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#684515
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Boba Fett Spin-Off May Put a New Character in the Armor
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DuracellEnergizer said:

 Are you saying Jason Wingreen's voice sucked?!

 Not at all.  It was fine.  To me, he just worked better as a mysterious figure in the shadows. It's just another example of Lucas not understanding what makes a character work.  I never wanted to know anything else about him or see he again.  

For the record;  I've not heard the dubbed voice, nor will I ever.

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#684461
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Boba Fett Spin-Off May Put a New Character in the Armor
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TheBoost said:

This is fine. Given that Boba Fett as a character DOES NOTHING OF NOTE, and apparently isn't as bad ass as everyone thinks since after a big payoff he's happier to chill in Jabba's party palace than do anything else. 

Put a suit like that on anyone, and they're equally cool looking... which is all Boba ever had going for him. 

 All kidding aside (and you may not have been), but for the life of me I cannot, nor have I ever been able to, figure out the attraction to this character. Cool looking when he isn't speaking, mysterious, and plays a somewhat minor role in the second film.

Yet people by the millions lose their mind over the character. Not sure what I've been missing for thirty years, but I don't get the worship, even remotely.

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#684448
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Sick of Star Wars Prequel bashing....
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OBI-WAN37 said:

Another thing I don't appreciate is all the prequel trilogy-haters stating their opinions as if they're fact. They hardly ever say "in my opinion..."

Step lightly, 37.   You'll get more rope than we would on your board, but there is a limit.  Careful with the accusations as well.

OBI-WAN37 said:

They are utterly mind-blowingly fantastic films.

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#684258
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What if Owen Lars was an abusive parent?
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imperialscum said:

I am sorry but that doesn't make sense. I don't see why would leaving something to chance be better than controlling it. Jedi trained from the early age for thousands of years and yet they manged to be more than decent people (at least that's what they show us). In fact, by just letting him deal with it by himself would increase the chance of him becoming arrogant and misuse his powers. Far more than by carefully raising him in a good spirit (to be selfless, humble etc.) and to teach him to use his powers for good purposes.

On the other hand, practically speaking, Ben and Yoda pretty much saw him as a tool to defeat the Emperor. I just don't see the reason why they chose to throw him in with a few months of training instead of an entire life of training.

None of it makes sense, nor will it ever.  You're putting ten times more thought into the story than Lucas did.  He isn't a good writer, he made up characters to sell toys, and thought up (and altered) the story on the fly. 

You won't be able to make this work because it doesn't.  The story was altered long after the earlier parts were written & filmed - by a very poor writer.  No way you solve this Rubik's Cube.

The story is contaminated. 

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#683221
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What are you reading?
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AntcuFaalb said:

Cool!

Splinter of the Mind's Eye

I really like it so far. It's my first Star Wars book.

 What did you ultimately think of it? 

It's ne of my favorite Star Wars novels.  It's completely uncontaminated by Lucas.  A true (and intended) sequel to Star Wars.  I go back to it occasionally when I want to clear my head. 

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#682653
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I didn't think the Star Wars Holiday Special was THAAAAT BADDDD...
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For me, in the 70s, no one could touch Toni Tennille. *swoon*  

All kidding aside, to this day I still have a thing for short hair and big teeth.  

Bonus; She sang backup on Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me.  One of my favorite pieces of music. She worked with him on a few albums In the 70s.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oqxkhKf0yaI 

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#682538
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Last movie seen
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No spoilers.

It isn't often a movie comes along and totally blows me away.  This one did. I know the reviews have been very mixed.  If I had to guess at a reason, I'd say it's because a great many people aren't sure what to make of it. It's certainly tough to describe. 

I'm very familiar with the cultural significance of someone being labeled a Walter Mitty, it's been part of our world since 1939. It was coined from a short story that ran in The New Yorker. For the unwashed, it's a label given to people who have big imaginations, dreams, aspirations, etc, yet never act on them. Usually it's out of fear or insecurity.

