RoccondilRinon said:
We can't see that without logging in. Any chance you could post it elsewhere?
I think its edited...
Loconut and Coconut...what is it with nuts?
-Angel
Angel: I get that you dislike the idea of static.
With regards to the water on Coruscant then no that wouldnt be static (though to be honest in that brief clip a still water surface wouldn't really show much movement).
I dont dislike i will wait for some samples im just trying to see your concepts there :)
Trust me it will have several shit that you have to consider. reflections and reflecting objects/lights will be a task considering the tracking in the 3d space.
Speaking of which, The tie fighters look uber bad composited. Your CC brought up the problem more clear. will you fix it?
What editing/FX program are you using?
-Angel
A B C said:
It was a general statement, not personaly orientated. Nothing bad. The other thing it means is that I see the SE "Ommmhh" like an improvement (for once!).
Aaaarrhh expresses something that hurts. The "ooommmhhh" is more contained and expresses better an effort - the one he makes to collect his force when he takes the foot stroke. It also *imho* fits totally to a character who's such as he won't allow himself to show any weakness going through.
... You have the "Aaaaarrrhh" after, on the core bridge, when he takes the lighsaber stroke on his shoulder. There, it really hurts!
What he said! I couldnt say it better
-Angel
A B C said:
Not only the "ommhhh" from the special edition sounds like Vader through his mask, but in addition you really recognize James Earl Jones voice what is not the case of the old one.
I agree. The SE sounds more like vader rather a random arg from a dude. Besides the pre SE sounds like someones is spiting after he was smoking for 30 years.
If you all stacked with the pre SE arg i suggest adding a more robot effect to the voice like ady did in ANH:R? I still vote for the SE one
-Angel
ady are aware of this? http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/cameratracker/
It might solve some tracking problems you have :)
-Angel
Johannus said:
Coruscant is one big city in the prequels, but as this is an edit to make RotJ more in line with Episodes 4 and 5, then I have no need to listen to the prequels :) Also cities often have water features.
Yes thats true but you have to establish it. How coruscant looks in OT.Story wise we have to see how this place looks. It has to be iconic as a background if the final duel takes place there. Dark, silent, foggy and distant. But you have to show it!So you are saying that you can 3d track a water feature on the black spots? Or will be static too?
As for creating new shots such as a distant shot of the city before moving across that shot, I could do, to be honest I hadn't thought about it because if I decide to then it wont really be that hard, not compared to things like solving the wookiee problems and the ending, and making the script work with some of the altered scenes.
Making something good and worth seeing is a good task.
Even if I manage to do all of those things I think it would still take ages to actually smooth it out with all the soundtrack and hope that the story was still explained enough to be ejoyable. Oh well, we'll see.
No sacrifice no victory? Im out of here
-Angel
I dont know...
Will you use already seen shots or you will going to recreate new ones from scratch? For example will we see a far shot of the city of coruscant before that shot? Is it day or night? Seeing yellow sun on metal blocks i assume its day.
You have to establish the time of the day/night. Its a full star night as we see in the next shots. I assume it is impossible to track little lights on the surface or even adding sky traffic.
Dark area=water feature? I want to see this. (coruscant has no water)
-Angel
Well here's a tip for ya :)
This is from Star wars manga (sorry i had to take a photo of the page) you can see that the senate is armed to death and a tall tower is in the middle with palps inside it. you can take that concept and push it even more taking the tower to be the tallest building of the planet.
You can make new mattes showing the grand reveal of the tower. like the old movies of 50s that were blury and moody with big headlights aiming to teh sky(like 20th logo ones) You can simulate a retro feeling by adding patrols of star destroyers around the city. like Metropolis
-Angel
Johannus said:
I am going to look for as many places to add shots of static wookiees as possible, and also try to make it look like they are firing from behind treesI'll try to update with some mock ups soon.
Static wookies? Only that? I mean if you are going to replace them from ewoks they must have some serious part in the battle not just in the background(static)
Id love to see some motion clip tests rather static mockups if you can sell the idea of this :)
Im not fun of the battle to be on coruscant but im interested what backdrops and mattes you will come up with. cause the nature of the shots it will require multiple angles of the buildings and the sky traffic. The idea of showing only the establishing shot and then only space then you missing the point of coruscant. Like i said there are multiple angles that you have to show buildings. if you go with the concept above the clouds building then you have to show clouds or sort of this thing.
-Angel
LOL.. Heresy? Blasphemy? What is ESB? some kind of religion or God? Please...
All ideas are welcome. Maybe not for ESB:R but for any other edits in the future. The vision of perfectness can be different from person to person. I support radical edits :)
Lets listen them to ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
-Angel
i ve noticed the damn marks in the rock. I assumed that was random markings. It could be awesome puting some alien marks or marks from indiana jones :).Seeing some other shots you can see some carbage or plastic shit around the rocks. All the boring canyon shots will be replaced with more dramatic ones plus they will have all the same daytime rather a mess ;)
@Mr J: Dont stop! Keep these coming! The more radical is something more welcome is it.
Considering taking reference from JJ's Star trek when the ships are on hyper/warp speed and replace the boring horizontal shot from back of millenium falcon. Enterprise's halls have the perfect settings of how tantive's halls can be more interesting. Tilted cameras and such.
Tantive IV will be replaced as well Ships will NOT fly straight again! Evasive manuevers anyone?
