It’ll be intriguing to see if they continue an arc into the next standalone film - maybe a character or two from Solo popping up, a continuation of The Crimson Dawn or Nefys Nest stories etc - in let’s say… a Fett or Kenobi ‘A Star Wars Story’ film… a mini-trilogy of sorts?
A direct Solo sequel? I hope so - though seemingly not. Books and comics may be the way for any continuance of the characters & events from Solo.
A Solo sequel that isn’t burdened with back story or crowded with characters would be great. I’d also love it if they moved off the saga completely. As for continuing characters, give me Enfys any day. She’s been one of my favorite characters in a long long time. Sorry the film was so weighed down as it took time away from her. She is a true non-saga character and has a really interesting mystery and depth. She’s an awesome Random. A character who could carry a story unrelated to The Saga.
You’re right though, I’m probably looking at EU to get my fix.
Also, the resistance is totally destroyed, leaving just a handful of folks in the MF. They even start calling themselves “rebels” by the end of the film.
I hope they take the story in an interesting and new way in Episode IX and flesh out some things.
Agree on both points. I hope they get us a ways away from the last film, visually as well as story. There were parts of this that had a Prequel look. Fine for a lot of this story, e.g., Canto Bight and Snoke’s red room, but I very much prefer the Rogue One and Solo look.
Story-wise, we’re deep into a sort of revisit of the OT type framework. That doesnt bother me as much as it does some around here, but I do wish they would have gone with a less is more philosophy. Both films would have worked as good or better (to me) if they would have left Starkiller Base, Snoke, and Phasma on the cutting room floor.
Either way, I’ll go see it and I suspect I won’t dislike it. I like Last Jedi more now after having watched it for the second and third times this week. Shut up. 😉
There are portions I skip though. I dont find any of that red throne room scene interesting, the Maz scene feels shoehorned and unnecessary, and I skip past most of the beginning and pick up just after Finn does the comedic leaking Bacta suit walk. eye roll
Glad I gave it a second look. There are some nuances with Rey and Luke that I really enjoy.
One thing that I’ve mentioned before that no one seems to really talk about is that Leia left the dice behind, presumably for Ben to find. It’s a small thing that tells me she’s still trying to reach out…
I agree. She’d know they would come in there looking for any survivors or clues to where they went. Since the film ends there, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him looking at them early in IX.
Rian made the tough but absolutely respectable decision to keep Fisher’s work in tact. Considering as I said, Luke refutes the statement, there’s nothing about Leia’s brief doubt that ruins a perfectly fitting last scene for the pair.
I agree. I think that’s one of the strongest, if not the strongest passages in the film. I took his “no one’s ever really gone” to mean no one is ever really gone because they live on in your memories of them. They live on in the way they were part of your journey. He says that as he’s giving her Han’s lucky dice. She must also have some fond memories of her son and he lives on that way, a pleasant way.
Finished my second viewing. Not much changed opinion-wise. I still think it’s at least two movies crammed into one and done so at the expense of both. Leia, Poe, Finn, and Rose could be one film. Luke, Rey, Chewie could be another. Not sure where Kylo fits in. I just don’t find him interesting. The Snoke and Phasma stories are just more needless cramming of partial ideas.
As a narrative, it’s all over the place. I’m fine with two story lines at once and I think Empire Strikes Back did it fantastically. Films and TV shows have been doing it for decades and doing it well. This felt jarring at times. The switches seem to come at odd places and kill the momentum and engagement. Also, there seems to be so many that none are given any room to grow and they end up feeling rushed. In fact, the whole film feels rushed to me.
I was better with the Ahch-To portion of the film. It wasn’t as foreign feeling. That said, I felt even more so that Rey is nearly a one-dimensional character now. Sort of an audience surrogate so Luke isn’t just standing on the shore conversing with the ocean. She becomes even more so as the film goes along. Hopefully IX will give her some depth. Daisy has the chops for it.
The Rose and Finn storyline still interested me and I think both are on their game here. As I said before, I really hope Ms Tran gets a substantial role in IX. She has much more to offer and definitely has the chops. She and Finn work well together. The Canto portion still looks and feels like Lucas Prequel to me. BB-8 shooting slot machine coins is terribly prequel. Same for the kids at the end. The last scene looks like it was shot on a Broadway stage. Their home, clothes, and makeup look fake dirty.
Liked the Crait portion even more than the first time. There are some great visuals and they aren’t the ones they may have intended, not for me anyway. I thought a lot of the darker shots, particularly some of 3PO and Luke were nicely done. Even if they were for just a few seconds, they still worked for me. I’ll try to post some screen-grabs. Overall, I don’t dislike it and will certainly watch several parts again.
