none said:
Deleted Scene Video - Hoth Han & Leia
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/09/06/star-wars-empire-strikes-back-deleted-scene/
I like that - a lot. Much more emotional and adult than what was chosen. Well done.
greenpenguino said:
He'll ban anyone who likes Empire and ROTJ
Funny you should mention that. This weekend I caught the Dagobah sequence from Empire (I bailed before I saw something SE). I gotta tell you - it made me want to see the film again. What a time for the GOUTs to be disappearing.
I smell a purchase coming up.
Thanks for the votes of confidence, all. Considering all this board has given me over the years, I look forward to finally being able to give something back. Even if it's something as simple as keeping an eye on everyone on Detention Block AA-23.
;-)
I think I'll look for one more copy of the 06 Bonus Disc myself. Sort of a just in case copy and a show of support as well.
skyjedi2005 said:
Shatner's i need my pain line was pretty good.
I agree. To me, the most telling moment of what makes that charter in all the films or TV shows. I think of that line often because it resonates more as I get older. The journey makes you who you are.
FanFiltration said:
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
I don't dislike the film, far from it. However, I recognize the poor production. I read a book about the production from start to release. With Paramount continually cutting the budget even after green-lighting the project and the writers' guild strike at the time, it's a wonder it came out at all.
That said; My positive take on it is that the story of the film - someone high-jacks a star ship so they can go see God - is an awesome idea for a science fiction film. Too bad things worked against its being handled as well as it could have been.
timdiggerm said:
Anchorhead said:
I have to say I'm very surprised at the BR outrage. Given the way Lucas treats Star Wars, how could anyone not think there were going to be a myriad of unnecessary, lied-about, prequel-tie-in, and just plain weird alterations to the first three films?
I'd say that "NOOOOO" in ROTJ is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Does that make sense?
It does. Maybe I'm just more surprised that it took this long for so many people to feel what we've felt for the last 15 years. I was beginning to think people didn't have breaking points.
skyjedi2005 said:
he still has fans by the balls by forcing them to...
You can justify buying this box set however you want and then rail on Lucas for being a monster and ruining the franchise, but he's not forcing you to do anything. If you give him a hundred bucks for a few deleted scenes you want and six films you don't want, that's all you.
We have to buy...
Absolutely nothing.
Sluggo said:
Anchorhead said:
The Phantom Menace
Everything about this single shot works for me.
*speechless*
Hey, I'm just being honest, man. It's a cool looking 6 seconds. I remember almost nothing else, but that jumped out at me as nicely designed.
The Phantom Menace
Everything about this single shot works for me.
metaender said:
we have every right to take whatever we feel like. ...its about taking whats rightfully ours...
We don't have every right to take whatever we want and none of it is rightfully ours.
Fan preservation of the original versions is one thing, and I'm very much in favor of it. However, being deprived of a high quality version of the original films doesn't make it ok to steal.
As you mentioned yourself, people gave money to Lucas for the inferior versions - versions they knew were inferior when they bought them. Lucas didn't go into their homes while they were at work, take the money, and leave SEs on the kitchen counter.
This isn't really a complaint or vent, but it will get lost in the BR thread since it moves so quickly.
I have to say I'm very surprised at the BR outrage. Given the way Lucas treats Star Wars, how could anyone not think there were going to be a myriad of unnecessary, lied-about, prequel-tie-in, and just plain weird alterations to the first three films?
He's been a megalomaniac for decades and continually makes sure people are reminded of it. No one should ever think he's somehow done some soul searching and decided to do what the fanbase wants, what's right for film history, or what his peers wish he would do.
George isn't concerned with anyone other than George - "you're ruining my movie", "it's my story", "this is the version I want released", "this is my Original Vision", "I want people to remember this version in 100 years", etc, etc.
I work with a Star Wars fan who, while not a nerd, still digs all of the films and appreciates the original versions. He seldom brings up Star Wars, but yesterday he caught me in the hallway and said "I can't believe that ridiculous sounding No that Lucas cut into Return". Even casual fans are scratching their heads at Lucas over this one.
As a fan, it's frustrating for me to watch so many good people (this community) get their hopes up and then get punched in the stomach by Lucas.
Sluggo said:
I've got a bee question. A friend of mine was driving across the country to buy boxes of bees. He said they had thousands of bees per box all packed up. Is that normal?
Very common. That's called a package. It's a shoe-box sixed wooden box with screened sides. They're almost always 3 lbs of bees (10-12 thousand), a can of syrup for them to eat, and a queen in a very small queen cage with a few nurse bees. It's how a great many new hives are started.
