOTC opening be like a “A Day in a Jedi’s life” type of opening. This is just ramblings, but it could work with the right amount of footage, music and tone set.
I personally think the definitive best way to pace it would be:
-> Original opening with Padme assassination attempt
-> Deleted Scene of Padme at the Senate Hearing (it’s a good scene on its own, and it will help calm down the intense opening for a smoother transition
-> New establishing shot (fanmade -> Coruscant Exterior, a Jedi-worthy, subtle soundtrack
-> AOTC Flashback incorporation (color graded, Anakin’s voice pitched down, deepfake incorporated)
-> Chancellor Palpatine’s Office, Padme and Mace Windu talks -> suggestion of Obi-Wan and Anakin to assist
-> Anakin & Obi-Wan in elevator
This introduces all main and side characters (except Dooku) in the opening ten minutes, would provide smooth transitions between the hard opening, but most importantly; a time span of what could be a full day before we see Anakin & Obi-Wan again after their Flashback scene, so for the audience to disregard the subtle changes in actor’s age and differences between the two very different shooting schedules.
My two cents.
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Anjohan, I noticed that during the new rescue, the color of Leia’s coat changes in a few shots to the former green, instead of staying brown. I think that you probably noticed it but let this pass by, since it’s just a few glimpses, but I’m just saying in case you haven’t seen this detail.
(By the way, thank you for uploading V2 😉)
Yes and no. The shots you refer to are far from pov and Leia is standing near the green-tinted windows with the reflection from the water outside, so I let it pass as reflection. Hehe!
V2.5 (bugfix; render issue) and removed music on first Alderaan scene done, rendered and uploaded. Enjoy.
No, I haven’t seen PixelJoker’s things, I’ll take a further look when my vacation is over. ❤️ Good summer, friends.
V2 is good and fine, but it was reported there’s a slight brightness-like render bug in the conversation with Haja and Obi-Wan. I’ll do a re-render tonight and upload and replace, so that whenever you want to watch the edit again you can have the bugfree version.
Thank you for all your positive feedback, and I’m soon done with the Credits.txt file (im at page 15 of this thread). Hopefully upload soon.
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When Vader walks through the hallway it plays the imperial march, and when he then force grabs the spaceship its very suddenly duel of the fates. Could you replace the march with a subtle foreplay to duel of the fates?
Great work Anjohan! I love it!
That’s not in the Edit, only in previews.
Thank you for the very, very kind Words, Darthycey.
I have, and will not see, the Tiktok Edit myself.
Quick note - There’s a weird faint overlay during a few seconds of the conversation with the fake Jedi. Not sure why.
Cheers. I’ll look into it when i Get back home. 99% sure it’s a render issue, so will have to re-render. Enjoy the the edit further in the meantime. ❤️
Yes, for V2 it is cut. The film’s structure lose momentum with it and suffer from it.
Did you see my comment Anjohan about how you can see Tala on the elevator?
Yes, I suppose you mean in the corridor as Obi-Wan escape the water, right? If so, there’s not much I can do. I mean, you can’t see it’s Tala for 1, and 2) It’s a huge blink and you miss it moment since the screen is filled with water splashes, shaky cam and fast movement.
I can try to mask her out, but the problem is the insane amount of water in the footage. I’ll see what I can do. It’s luckily nothing that break immersion and I don’t think anyone has spotted her except you (bastard!), but once you see it it can’t be unseen. I’ll see what I can do.
I was thinking you could grab the elevator doors have them close quicker.
I really don’t know which scene you are referring to. Could you give me a timestamp or explain further?
I just deleted v1 knowing v2 was coming. It’s the 2 seconds of take on the right side as Obiwan is running in the elevator and the elevator door is closing while the the water is coming. I was just wondering if the best way to rather than mask out, to mask new sliding elevator doors that cover Tala.
Due to the water it won’t give rewarding results, as I would literally have to create a new fluid simulation on top of that - or to mask the commander/Tala with it. I don’t think the footage has to be edited further, as it’s a blink and you miss it moment and it’s heavily pixelated.
Very, very soon. The last two renders crashed for some weird reason, so I’ll have to try again tonight.
Did you see my comment Anjohan about how you can see Tala on the elevator?