Still like the Porgs. 😃
I’ll see how I feel now that it’s had time to steep. Starting my second viewing in 3…2…
Personally, I’d love it to involve Threepio and Artoo heading off together towards a twin-sunset, as Threepio then says “Come along BB-8!”, and he then excitedly rolls into view behind them as Artoo beeps and whistles approvingly…before we fade to the ‘iris’ and end credits.
I think that would be an awesome end scene. Particularly if it was just the one line. Give the scene room to breathe the same way Luke and the twin sunset did in 1977. It would be a perfect way to wrap up the original saga. The droids, old & new heading off into the sunset.
Since I’m already a ways down that road, that’s most likely how I’ll continue. No Apple Music service, just big storage at a local level.
Yes, its funny but more so pathetic that he takes random words from random people that seriously.
You should start choosing your words more carefully.
TV’s Frink said:
I don’t have any fancy solutions but I do everything physical. I don’t trust any cloud service.
- Everything is on my home PC.
- Everything is backed up to two separate external HDs (one at home, one at work).
- Everything is on my phone, which is how I actually listen to it.
This is probably your best bet.
That’s exactly the setup I have now. It works well enough but it can be tedious to sit and rip cds all day at a laptop. I’m still looking at that if I go with the B2, but I’m really just wanting to get away from Apple a bit and move toward a non-Apple cloud (Jason’s Google Play) or a physical device other than a laptop or my iPhone.
I’m not chunking any of my physical media so redundant backups are a precaution, not my only source files. The Sonos will be my access and control, but it’s not a storage system. I suspect I’ll just have to continue with Apple, move my music to their cloud, and use my phone or one of my Apple TVs as the interface for Sonos.
I’d rather my NAS not be a cloud or iTunes, but as is the case for my home computing, Apple got here first and I’m a long way in to bail now.
Thanks for the responses.
I’m looking to rip/sort/store/play my 1000+ CD collection. Do any of you have strong thoughts or personal experience with any hardware or services?
I’ve been looking at the B2. http://www.thebrennan.com
Also looking at Google Play.
I don’t listen to nearly all my music because I don’t always want to go through rows and rows of CDs to either rip and listen or put in the car for my work commute.
However, I wouldn’t mind doing that for a week or two around the clock if I could find a way to build a massive library, cloud or physical, and then access it via home entertainment devices. I’m using Sonos currently.
Thanks in advance.
I do have to wonder whether any of these complaints would actually exist if Rey, Holdo and Rose were men. There are issues to be discussed with the writing for sure, but I have a feeling the vocal minority still ranting about certain things would be silent.
Considering the issues with the PT have been discussed for almost two decades, and are still being discussed, I don’t believe that is the case. Star Wars fans in general obsess over Star Wars, whether the complaints involve males or females. I don’t see any difference between discussing the perception that TLJ is anti-male, or the perception that Lucas used racial stereotypes in TPM.
Thanks, Dre. You just saved me a lot of typing. Well put.
to be perfectly honest, i’ve never seen this group of men who can’t stand women in movies calling anyone a mary sue.
That would be my experience as well. The handful of mysoginists I know are much meaner about their dislike of female equality.
Whether they are openly misogynistic or just disrespectful of intelligent female equals, they don’t use terms that started in, or live in, the nerd community and blogosphere. They’re angrier than that.
No doubt the Disney era is more female friendly, but I’d stop short of saying they’re catering to girls. Including is more how I see it. There is a character for everyone now and I think that’s great. No reason why all cant be part of our nerddom.
If they were truly catering to girls, they’d be doing a Mara Jade anthology film or series and sticking to the way Zahn wrote her. Which, by the way, I would love to see.
In keeping with the ramifications of politics and culture on the Star Wars; I posted a link to a podcast review of Solo. The reviewer, sort of in passing, mentioned that it seemed like Kathleen Kennedy may be on her way out at Lucasfilm. I had not heard or read anything about that, nor have I seen any posts here.
I gave her a quick web search and it turns out that the story is making some noise. There is no shortage of sites now discussing her potential ouster, most just within the past 24 hours. These are known and respected sites, so I’m wondering if there may be more noise behind the scenes than we realize.
I don’t for a second think Disney would make that decision impulsively. However, given the fan backlash over the political correctness & messaging in TLJ (imagined or otherwise), as well as the bad reception of Solo, I wonder if there isn’t some truth to the rumor.