You dump the bees in a new hive, pour what little syrup may be left into a feeder, and place the queen cage inside. The queen cage has a marshmallow plug to keep her in for a few days until the bees accept her. If you put her right in, they'd kill her. It takes about four days for the bees to eat the plug away and release her. When they do, she enters the hive as their queen and they go about the business of drawing out comb and making honey, while she lays eggs. I'll try to find a picture of a package.
*edit*
I'll go one better. Here is a picture of one of my hives from a few years ago. I started it with a package. You can see the queen cage laying in front of it.
*edit*
Here is that same hive earlier this year. It's grown considerably.
Like all hives, it started as a single Deep (brood, stored pollen, and honey). These days it's two deeps and three Supers (honey only). In the picture there were only two supers. I added a third super about 4 months ago. I'll be extracting later this month. One super only, they get the rest for the winter.
TheBoost said:
Wasps don't hunt in packs though.
Neither do bees. They do defend in packs though. That thermal thing is weird to see. They do that to bumble bees, hornets, etc. The wasp would have to be trying to get into the hive and steal honey though. They don't go out looking for them.
Oh, and since you guys are posting nightmare scenarios - every winter the colony either forcibly removes or kills all the drones (males). Once the temperatures get below 50 and stays that way for a while, the colony knows winter is coming. Since the males do nothing at all within the colony and would just be eating the stored food through the winter, they're asked to leave.
It's a matter of colony survival. A strong hive is about 70,000 bees, about 200 of which are males. If it's a long winter, that's 200 fewer mouths to eat up the honey.
The queen lays new drone eggs the following spring. She decides what to make - male or female - every time she lays an egg. Males are only kept around in case of an emergency, which would be the queen dying. If the colony has to make a new queen suddenly, they'll need a few fellas on hand to mate when she takes her first flight.
Beyond that, the males don't really do anything. They occasionally gather pollen, nectar, or water, but they don't feed the queen and they don't take care of babies. They can't defend the hive either (no stinger). They sometimes fan the entrance to reduce the heat, but that's about it.
I'm a huge fan of covers like those ^
I don't really have my DVDs and BRs on display, so it's not a huge issue. I'd still like to try a few for some of my DVDs that have particularly bad artwork on the covers. Along those lines, I really wish most of my mass market paperbacks had covers like that. Understated works well for me. Good job, man.
CP3S said:
Nice topic, Anchorhead! Very interesting stuff. Had my second honey harvesting experience a few weeks ago and really loved it. Beekeeping is definitely a hobby I could really get into, if I ever have the property to do it on.
Excellent. It's a lot of work, but it's fun too.
TV's Frink said:
I hate bees, but they started it, what with their flying around and their buzzing and their stingers and their hey hey hey...
I suppose they can be a little intimidating. You're generally ok if you see a lone forager. When she's out collecting pollen, nectar, or water, she's not really in attack mode. She has much more important things to do.
Now, as Ziggy says, if you provoke them by getting too close to the hive or swatting at them, the guard bees will let you know. You'll usually get a warning bump or two. If you don't back off, she'll make you back off.
Those guards are at the hive entrance, not out foraging. They do make periodic flights around the hive, so they're usually withing 10 feet of it. That's really the only time you're pushing your luck. If you do happen to swat one and kill it, it's time to leave. That releases a pheromone telling the others that danger is present. Rest assured, on that second wave the girls won't be giving out any warnings. ;-)
All of my personal canon centers around, or is connected to, these stories. I put the published NPR script in there because it has some scenes that were trimmed (for time) in the broadcasts. The 1977 version of Star wars, while not something I watch terribly often, is still the standard bearer of my canon.
My personal canon will be no doubt grow as I read some more of the Zahn novels. Truthfully, I can hardly put the Thrawn Trilogy down. Fantastic stories and very adult.
An aside; This board is responsible for that list, by the way. I was first-film-only 8 years ago and had been for many years before that. The importance this board has played in re-engaging me as a fan and making the Star Wars universe deep and mysterious again can't be over-stated.
TheBoost said:
Based on my Frink-wife's dealing with irrational Bee fear, that is the case from her allergist (and I have a coworker who's allergic who carries a syringe of something magic in case she gets stung)
Epinephrine.
darth_ender said:
What do you mean it's nearly impossible to get stung to death? I mean, I'm not usually one to take every rumor for fact, but I was pretty sure I've read in what I thought were reputable sources that enough stings could kill you.
....