There is a shot of TFU that showing they throw tantive to oblivion and it explodes out of screen. I like that idea to be in the movie and replace the hurry star destroyer scene leaving to deathstar(i assume) Ever wondered why the SDs are moving so fast in ANH? lol
One thing id like to remove is the random white flashes/frames that are suposed to be flashes from blasters. If its possible to intergrade the missing frames i can be happy :D
-Angel
Now that could be F@cking awesome and impossible at the same time :D
This is great how refreshed they look. Any attempts on motion mr J? If this concept can work i really dig the effect! More changes yeah :D Make that movie unrecognizable :D
-Angel
Radi0n said:
I know, I know, we've all grown up accustomed to Bulloch's voice, but if you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Boba is Jango's clone, so he should have the same voice.
Ady stated that PT should follow the OT and the other way around. Jango's helmet will alter his voice in AOTC:R. Maybe there is no Jango and its only boba... who knows who cares :P
We ve passed through this debate too :D
-Angel
ImperialFighter said:
I've been noting down the various remaining things I'd still like to cover since a while now. Including the Executor holograms.
Heh, I actually never noticed all those re-used backdrops you pointed out there vaderios! Strangely enough, I've never been too fussed about any of the various backdrop/skies/lighting inconsistentcies of the AT-AT battle, and am just really looking forward to the fixes/enhancements to the various vehicles/elements in the actual action itself. I know how that kind of thing drives you crazy though. ;)
Awesome! More analysis into the summer heat :D I ll make sure i will have a laptop in the beach ;)
I first seen the same backdrop when the walker was falling and said "oups something is duplicated here" Then all started looking familiar..
Its amazing how often the light changes during the battle.
-Angel
teharri said:
Just re watching ROTJ the other day, I cannot wait to see someone get rid of Luke's lightsaber bat in the beginning and add some slashing.
Havent seen my mockups yet? :(
-Angel
Harmy said:
changing backgrounds and colors definitely falls into the category of changing stuff just because we can.
Is that bad? ;) Will we limit our creative decisions because that sounds/is bad and because lucas failed/did it? And what if is bad? So?
@MR J: you did it again :D The highlight was the seamless transition of vader's movement to the right:D
@Avatar: Oh boy you put some serious effort there! The lightning rocks! I love you added chromatic aberration to the hologram! Really nice touches here and there :D
@Bingo: I wouldnt mind if the actor could change to a more nazi one :) No Worries not keeping the originality there!
-Angel
Ady how many of these repeated backgrounds have you replaced?
I count these. no idea if there are more of them.
now this may seems correct seeing some sort of known landscape from times to times but since its placed into the most illogical places then..
-Angel
adywan said:I've never had a problem with the different coloured IG-88 droid being there. It actually has been painted as you can see different shades and weathering on it. All droids don't look metallic. Just look at the beginning of the movie , we have a white protocol droid that isn't metallic. so i won't be doing anything here..... or will i? lol
has anyone noticed that in the final shot of that scene smack bang in the bottom middle of the frame is a recoloured set piece from the Tantive IV? And one of the droids from the jawas garage sale is in there too & in the first shot you can see 4-LOM with a different body
I have said before that the EU does not exist to me and there will be nothing changed or added because it has been referenced in anything outside of the movies. There are many protocol droids that look just like 3PO and are different colours so there is bound to be other versions of IG-88. Also there will be no PT droids anywhere in ESB:R. The reference was there in ANH:R because it was a nod to link the two trilogies. There doesn't need to be any more in the other movies.
HotRod said:
Angel...????
Makes no sense huh? :P
EDIT: missing light behind 3po?:)
ignore the leg :)
-Angel
Well the most logical is that vader would appear as hologram to ozel.
Taking the fact that where ozzel and piet is located, behind them is the location that later in the movie the 3 admirals report to vader as holograms and Needa dies.Thats why Ozzel comes closer to that point.
So again assuming the system that is from screen to holo and holo to holo.
Maybe Impfigher has something to say :D
-Angel
Good news :D
IF this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBkM1VElQ0Q&feature=related can be applied to PT then you can eliminate hayden from PT :D
Or even better some lame shots aka dooku/palpatine CG doubles
-Angel
DF Shadow said:
I was just wondering....in of all the star wars movies where we see these cases of scenes totally saturated with a blue hue or a red hue, was it originally just an artistic choice by LFL to have such scenes appear that way?
http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-hollywood-please-stop.html
-Angel
Which reminds me... why Vader walks all the time..somewhere to nowhere.
I have ideas placing him to be more static (aka ESB like) to more strategic and dramatic places. have him to a pre meditation chamber?
Have him watching/meditating while watching the TIE patrols out of a big window?
Also its like he is indeed under tarkin's leash because where ever is tarkin Vader is there too.
-Angel
doubleofive said:
Is it necessary? No.
It is necessary ;) Why wouldnt? makes more sense a battleship captain or whatever officer will pop with a holo rather walk the next 100 miles with his feet to reach tarkin into a small boring room.
Awesome job there Avatar :D
-Angel
Returning back to Bingowings and the end of ROTS. I liked the idea of the time-lapse something but in the beginning of this video it gives a nice approach of this event :) http://www.vimeo.com/10671449
-Angel
I find that interesting while browsing images. Altering ben's hut to be more nature like house. A house in a rock.
Taking references from cappadocia it could be more interesting creating new scenes. Funnily enough the interior of some hotels/houses are like ben's hut. So the connection fits :)
here some images for sampling and showing the concept :)
@MR J: i really cant wait what you will come with :D
-Angel