A long time friend of mine runs a pop culture site: Pop Culture Rewind. His podcast this month is his review of Solo. http://popculturerewind.com/e/pcr-92-so-so-for-solo/
He gave us a shoutout and has been a bit of a lurker on here. Several years of pop culture thoughts and casts to go through on his site if you have the time or inclination.
His Solo review is on par with the thoughts around here.
Shopping Maul said:
By the way I’m not at all refuting what you’re saying about your colleagues. But I can imagine a scenario where an old-time Bond fan might object to the notion of a black Moneypenny on pure canon grounds and not be coming from a racist standpoint at all. What’s frightening to me is that the current conversational style, which seems to favour outrage over substance, might not allow such a person to avoid being maligned without being heard fairly.
I didn’t take it that you were. I think your thoughts are probably more in line with the fan base in general, as opposed to our hyper-focused boards. Regarding my two examples; My friend is most certainly bothered by Moneypenny being black because she’s black, as opposed to just being a change. His racism, which he keeps somewhat in check around me, will eventually end our friendship. We came close this week, as well as having some very heated discussions in years past.
If another Star Wars comes out and is less blatant about inclusion-based changes, it will be telling to get his thoughts. As soon as we discuss Solo in depth, I’ll add to this thread.
The co-worker is very much a hothead xenophobe. His anger at Kennedy’s “agenda” is because it’s moving so far away from white male priveldge. He’s been spoken to about it from HR before.
My two examples are extremes, but they’re vocal extremes. Like some others who’ve posted here, the next couple of films will give us more data on the phenomenon. TLJ and Solo are too small a sample set, particularly because one is a recasting of an extremely popular character. That’s a different recast than Moneypenny or Dr. Smith (Lost In Space).
Shopping Maul said:
I’m talking about the surrounding conversation. Like I said earlier, to conflate not understanding a plot point with somehow being threatened by the idea of strong diverse characters is (mostly) nonsense, and the world at large needs to pull its head in with regard to all the fake outrage flying around.
Not much to add to the eloquent points already made, but I did want to address the two parts emphasized above (emphasis mine).
I cant speak for all fans I come across, but I can speak about two of them I know well. One is long-time friend of mine. A closet racist who is very much threatened by diversity and strength, particularly if it comes in the form of a woman. We’ve had some very heated discussions about it over the years. Two perfect examples are Moneypenny in the Craig-era Bond films and Finn. For the sake of clarity, I feel his racism is fear-based, not hate-based. Both are bad, but it’s his fear-based racism shaping his views on the current state of Star Wars.
He was very bothered by both Moneypenny and Finn, probably more than he wanted to let on. He’s someone who sees the changing complexion of our nation (America) as very concerning. He feels the same way about women in positions of power. He sees the concept of equality as a zero sum game. Every non-white male or any female who becomes respected or equal has somehow come at the expense of a white person somewhere, and by extension, himself.
Moneypenny was particularly bothersome to him because it was a character who had been white for decades. I’m not entirely sure he’s past it yet. When I told him I thought - and I’m a 007 nerd for 40+ years - she was far and away the best Moneypenny ever, he couldn’t understand why I wasn’t bothered by her. How could I not see it as pandering to “the left” and their political correctness? Political correctness that is lessening his position at the top of the food chain. Again - zero sum.
Finn fell into the same argument for him. Created and cast specifically as more pandering, more political correctness, and another way to empower, and by default (or design), allow other people to be included…zero sum. To him, the problem is part societal, part Kathleen Kennedy. We’ve had to bail on the discussions to salvage our friendship, but I suspect he’s convinced her position at the top of the organization is why the new films are so politically correct. A powerful woman using other women and minorities to force diversity. Diversity being the very thing that is reducing his power. We haven’t discussed Solo yet.
The other fan is someone with whom I work currently. Same company, different dept, different floor, but bothered enough by Solo to take the elevator ride up specifically to tell me he’s finished with Star Wars. First it was TLJ, which really angered him with all the diversity. Then came Solo, with that “stupid droid, which they had to make female” so they could push their equality message. He finished with something along the lines of “I’m done with it , done with Star Wars and Kathleen Kennedy pushing her agenda”
He had such hate in his voice when he said agenda. As bad or maybe worse than my friend was how he sees the problem not only as an erosion of his white male power, but also as an ongoing civil war with the Left. I don’t know him nearly as well, so I let a lot of that go because its a losing battle to try to have a meaningful conversation about it (with him).
My friend, on the other hand, is someone I still engage in the discussions over diversity because I think he’s at least bothered by the public perception of his views. Clearly not enough to address or confront them, but at least enough to know he’s on the wrong side of history. That said; it’s possible I’ll cut him lose one day. Forever battles are exhausting. On the off-chance it’s important to the overall discussion, my friend is 36 years old, the co-work is 40.