Yes, I suppose you mean in the corridor as Obi-Wan escape the water, right? If so, there’s not much I can do. I mean, you can’t see it’s Tala for 1, and 2) It’s a huge blink and you miss it moment since the screen is filled with water splashes, shaky cam and fast movement.
I can try to mask her out, but the problem is the insane amount of water in the footage. I’ll see what I can do. It’s luckily nothing that break immersion and I don’t think anyone has spotted her except you (bastard!), but once you see it it can’t be unseen. I’ll see what I can do.
I was thinking you could grab the elevator doors have them close quicker.
I really don’t know which scene you are referring to. Could you give me a timestamp or explain further?
I think I might, for a potential V3 (or just a more radical edit) turn the ending into Vader smashing the ground and Obi-Wan falling in. However, this will require a lot of effects work, and I’m exhausted from that for now. FOR THIS edit and its purposes, the current ending works.
We don’t have the resolution line “Then my friend is truly dead”. He sees him, gets emotional, realize he can’t kill him - and doesn’t give him fully up. He then leaves.
Did you see my comment Anjohan about how you can see Tala on the elevator?
Yes, I suppose you mean in the corridor as Obi-Wan escape the water, right? If so, there’s not much I can do. I mean, you can’t see it’s Tala for 1, and 2) It’s a huge blink and you miss it moment since the screen is filled with water splashes, shaky cam and fast movement.
I can try to mask her out, but the problem is the insane amount of water in the footage. I’ll see what I can do. It’s luckily nothing that break immersion and I don’t think anyone has spotted her except you (bastard!), but once you see it it can’t be unseen. I’ll see what I can do.
Looking forward to the new version.
Are you going to use the newest deepfake from Darth P for the flashback or keep your current version?
Don’t know who he is or what he’s done, but the one I’m using is more than good enough imo. ❤️
Hey Anjohan! I watched the V1, great stuff, now we have the Kenobi we deserved. The one that was hidden in the series, as you pointed out from the very beginning, even before the series was half way through. Glad to read that V2 is on the works now, I think the changes you pointed out can help improve the film and the parts you have chosen not to change are the parts I wouldn’t change either for the V2, they work as they are.
About the Haja and Obi-Wan conversation before The Alternate Rescue, I agree with Glogus that the “making amends” should come back, as it explains why Haja accepts to help (It might be too on the nose for some, but to me, it helps clarify he is not a bad guy, just has been derailed from the good path a bit in this hard times, but has a good hart), but I think the scene works as it is, except I would mute or delete one of Obi wan sentences on it. With Kenobi’s determined “and you are going to help me” we don’t need the doubtful “will you help me?” that comes later. I think going from “and you will help me” to Haja’s acceptance/resignation gesture should be enough. A jedi is telling you to give help and you will. Then Haja can “make amends” to keep him there the rest of the film.
Another scene that might (might not) work better is, when Obi and Leia argue in the ship escaping the destructor (I wish there was a way of explaining why they don’t send the Thai fighters immediately or why they don’t obliterate the ship entirely, or at least a way to make the entire sequence 30 seconds long, to avoid the other 2 options). So having Obi wan argue with Leia, then fixing things with her, then talking to an adult (Haja) about making certain she gets home then leaving ship maybe flows better than: argue- Haja talk -fix things with Leia -leave, as it is now.
All in all, love this edit already as is, this is going to be my go-to (or the V2) when I want to revisit Kenobi (which I now want to do, not as with the series).
I think your job and nightmares sequence works really well and does the job way better than the series cut, and the alternative rescue as you call it would feel natural to a newcomer. Your point for Obi not using the force there is solid to me.Many thanks to Andreas and every one participating in this.
PD: I know this was out the minute I first watched it, but thanks for cutting out the dumbest backflip ever recorded in the history of TV
Thank you so much for your kind words. I’m thrilled you liked it. ❤️
(Not going to render just yet - waiting to see if there’s something I’ve forgotten)
@Vranir: I’ll probably have it ready till tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, so shouldn’t be too long a wait. It’s literally just “cut and trim” alterations to be made - which is a delightful change. The major work is all done in V1.
@DZ-330: I actually like the little underline to the left from the original. I think it’s nice symmetry, hehe.
I’ll keep the “A Star Wars Story” because I think it’s beautiful and it fits, but I’ll make the “Kenobi” more the focus point. Good idea.