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#315069
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"10 most overhyped movie flops of all time" article on MSN..."
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"Star Wars" Episodes 1-3 (1999, 2002, 2005) Technically, "The Phantom Menace," "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith" were all big moneymaking hits. But at what cost? The unstoppable "Star Wars" marketing machine and a generation's worth of anticipation meant that everyone was curious, but as each subsequent film revealed the depths of mediocrity to which George Lucas' vision had sunk, showing up at the theater every few years began to feel like volunteering to have your hopes and dreams sucked out of you. Even the original trilogy was retroactively damaged by these lousy, unimaginative films. Way to kill the force, dude."


Well put.
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#314842
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Will your interest in the Star Wars universe be affected...
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C3PX said:

I stuck around not because of any interest in Star Wars, but the whole idea of film preservation and the knowledge of film and video editing


Man, that's another area where this board improved my world (film audio technology) - and not just my Star Wars world.

When I was a kid, I used to make audio cassettes of films so I could listen to them. It was easy. My laserdisc player was hooked into my amplifier just as my Teac cassette deck was. Put on the laserdisc, put in the Maxell tape - 60 min UDXL II (nothing but the best back then http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/smileage/wink.gif ) and push play & rec.

I would listen to films on long motorcycle trips(Walkman) or in my car on long commutes. After I made the switch to digital media, all that old technology was eventually lost. Decades passed before I was able to do that same thing with modern technology and it was members of this board that helped me with that - by putting me on to DVD Audio Extractor. Now I once again have a large library of film audio for long trips - and in multiple formats (CD, MP3, WAV) depending on where I'll be listening to them.

So, even though my Star Wars world is in its final state, my ability to listen to it probably isn't. And it will most likely be members of this board that know about the latest technological developments before I do. I'll be sticking around.
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#314793
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Indiana Jones IV
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C3PX said:

... a good pre-emtive counter strike to all the criticism he is obviously expecting to get over this thing.


I think that's it exactly.
It's two-fold approach for him. He gets to look as though he isn't an egomaniac by appearing not to be bothered by a poor reception - and - he gets to feign shock at its success if it does well.


I have heard too many people defend the PT by saying that the OT was too much to live up too, that is BS....the PT suffered from being...really poorly written and executed


That's it in a nutshell.
Sequels aren't automatically bad. If they're done well, they can be just as good or better than the previous film\films, ie: Godfather II, Empire Strikes Back*, Casino Royale, Batman Begins, Two Towers.


*I like Star Wars better, but I'm in the minority. Empire was well done.
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#314679
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Will your interest in the Star Wars universe be affected...
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canofhumdingers said:

Anchorhead....you should really look into the Han Solo adventures by Brian Daley. All three books (which are collected into one nowadays) came out before ESB & have very much the same feeling as SOTME


There's no doubt I'll make that happen soon. After all, Brian Daley wrote the script for the NPR version of Star Wars - my Star Wars canon. I'd be shocked if I didn't dig the Han Solo adventures.
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#314678
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Will your interest in the Star Wars universe be affected...
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CO said:

...then nothing will bother me anymore that Lucas says or does, because what makes me happy is there for me to enjoy....


That's exactly how it is for me now with the NPR version. It's actually a very liberating feeling. No more concerns, headaches, disappointment, etc - just Star Wars the way I want to experience it from now on.
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#314620
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Will your interest in the Star Wars universe be affected...
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...if Star Wars ever ends up being properly released on DVD?

We touched on this briefly in another thread. I found the remarks interesting, so I thought I’d give it a separate discussion.

When I was reading the few comments in the other topic, I thought of how my own interest in the Star Wars universe had already settled into only five things. The original film, the original soundtrack, the NPR version of Star Wars, the published script of the NPR version, and Splinter Of The Mind’s Eye. My interest in anything film-related after 1977 had already waned in 1980 and it ended in 1983. That’s where it has remained ever since. It was my joining this forum in 2005 – originally looking for a way to transfer my laserdisc to DVD – that eventually expanded my Star Wars Universe to include the NPR version and SOTME. I had long since forgotten about them, nor had I ever heard or read either.

After the LD transfer of Star Wars was released on DVD, the Lucas insanity & lying that have long surrounded the it was again brought into focus and ended up pushing the original film from being my main interest. Instead, I found myself attracted to the depth, quality, and dedication-to-story that the NPR version offered.