No surprise then that it resonated with me.  I've certainly been a Walter Mitty in a lot of respects all my life.  I've had some some big global adventures, but I've also sat in a board room and imagined how I'd dispense someone who is being a bully or an ass.  I've rescued the damsel in distress more times than I can count.  I've saved animals, stopped the bad guys, and all other manners of heroic deeds.  Probably safe to assume there are plenty of us on this board.  We do, after all, sit and discuss a fantasy world in depth.

I've definitely zoned out plenty of times while playing out entire scenarios in my head.  Also, very much like Walter, I have a muse.  That in itself can be very powerful and moving.  It can also be very liberating.  It has for me.

This film went through several leads and directors the past 15 years or so before being made.  After reading who was involved in the past, that was a Godsend.  Ben Stiller is perfect as the lead, outstanding as the director.  Equally outstanding is Kristen Wiig.  She captures the everywoman perfectly.  Nice to see her in something serious.

I'll most likely see this again this weekend.  I will absolutely buy this as soon as it's available.  No two ways about it, I give The Secret Life of Walter Mitty a solid 5 out of 5 winks.

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#682347
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Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD**
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Humby said:

After years of being on the inside, Lucas had no understanding of what made Star Wars important in the first place. 

 I've long preached that same point, but going one step further and saying I don't think he ever understood it, even when they were filming it.  There are several interviews with people involved who mention some of the things he wanted to do that just didn't work, or ruined the moment.

This excellent piece about Marcia Lucas has extensive evidence that George just didn't get what made a film connect. The chapter titled Making Graffiti is particularly telling.
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/marcialucas.html

Humby also said:

Darth Vader was only a larger than life character to the audience, not to the other characters in that world.  But Lucas didn't understand that.

Excellent point.  Vader isn't even respected by the rest of the Empire leaders.  He's spoken down to and mocked during the conference room scenes. He's certainly not respected by Tarkin or any other military official. He's only a bad-ass when he's the highest ranking officer in a room. Otherwise, he's practically getting an eye roll from the other officers.

It makes no sense what so ever that he's suddenly elevated to the feared-by-all status in the following film. What (in-story) warranted that transformation? 

He didn't keep the Death Star plans from being stolen, he didn't get the Death Star plans back, he didn't stop Ben allowing the Falcon to escape, he didn't kill Ben (that was a self-sacrifice), he didn't break the Princess into giving up the location, he didn't stop Luke, he didn't stop the rebellion, and he didn't keep the death Star from being destroyed.

Fortunately for us, there were key people involved who kept George from ruining his own film.  We weren't so lucky after that.

I don't think Abrams is anywhere near that obtuse.  Whatever becomes of the next film,  I doubt it will have silly-named charters, marketing-derived characters, rampant incestuous connections, or twirling light sabers.

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#681835
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A New Hope was released at just the right time.
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imperialscum said:

Let  me put it like this. How many people watches Star Wars, let's say annually, and how many does that with Matrix?

 I'd bet my next paycheck that you would be very surprised by the size and devotion of The Matrix fan base.  A quick search turns up several fan forums.  Those films were very bit as influential as Star Wars was When it came out.

Star Wars influenced the look of space travel & ships, long since copied. Matrix gave us the slow motion, multi-angle, POV style of action and altered reality.  Also copied regularly ever since.

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#681289
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What are you INDIFFERENT to in the EU?
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hairy_hen said:

The Thrawn trilogy is amazing—easily the best by far of any Star Wars books that have ever been written.  I too had difficulty with them when I was young, but when I tried again at a more mature age, I wondered why I'd ever passed them over before.  Not only are the story and quality of writing superb, they reference only the original films and do not have to play along with anything else in terms of continuity.  I will always consider them to be the true sequel trilogy (Episodes 7, 8, and 9, if you like), because along with the older movies, they are really the only part of the story that actually matters.

As for what I'm indifferent to in the EU . . . well, nearly everything else, I guess.

 For the record:  Thats not a sock account of mine.

;-)

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#680062
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Doctor Who
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Warbler said:

 Why is Capaldi a shock?  We've known for a while that he was going to be the next Doctor.

 Yes, and I dug the angry glimpse in Day Of The Doctor.  Just something shocking about seeing him fully.