My point with all of this is that, while I agree there is a fair amount of feigned anger in our public discourse regarding Star Wars, I know of two examples personally where the anger is real.
The “dumb Asian woman” comment was pretty rude from me, I agree, but it was about the character, NOT about the actress.
I suspect that your inability to see the problem is the reason you are part of it.
I’m with Jay on this. I don’t buy the fatigue theory. I don’t know anyone who is tired of Star Wars. I do, however, know more than a handful of people who are angry at Disney for Last Jedi. They don’t like the Luke change and even more so, a great many of them don’t like what they see as the feminist agenda being pushed by Disney. No shortage of people here who couldn’t wait to trash Solo. Some didn’t even bother seeing it. They just want to post about how they hope it fails. Guess that will make them feel like they somehow won.
A co-worker came by my office just yesterday to complain about how Solo was following in that same vein of, as he put it; “Kathleen Kennedy pushing her stupid feminist agenda…I’m done with it”. He was angry that L3 was a woman. Seems not only is a strong female seen as a threat to some men, the voice of a strong woman is as well.
Toss in a healthy dose of racism and it gets even worse. Combine the two and you have a perfect storm. It was just in the news this week that Ms. Tran had to close her Instagram because of hate-filled trolling. Those insecure little pieces of shit for doing that to her. We aren’t immune from it here. We had and\or have plenty of members who were just as shitty to Ms Tran. Disgusting.
Not surprising considering our culture these days. It’s not enough to simply disagree, now someone with a differing opinion is an enemy that has to be defeated.
What bothers me even more than the vitriol is the fact that it could very well keep us from getting a second Han\Chewie film. One free of back story and more able to focus on an actual Han\Chewie adventure.
The next Saga installment will be very telling.
The Autistic Asexual said:
I’m gonna have to leave this forum because of the goddamn stupidity that you assholes spew from your shit-holes!!
Another post like that and I’ll make sure of it. Consider this a warning.
Regarding Alden as Solo;
I didn’t have a problem making the jump. He felt like Han to me, particularly as a younger man making his way. To use a backward example; Just after the cantina conversation in Star Wars when Han sort of finds humor in his good fortune, his demeanor when he says ”17,000?..those guys must really be desperate” sounds like something Alden-Solo would say and how he’d say it.
Alden really comes across as Solo as we first ever met him on Tatooine: A smug, but very capable, bullshitter. His call out of Beckett when he says ”either you heal really fast or…” also feels like Cantina Solo to me.
Quick thoughts, more after I let it simmer.
Overall, I enjoyed it. I particularly liked that it’s visually different from the rest of the franchise. The harsh grey monotone of Vandor was a welcome change. The ugliness of Cornelia and wherever Lando was were also nice changes visually.
I had no problem with any of the acting, well done Alden and Donald. For me, definitely nice to see Ms Clarke in anything other than GoT. Well done as a sort of GFFA Bond girl (not terribly trustworthy, but not inherently bad).
Maul bothered me only because it was so unnecessary. That felt like a way to keep him relative as a marketing and merchandise tie-in. It also kept the film from stepping out fully as a stand-alone. I felt the same way about 3PO and Walrus Man in Rogue One.
On that subject; I’ve never made any secret of my dislike of Phantom, but honestly, having seen it once back in ‘99 I’ve largely forgotten all of it. I saw a Solo review, maybe here, where someone said they knew it was him as soon as they heard his voice. Truth be told, I didn’t know he spoke in Phantom. He bothers me for what he represents much more than he does as a one dimensional hologram bad guy. She could have been talking to anyone. Maul felt like a Lucas-style gimmick to me.
No strong thoughts on L3 or any other supporting characters. The deaths were fitting for the in-universe story. Han, Chewie, and Lando live in a tough world.
Regarding the weird to-do about some sort of Lando sexuality issues: Didn’t see it. Seems like controversy for the sake of controversy. ?
Standouts as I was walking back to the car:
LOVED Enfys and all she was as a story and character, as well as the actress. I hope we see more of her someday. In fact, all of Savareen was probably my favorite portion of the movie. I really wanted it to end as they said goodbye to Enfys as they all went their separate ways. The end game of winning the Falcon felt tacked-on and very rushed. That could have been saved for a second film.
As Ive long suspected 😉 Chewie is my favorite part of Star Wars. Great to see him as a major player in this.
I like that the film was made at all and such a nice departure from the main saga.
Xim the Despot!