Decades of Lucas’ blatant lying, constant changes (none of which I’ve seen), his disregard for the original film, and his smug attitude toward the fanbase have been the reasons I’ve “fallen from the pure faith”. I’ve not watched the original Star Wars since May of 2006. Once I listened to the NPR version, there was no turning back – it became my preferred way to experience Star Wars. I listen to it start-to-finish two or three times a year.

In answer to my own question, the release of a proper DVD version of Star Wars would not affect my interest in the Star Wars universe. It’s already settled into where it will forever remain; firmly rooted in the NPR version, the 1977 release, the original soundtrack, the NPR script, & SOTME - in that order. Oddly enough, four of the five things that comprise my Star Wars universe have little or no input from Lucas. An aspect that makes them that much better.

Truth is, I’m not even sure I would purchase a proper DVD version of Star Wars. I’m very content with my Star Wars universe. It will remain unchanged from now on. It will remain uncontaminated.

In a strange twist of fate, coming to this board to find a way to preserve the only Star Wars entity I had any interest in (1977 film), actually ended up introducing me to the very thing that would replace it (NPR version). For that, I’m very grateful.
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#313990
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So... your opinion of how much Lucas really had planned out?
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Lucas had only this planned out:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/Star_Wars-one-sheet_L-01.jpg

All the universe-shrinking, story-shrinking plot twists (Father Vader, sister Leia, etc) were invented later, on the fly.

Lucas can't seem to grasp the fact that many of us were there in the 70s. We remember what he said, we remember what was written, we remember what we saw.

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com – Give it a read George. Maybe it will jog your memory.
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#313987
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Splinter Of The Mind's Eye - review and thoughts.
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auximenies said:


There is no narrative of Vader shutting down the droids. We are aware that it happened because Vader tells Luke: "As for your 'droids, they are conditioned to obey orders. I had them turn themselves off."


That's the method I was referencing. That's why I didn't quote a specific passage. I was just pointing out that he commanded them to shut down - as opposed to something more involved.
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#313632
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(SPOILER) new "STAR TREK" 2009 spoiler thread (SPOILER)
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I'm a big fan of some Star Trek (TOS, TNG, & a few of the films). I didn't follow the DSN, Voyager, or Enterprise shows. I never saw a full episode of any of them.

After the last 3 films, I lost interest in following Star Trek anymore. In fact, Insurrection was so terrible that I never bothered seeing Nemesis. Star Trek and I had officially parted ways. For me, that's when Star Trek settled in at TOS, TNG, & a few of the films

That said, this new film has definitely piqued my interest. It looks to be back to the basics. Here's hoping.
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#306851
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Fall to the Dark Side?
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Originally posted by: CO
Coppola showed in one movie, with a series of flashbacks, a more compelling character study as to how one rises to power and eventually kills to acquire that power in Godfather II (Vito Corleone). This is the ultimate storytelling as to less is more.


I'd add to that the fall of Michael Corleone in The Godfather. He's an honest guy at the beginning of the film. He's college educated, serves his country in the military, etc. He turns to evil completely by the end of the film.
He doesn't even resemble the person he was earlier in the story.

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#299356
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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Originally posted by: Mike O

Also, he couldn't be more wrong. These days, networks - broadcast and cable - are taking more chances and writing\shooting\presenting outside the little box more than they ever have before.


I don't really think that this is true at all, given the current state of Hollywood's endlessly recycling idea machine, but even if it is, I still think that there would be no reason for them to purchase 100+ episodes of anything. Maybe he should start thinking outside of HIS little square box.


I'm not talking about the ideas Mike - I'm talking about the presentation and the use of the medium itself. Reality shows - prime time unedited interviews with political candidates - interactive game shows and contests with people texting in from home in real-time during the broadcast - cable stepping up it's productions to where it's now a major player - daily, live reports from war zones - cop shows so realistic that it's often times disturbing - episode formats such as 24 - adult cartoons, etc, etc.

Mike, TV of 2007 doesn't even resemble TV of ten or fifteen years ago. Networks let go of little square box a long time ago. Cable tested the water with series like The Sopranos and movies like Angels In America. Once people realized how awesome TV could really be, there was no turning back.