Now reading on the extremely reputable online Great Library called Wikipedia, and it seems to indicate that only those who are allergic would have sufficient reason to fear. Is this true?
Yes, you'd need to be allergic for it to be a real issue. Plenty of people are, so you might want to take that into consideration if you're ever near a swarm.
That said, when you see a swarm or giant cluster on a tree branch or the side of a building, that's when the bees are usually the least aggressive. they're in the process of finding a new home, have no babies, and no real food stores to protect, so they're largely uninterested in anything else.
TV's Frink said:
True story: I've never been stung by a bee...ever. And as such, I'm deathly afraid of bees. That which we haven't experienced only makes us more cowardly.
It's sort of a running anecdote with beekeepers that the anticipation of a sting is way worse than actual sting. It feels about like getting an IV put in your arm.
The headachey part is that after you get stung, that pheromone stays at the site and other bees will try to sting in the same spot. Bees that otherwise wouldn't have even been interested in bothering you.
That's why all my stings were ganged up in the same four areas. In fact, when I went out Sunday to check on the colony and move some of the stragglers, they were very interested in the spot on my left glove where I'd been stung several times the day before.
Warbler said:
yipes!! I'd call professionals to deal with something like that. I'm surprised you didn't get bit more than 24 times. I'm surprised they didn't sting to you to death.
Warb, I'm a beekeeper. The only reason I'm not a professional is because I don't charge to do cut-outs or removals.
They didn't sting me to death because that's next to impossible. Plus I had on gear. The stings were from when I had to take my gloves off for a moment or took too long to suit up after I went outside. They weren't out there waiting to attack, in the shape of a big arrow - like a Warner Bros cartoon.
Also, city bees aren't generally as aggressive as bees out in a forest. They're more used to people and activity. These bees have been about five feet from my back door for almost a year. I walked within a foot or two of them several times a day, refilled the water bowl I had for them to drink out of every day, scooped them out if they got stuck in it (they drink from the edges of it), that sort of thing. They weren't aggressive at all.
In my own house, no less. Last November a swarm had taken up residence in the eave above our dining room window, next to the back door. They survived the winter and came on like gang busters. These bees, by the way, are unrelated to my hive across the yard.
I’ve been putting off cutting them out because they haven’t been a bother and I really haven’t felt like tearing my own house apart. Normally that's the kind of thing we do for people who contact us asking for help. Anyway, I decided to cut them out Saturday with the help of three fellow beekeeper friends. I chose this weekend because I want them to have time to get established in a new hive before winter gets here.
Here are the bees after I cut away the first part of the soffit. It took me 30 minutes with a drill (pilot holes), a skill saw, and a crowbar just to get to this point – but if you look closely, you’ll notice there isn’t a single bee in the air. Without a doubt, the calmest colony I’ve ever seen.
This is after the cut-out and comb removal. I had to tear out more structure (rafters and fascia) to get at all their comb, which I put into a proper hive using special frames made just for cut-outs and removals. As was expected, they got much more aggressive after I started to remove babies and food. That said, they were still fairly calm. Never more than maybe 300 in the air, the rest staying with the comb as I placed it onto the new hive. I've done cut-outs before where there two or three times that many in the air.
This is the colony in their new home on Sunday. I put it about three feet from where they had been, on the roof, just above the torn out eave. Activity appears to be normal. I’ll build back the rafters, eaves, soffit, and fascia in a week or two. Some stragglers are still hanging around cleaning the last bits of honey from where the comb had been attached inside. That’s normal.
Six hours start to finish on Saturday and another two hours on Sunday gathering bunches of stragglers and putting them into the new hive. I sprayed them with sugar water and brushed them into a small box for the climb up the ladder. Final tally: 24 stings – a personal best. ;-)
At this point, nearing 50, I don't have any interest in the film Star Wars anymore. My 2006 GOUT is enough for me, which I last watched five years ago. Lucas has contaminated the franchise to the point of it being toxic.
Someone pointed out the other day (sorry, I forgot who) that this is the only film in history that has this much fanbase hatred and venom. Lucas has once again broke new ground - he's actually managed to turn his own fanbase against itself.
I'm only here to support the cause, expose the decades of lies, and to discuss my personal Star Wars canon with fellow nerds. Which, by the way, has been largely formed & guided by some of you here. That's a big deal to me, in case I don't thank you folks enough. If it weren't for you, I wouldn't even be a Star Wars fan anymore.
Truth be told, if a proper release of the original Star Wars were released, I wouldn't rush out to get it. It's not fun anymore. It's become work to be a fan.
Foster, Daley, and Zahn are Star Wars now.
