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#1347925
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<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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LeperMessiah117 said:

Jar-Jar can be every bit as annoying in this show as in EP I. However, season 1, episode 12 shows the character at his least annoying and most competent, so I’d say that one is probably worth watching.

I just looked through an episode guide. That’s the episode I was referencing. He was tolerable. I think the animation helps too. He doesn’t look so idiotic. Like you said, he’s also not shown as a complete idiot.

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#1347808
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<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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A thought as I work my way through the series - and I don’t want to make too big a deal of this: I Am Digging This! And no, that’s not the wine talking.
😉

I have a bit of a prequel cringe every other episode or so, but nothing that has diminished how interesting and engaging this is. As I said earlier, I made the decision to make peace with that and just watch & enjoy. This is much deeper than what I vaguely remember from Phantom. The voice acting is considerably better than the Lucas films. Hats off to all who voiced the characters.

I will say at the outset: It was primarily the animation that drew me in, but I’m finding myself quite interested in the characters and storylines. I did skip episode 8 because I saw in the info paragraph that is was a Jar Jar episode. Sorry, I’m just not there yet.

That would be a few episodes later when he’s a peripheral comic relief character. To be clear, he’s still childish relief, but he was somehow less offensive than the idiotic portrayal in Phantom. I think it was the voice actor or the writing. Probably both. Plus he was used sparingly.

It’s also much more adult than I expected. There is some brutal and decidedly violent killing. No blood, but the tone and execution leave little to the imagination.

As I approach the end of the first season, I’ll say this: Clone Wars has been an extremely unexpected but pleasant surprise. I think I have four episodes to go on seasone one. I should finish up late tonight.

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#1346456
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<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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Tobar said:

Looking forward to it but I have a suggestion. I highly recommend watching it in chronological order instead of the original airing order. George Lucas was heavily involved with the first half of the series and he had a habit of telling the stories out of order. So watching it in airing order can be really confusing because one week someone will have died and then the next they’re just fine. It’s really odd.

Also, the first season is really rough. They hadn’t figured out what the tone should be and leaned heavily in a childish direction. With the chronological order you get some decent later season episodes dispersed between the early ones and it really helps with the tone.

Here’s a link to the chronological order list.

No doubt, there are some childish directions. Good news if they pull away from that. More good news, looking at your chronological list, it looks like the first four aired episodes (all I’ve watched so far) are sequential so I have minimal catching up to do. I started at Ambush, season one, episode one.

My preface and thoughts at the start;

As some of you may or may not know, I’m unfamiliar with all things Prequel. I saw Phantom Menace in the theater in '99, thought it was stupid, and jumped from the franchise. I remember almost nothing from it. I never saw the second two prequel films, nor have I seen anything from the vulgar SEs of the Original Trilogy, save for a few screencaps. After decades of hearing Lucas belch easily provable lies, I just couldn’t take any more of his inability to write or direct. Boundless universe - one small story.

I took the advice of a friend and started The Clone Wars animated series. To be sure, it is rife with Lucas and the Prequels. I knew that going in. He really is a one-note writer. The names may be the most telling of his juvenile mind; Grevious, Tyranus, and Sidious are the bad guys and their ship is the Malevolence ? Honestly, what’s next? - General Infectious and Lord Famine striking from their base on Pandemica to fight the rebels?

“Jesus, George, it’s a wonder Star Wars was ever born”

Vitriol out of the way. There is no shortage of members on our board who love the series and recommend it. I’ve resisted for obvious reasons. So here I am several years later, jumping in. My friend, as well as two co-worker Star Wars nerds kept telling me how great this final season is. That piqued my interest and I decided to make peace with the Prequelness. Being unfamiliar with the Prequels, there are a fair number of characters I don’t know. I recognize a few (e.g., the droid made out of bone and the woman with the long neck). I’m assuming the steampunk character is from the films also. I’ll get it as I go.

I’ve watched the first four episodes and I’m not hating it. As assumed, it’s VERY Prequel, but I can see the appeal. The animation is interesting and the characters are for the most part engaging. This seems like much more the way Lucas should have continued the franchise. This perfectly fits his visual-first, story-second style of storytelling. I’m assuming there will be plenty of twirling colors and rolling ships as we go. He always had people battling with light sabers with the ridiculous behind-the-back twirling. Honestly, those battles would be over the moment an opponent put their arm behind their back to do some sort of elbow twist and spin.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/05/02/5f05024b95954b52400137476ff20c44.gif

I can see myself completing the entire series because I’m genuinely curious about the characters and story. I’ll probably watch one on my lunch break in just a few minutes, as well as a couple more late tonight. They’re short episodes and not terribly deep. Just the sort of thing to watch before falling asleep. Even though that may sound like a slight, I don’t mean it as one. I just mean that they’re easily digestible as a way to decompress at the end of the day. Very much like Beware The Batman, which I also love and own all the episodes.