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#299306
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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Originally posted by: see you auntie
More Lucas musings on the live action series http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-starwars17oct17,0,6734523.story?coll=la-home-center


From the article:

"They are having a hard time," Lucas said. "They're saying, 'This doesn't fit into our little square boxes..."

What an arrogant statement coming from a guy who (while trying to expand his one story, on the fly) could only come up with having every character somehow end up being related to one or more of the other characters. He turned a giant, mysterious universe into The Wizard Of Oz.
Man, talk about a little square box.

Also, he couldn't be more wrong. These days, networks - broadcast and cable - are taking more chances and writing\shooting\presenting outside the little box more than they ever have before.

He really is the same guy he's always been. If he doesn't get exactly what he wants, he just digs his heels in and tells everyone else they're the ones that are wrong. Emotionally, he's still a child - it's as if the words "no" or "we disagree" don't really make sense to him.

People can't have a different opinion than him either. They can only have a wrong opinion. A network turns him down and it is immediately because they think small (read incorrectly) - not because they have a valid or different opinion. He can't just say "ok, thank you for your time" - he has to mock them in a national publication. Again, more child-like behavior.

I'm shocked sometimes at how he can be so wrong and so arrogant.

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#299262
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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Originally posted by: CO
I think SW has lost its mystique, and if you want to call me out on that, and tell me to get over, you have every right to do it, but it is a shame Lucas didn't stop at ROTJ in 1983, and I think the SW & George Lucas would have been perceived a bit different.

But just think of how Lucas was perceived back in 1983? He was a god to all the SW fans, he was a wiz of Special Effects to the critics, and he was a financial genius for being the only director to ever finance his own movies and end up being a billonaire! I never heard in 1983 that Lucas can't write dialog, he can't direct actors, or that a SW movie was actually laughable.

Lucas had a mystique in 1983 the same way President Kennedy has one now, as he is considered a great US President by many yet he was only President for 2 1/2 years and never completed his term. He had a mystique the same James Dean and Marilyn Monroe had before they died prematurely, as fans just remember them in the prime, and never got to see them later in life if they were 60 or 70 years old, they will be remembered for their youth.


+1. Well put CO.

There have been a few TV sitcoms that quit when they were still strong. Each time, the actors\creators said they wanted to stop when the series were still good, still watchable. Leave at the top of their game, etc, etc.

The Prequels are what happen when you don't do that. Lucas should have quit when he was ahead.

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#297965
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"Lucas can't find home for Star Wars spin-off"
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Originally posted by: Mike O
...whatever it takes to get him to finally see that he's alienating his fans and get the OOT out there...

I don't think he's terribly concerned. There was a link on here some time ago to an interview with one of the animators on the prequels. In it, he mentioned something about worrying that his work wouldn’t please the fans or the studio. To which Lucas replied something along the lines of “you only have to worry about me liking it”.

Lucas has a child’s mentality. The Franchise is Lucas’ toy. If the other kids don’t play the way he wants to, he takes his toy and goes home. He’s severed ties with countless personnel and staff over the years – directors, writers, producers, executive producers, etc. He digs his heels in until someone comes along that wants to play with the toy so badly that they’ll let him make up the rules.

The cartoon will find a home eventually. On the off-chance that it doesn’t, he’ll release it on DVD or make it available for downloading from his site. After that, he’ll do as he’s been doing for decades – he’ll revise history and say it was what he really wanted all along. “MM!! - *stomps foot* – I didn’t want to play in your yard anyway – I’m taking my toy back to my house, stupidhead”

… you can only burn the candle at both ends for so long before, well, pardon my language, but, nobody fucking cares. I think that it's his taking, even by his standards, attempts to milk the franchise, to ends that the networks don't want to to go to


I think it’s a very real possibility there’s some of that taking place. A bit of a Star Trek situation. How many times can you tell the same story, with the same (or similar) characters? We get it – prime directive, warp speed, cloaking, no emotions, humanoid aliens as crew members, a personal journey, etc, etc. You reach a saturation point, even with the hardcore fan base.
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#297562
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George Lucas to host showing of Star Wars "1977" for AFI's 40th anniversary.
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Originally posted by: CO
...but it sure won't end in 2008, and sadly people like myself will not get into the market until the war is over.
+1

Originally posted by: CO
The next change on Lucas's agenda: Raiders of the Lost Ark and having the guy with the sword throw it at Harrison Ford, so Indy can shoot in self defense!

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