Angel

Rogue-theX said:

Lol, Never saw that comin' Roflmfao!!!

Oh! Welcome to OT.com forums :D

-Angel

Ady I ve noticed some variance that might be interesting.

Impfighter i want your put here if you want :)

In the first image (i brighten it up in purpose) you can see before the holo appeared a different pattern on the wall.. That have two rentagle holes.

I tried think what would be more easy. adding a similar pylon like the rest of the others to that spot or make the back walls like they should be?

Assuming that not only one pylon with that pattern would be present thats why i ve made 2. Maybe im wrong and its only one.

Fancy that this room is full of surprises and variations

For the more radical ones the double rentagles might be the emitters of the holograms :P ;)

-Angel

If you notice this pad is in the wrong position/height in the SE. Everything that Ties the SE flyby and the OT matte pointing to wrong angles and wrong positioning of everything.

-Angel

Yes.

But still even the side part of the mask was not visible the upper lock should be (Like the image you posted in ROTJ)

This lock part almost embraces the top oh vader's head. :)

I dont even try to think that ady will do such a change :P

Also for the visible arm discussion.. here is an attempt.

I tried to fix most of the surrounding problems too

I like the new details on vader btw. Less dark areas :D

-Angel

If we go with that route then ady must add the face plate on vader's head.

That i think is something that he will not do.

ESB's helmet was meant to be 2 pieces i think

-Angel

Wouldnt make more sense during the duel Like anakin and obi while the sabers are clashing they manage to hit the door activator so all the doors gets mad?

A good point Bingo. Why these pits have no rails :) Like the death star ones. Economy...

-Angel

Isnt that odd that in the I am your father talk the blue rim light that lights vader constantly changes sides between the close ups and in several far shots are not there?

I hope the color correction fixed that.

Since ady removed the Blue cast/rim light from look in this shot i see why not on vader too.

EDIT: I was browsing again the first page of this topic and i re watch some of the comparison images. Probably outdated.

Still some of the bespin/falcon shots brought again my attention.

You can notice that when the falcon is landed it has no had contrasts while some of the further buildings have. Will the gradient between the atmospheres be more correct and the depth maps should be more accurate?

The old mattes have that haze more correctly placed but not perfect.

-Angel

Thats why im keep saying the differences about the ANH vader and the ESB Vader. Total different characters. Most if not all the later vaders were established by the ESB one.

After all its vader's ship. Or at least it has been established with that way.

Why not the 10+ km beast cant have a special location for his owner that is the second in command in the galaxy?

Imagine something like Jedi could happened if vader were meditating in his privare rooms..

-Angel

I hope for the best of the changes 005 :)

-Angel

doubleofive said:

I believe he said no to the longer hallway, and no to the added step or whatever to the current side shot. So really, I think this whole conversation is moot (at least its on topic?).

Damn i remembering the post about considering the idea and he had some ideas about it ages ago. Care to remember us when he said no?

-Angel

I dont think That ady will add even the slightest indication of PT stuff to the flawless ESB for the sake of it (:P)

The whole theory of in your face effects or the movie needs to talk to you or adding something to story are not for revisited. otherwise many other great ideas were in place :P

Im aware the wall color if should be grayier. Imp mentioned that ady did make a reference about that change but i cant recall.

Sorry for the misplaced idea about bingo and monro :P

-Angel

Good idea. Still i dont know if the running time can show/reveal the dual door concept in motion. Even Bingo's idea for an elevator can be easily a good solution but i prefer the perspective do its job and show as subtle as possible what the shot has to provide :D

-Angel

ImperialFighter said:

The Golden Idol said:

Cibernite said:

If you look at Vader, His cape is on his back and not on his shoulders like it usually is.  Which means he did something while his ship was being positioned.  It would look out of place if you just cut to him just about to stand on the pedistal.

This made me notice a continuity error. When Vader kneels down to speak to the Emperor, his cape is on his back with his shoulder pads exposed. However, in the next shot, his cape is over his shoulders. This change occurs in a matter of seconds.