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Funny that the soldiers on the remote base have some Vargas girls on the wall. 😉

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#1341026
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A '<strong>Rumour and News</strong>' thread for reported new Star Wars films and tv series
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Man, I would love it if Leslye Headland was working on a series that included Enfys Nest, particularly if they could get Erin Kellyman to reprise the role. Considering what a mess the Solo film was, I suspect we may never see her again otherwise. She’s the only reason I ever watch it and I skip/FF through most of it just to watch her scenes and a few others.

Waititi doing anything for them is almost certainly a win. Both of these are good news and a sign that Disney may focusing on moving Star Wars to the small screen. No complaints here.

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#1336457
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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oojason said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m1IX0k7Dak - at the IGN youtube channel : starts at 26m 45s into the video.
 

Should be fun - and a chance for people to ask about the re-shoots, deleted scenes, was/is there a ‘Director’s Cut’, will there ever be a decent length documentary about the making of the film, etc? - and maybe even get an answer…
 

I sure hope that’s available after the fact (about to head out on a motorcycle ride). I would be interested to hear what went on in the reshoots. For the record, I love the film and have no problem with what we got. The ending/plans transmission/etc works for me just fine.

I suppose I’m more interested only because it’s been so guarded. They’ve been more open with the behind the scenes disaster that was Solo.

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#1333129
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WIRED's Article &quot;Disney+ Should Offer the Star Wars Original Cuts&quot;, doubleofive's Magnum Opus
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Sir, that’s as concise an article of the history as I’ve ever seen. It also thoroughly explains the dead end still confronting us all these decades later. Outstanding work! I’ve long since given up on the idea of ever watching Star Wars again because of the sad state it’s in. However, discussions such as yours always give me a glimmer of hope that somehow someone who can make the difference will see the plea and act on it. Fingers crossed your piece pushes us across the finish line. I’ll be sending this link out to a great many people.

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#1331370
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Density said:

George didn’t gaslight us like that.

Lucas has been gaslighting the fan base for 40 years. Nine films, six films, twelve films, never about Vader, always about Vader, Vader not the father, Vader always the father, Han shot in self defense, Leia was always the sister, “what I’d always planned”, “I just didn’t have the technology in 1980/1977/1983”, The Original Vision, commissioned two authors to each write a second film, the 1977 negatives are gone forever, films should never be altered, the director can alter, etc, etc, etc.

He built the franchise off of gaslighting the fan base and his constant lying created the fracturing that led to things like this very community.

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#1329008
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Happy Birthday, OT.com - now 17 years old (as of 10th March, 2020)
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ZigZig said:

Thanks to the whole team of admins and moderators!

Man, the same goes for the community here. 18 months ago we were faced with shuttering the entire ordeal. Behind the scenes we were scrambling to come up with ways to continue: Portage to another format and server, start over somewhere else, keep it all as a static archive and just link back to it from wherever we landed, etc.

All our years of discussion, preservation, and fighting the good fight were on the brink of becoming a read-only archive of 16 years of Star Wars fandom. Jay gave us several months to formulate a plan and was very involved and willing to help with whatever we chose.

Faced with extinction and a scattering of long time friends and fellow members, you guys stepped up to the plate and swung hard. As of today, we are funded for the next three years.

Consider a glass raised to you all. 🍷

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#1328810
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Did Lucas initially intend for a Grand Moff to be a villain of each movie?
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StarkillerAG said:

Interesting article. Kind of ironic that Lucas didn’t think Darth Vader was a good villain, and now Vader is one of the most iconic villains in film history. Hindsight is 20/20.

Weird, considering he had the entire Original VisionⓇ planned out in the early 1970s and how it was all about the grand saga of the rise & fall of Vader.

Oh wait. He’s a liar. Easily proven many times over.

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#1328806
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> Discussion Thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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I will admit to having a crush on her myself. Her first episode was a sort of stock tough girl shows the tough guy a thing or two. It was well done, but not surprising. That said, even near the end of that episode she was already shown as a bit deeper than the average tough girl. I enjoyed the episode and enjoyed her work.

She quickly became a deeper character. With the season ending two parter, she just about stole the show. Excellent work. I think I stated somewhere else how fantastic I think she is in the show. And yes, she’s absolutely gorgeous.

Regarding the above speculation: I really don’t know who it may be. Could be Fett, but I hope not. Not a fan of him post-TESB.