For the most part, I was fine with the story. It did seem weird that the Timelords were so casually accepted, but not a deal breaker. I guess my main disappointment was with the rush. It felt like a two-part episode crammed into one.

Coming on the heels of Day Of The Doctor, which I thought was expertly done, this was a drag for me. I love the relationship between Clara and the Doctor the past few episodes, so I was nowhere near ready to say goodbye to it.

Loved the first few minutes of Day Of The Doctor, with Clara and the Doctor being so comfortable and familiar with each other. The scene in the Tardis discussing cocktails, the flirtatiousness, the elation at seeing each other, the scene in the museum where they hold hands when he feels fear - all of it - perfect.

Near the end, her crying her way through telling him "I never pictured you doing it" - more perfection. Now, just like that, it's all gone. There is a huge loss of opportunity in their time together, their relationship.  however, that's where we are now. Whether I want it or not.

I'll certainly give the new series a few chances, but I fear that this will be a demarcation for me.

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#679997
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Doctor Who
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For me, there wasn't enough of the Doctor saying goodbye to Clara or her getting to say goodbye to him. As an actress and definitely as the character, she deserved much more.

Capaldi was a shock. More so than I expected. I hope I'm surprised as the season progresses, but honestly, I feel like this will be a struggle for me.

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#677333
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A New Hope was released at just the right time.
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Aunt Sally said:
Therefore hypothetical questions like "what if Star Wars was released today?" is as dumb as " what if Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica was published today?".

Ridiculous.



imperialscum said:
Actually the only relevant historic context was that it was a revolutionary film...

The "time of" I'm crediting for turning Star Wars into a cultural event was the innocence of our culture and the innocence of the movie-goers in general in 1977.  I don't attribute its success to the Cold War, Vietnam, the 1972 Olympics, etc.  Although there is certainly something to be said for the world needing a fun, bigger than life, escape at the time. 

I attribute it to us having not yet lost our cinematic innocence in 1977. It was a big adventure, the likes of which many of us hadn't been on before.  It looked as real as 2001: A Space Odyssey, but wasn't nearly as cerebral.  We spent a lot of time in space, which we hadn't done much of in films past.  It was also a relatively simple story.  It was an escape and it was fun.

That wouldn't be possible now.  People go into the theater expecting HD CGI realism. If it isn't Avatar, Matrix, Transformers, or a Marvel-based comic action piece, it doesn't land at the level Star Wars circa 1977 did. 

The time to capture the world with an event comes along seldom.  Once it does, you can't get your innocence back.  There was only one Apollo Space Program, one The Beatles, one Facebook, and one Summer of Star Wars.

You can read all you want about Star Wars 1977, you can imagine you understand it, and you can equate your TV experience decades later to it, but unless you were there, you can't feel or understand the emotional moment the way some of us did.

It would be like me saying I understand the emotion when Kennedy was shot or the elation of V-J Day.  No matter how much I read or watch about them, I can't feel it the way those people did.  Just as it will be when twenty years from now someone comes to you and they say they understood the fear of 9-11 because they've read a lot about it.

You can be every bit as emotionally moved by the story as 1970s people were, and it seems you were.  Which is great, by the way, because it keeps the original alive and shows that the essence of the story is what is most important.  However, you saw the film through late 1990s eyes in a late 1990s world.  It isn't the same as the 1970s.

A tangential discussion to all of this is available entertainment sources now vs 1977. Competition, venues, and availability of 2000s vs 1970s are also huge components of discussing the time in which Star Wars was released.

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#677174
Topic
A New Hope was released at just the right time.
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imperialscum said:

Time of release had little to do with anything.

I saw it 2 decades after its release and yet I fell in love with it just as much as people back in late 70's


when I first watched it I loved it just as much as people who watched it at release

With all due respect, those aren't statements you get to make for other people.  Particularly those of us who were there.  Time of release had a great deal to do with the cultural impact.  Plenty of articles have addressed it in detail. 

Regarding being just as moved by it as people were in the 1970s: That's not a quantifiable statement, nor one for you to make so definitively.  You were clearly moved by it or you wouldn't be on a Star wars board ten years later, but you don't get to speak for other fans' level of emotional impact.