 

Cibernite, nice spot there, which is something I never noticed before. :)

An easy fix i can say since all shots with vader from the side ways are almost static.

As for the location of teh chamber all points you ve made Imp were accuarare(as noted before in previous posts) But still i can assume that vader has some more mysterious location from the average executor halls. Not to mention these halls are not for the average officer. More like a death sentence hall?

As someone posted for the reused set for the chamber and the holotab i see that is correct. Not only the BTS image that ady posted proves that but if you can see in the images that Imp posted...:

...the black areas that were painted in the holo shots are there. So i assume that ady will not bother with that detail because it doenst affects the story but to me is details that fills the aesthetic.

Not to mention the damn dark/light areas that varyies from the shot to shot

I love this approach!

Subtle and doable.

PS: Anyone noticed how asymmetrical are the black think lines (matte section) in the holo room? It screams that is painted and it lacks the style of a more hard surface and less the organic/painted look...

-Angel

So indeed the officers are like stepping on the circular thing or next to it when they inform vader right?(probably next to it because they both are from the right side of it)

So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor.

Flawless logic :P

Or it might be at the end the supposed deleted scene of ROTJ would be the previous shot of vader walks out of the chamber.... who knows

Speaking of chambers and doors.

Ady did you considered the idea of making the door leading to vader be longer and more isolate rather is next to a populate hall?

(dont mind the reflection its an old mockup:)

-Angel

Nothing shows that its angled.

Apart the fact that in the previous chamber shots the officers should be angled.

Otherwise you can notice the viewscreen behind the chamber.

Veers inform vader and vader turns 180 degrees to view the screen. So i assume Veers had his back on the holo chamber .

From what part of the room piet enters to inform vader? We see him step up a level not slowing rising like a ramp.

If that is true then we can assume from the pic that ady posted they remove the chamber for aesthetic/artistic reasons

-Angel

There is nothing wrong with the set pylons ady nor in the movie or in the pic.

I cant make this more clear. If i imagining things then correct me again.

-Angel

ImperialFighter said:

vaderios, I've no problem with the overall look of the 'surrounding' wall in the 'side onwards' shots personally, as the whole room has an indeterminate shape to it throughout various shots anyway.  I'm content that the 'perspective' of those 3 'side onwards' shots give me a good enough impression that it still 'surrounds' the 'chamber' that is somewhere behind Vader.

I dont know if you got what i said or my awesome english didnt got what you said :P

I wasnt pointing either the perspective or the details of the surroundings pylons.

I pointed the specific pylon behind vader (with the red line in my mockup) that had a hole in the middle. I fix that filling the whole like the other pylons have.

That needs to be fixed as subtle as the error is.

-Angel

See my mockup Imp :)

I wasnt sure about the pylon if it was behind or infront.

Anyway the pylon needs to be fixed :P

-Angel

Not to mention that the pylon behind Vader seems to be an empty box like they forgot to paint/cover it.

-Angel

I thought the same thing Imp Fighter.

Still, it might bethe pylon that is in front of the chamber that hides a big part of it.

Now if ady wishes to add some glimpses on the floor then im ok with that :)

-Angel

Answer Ady's question ;)

-Angel

I knew it :P

-Angel

Isnt the split screen one of ady's CC versions?

I thought that at first

-Angel

Be my guests!

But i cant take it as a critical reason, not releasing two versions for the sake of not make more comparisons and 2 versions of the edit. ;)

Meh.. :P

Ady's edit, Ady's call :D

-Angel

Its a choice at the end 005 ;)

Thanks for making the lists for the public and the fans but nothing is stopping you for not doing it.

Anyways i wish a xvid one so ady can avoid mistakes like the ones hes left in ANH:R ( i think he mentioned that he is not bothering with the details he was/will leave/ft)

He already said that he wont release one so.... whatever.... happy new year ;)

-Angel