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#1327696
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Doctor Who
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I agree, it could have been a little less monologue-driven. I did like The Doctor getting physically angry with The Master. It could have used more of that and less companion side stories. Any one of the companions works really well with a good writer. That hasn’t been the case a few times and Sunday was one of them. The heart-to-heart between Graham and Yaz was excellent, but ultimately lost in the busy story. When I was watching, my thought just as the scene was ending was this phrase exactly; That was a missed opportunity. They rushed through it.

Regarding the story itself; It’s possible that Brendan is The Doctor. He may have hidden his regeneration energy in that carriage clock. The Doctor can use The Chameleon Arch to store the regeneration energy while living as a human for extended periods. The Doctor’s memory is temporarily replaced with a sort of pre-loaded memory. Ruth hid hers in a fire alarm earlier this year. In Human Nature, the 10th Doctor hid his in a pocket watch. When they shock Brendan to erase his memory, he has that carriage clock with him.

If I had to guess, The Division may be what the Time Lords called the gap of time where they blocked the history of Gallifrey. It could also be the name of the branch of their government that oversaw the blocking.
If The Doctor is the timeless child, it does seem like she’s immortal. I don’t have a problem with that at all. To me, that lessens the feel of the forced & poorly handled rewrite after 11 when they realized the show would go beyond 12 actors. That may have seemed like more than enough in the 1960s when it’s safe to assume they couldn’t have imagined the show would still be on the air and going even stronger 50 years later.

Having The Doctor be the source of all regeneration, including The Master, works really well into why he hates her so much. No matter what he ever accomplishes or creates – it’s all because of her. That might just push someone to the edge of sanity. Worth keeping in mind; The Master could have been lying. Brendan may be the Timeless Child.

Personally, I’m hoping it’s her. Not to get way nerdy, but in the episode from 1976, The Brain of Morbius, the 4th Doctor sees a lot of faces of his past that had been hidden from him. That part of the current season-ender isn’t really a change. They just decided to bring it back properly and make it a major part of the story.

They show the faces of Morbius in Jodie’s flashback as she’s breaking away from the matrix. At the very least, whatever becomes of this story line – which I really like – they’ve canonized the Faces of Morbius. Personally, I’m all for this for two reasons. One, it’s been hinted at before (1976) so it’s not a rewrite. Two; The Doctor should be more than just another time lord who happens to travel around. She should be special, bigger than imagination, one of a kind, and most of all, a mystery.

I don’t want to know everything about her. I like that she’s bigger than me and my world. For me, this expansion has returned the mystery to The Doctor. It’s the same as the way Rogue One returned the mystery to The Force.

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#1325752
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Leigh Brackett's first draft of Empire
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One of the earliest of her versions is discussed here;

https://starwarz.com/tbone/the-empire-strikes-back-first-draft-by-leigh-brackett/

It’s the version with her handwritten notes most of us have seen. I found another article stating the full longhand version is at a New Mexico university. Until I can confirm there’s any truth to it, I wait on the link.

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#1325593
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Doctor Who
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You mean other than all those dead people? 😉

My post on the Doctor Who board:

Enjoyed it and thought the TARDIS crew was well served and played. A question, a thought, and a speculation, if you’ll humor me.

Question; Who is Yazmin’s enigmatic and “a bit different” person? It could be either The Doctor or Ryan. Perhaps she’s developed a sort of crush on either. Could be interesting in the coming episodes.

Thought; Jodie may have had her best moment yet when speaking to Byron and shunning his advances. Loved her quick correction of “Just the Doctor” and when she says “Go for it”! She is in total command of the character now. LOVE her confidence and control. It’s both interesting and quite alluring. She was borderline seductive in that scene. swoon

Speculation; Ryan may not be with us much longer. He’s sort of being shown as someone who is at odds with The Doctor, as well as starting to doubt the importance of their journey. He’s questioned it earlier this year. Maybe there will be a sort of mutually agreeable parting between him and the Doctor.

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#1325324
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Pattinson confirmed as Batman.
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First look.
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/batman-suit-robert-pattinson-matt-reeves-1203503756/

Not crazy about the sigal being a device, but we’re so far from release there’s no way of knowing what’s going to be the final product. I love what Reeves has done with Planet Of The Apes, so I’m optimistic that we’ll get a solid story. I think Pattinson is perfect for the part. This is the first Batman film I’ve looked forward to seeing in decades. Fingers crossed.

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#1324668
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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FreezingTNT2 said:

There were many things the writers could’ve done with her, like having her hunt down Finn and Rose on Canto Bight as they are looking for the code-breaker.

I think that would have been a fantastic part of the story. Give her some depth as an angry captain going AWOL to hunt down a couple who she feels outsmarted her. Great idea. Would have also made the casino story much more interesting and meaningful.