Anakin Starkiller

Because there’s actually someone on this planet (maybe) who ranks ROTS ahead of every other SW movie other than the original (yes, even ESB).

That’s me! I’m not blind to the flaws though. I guess what I like about it is it’s pivotal role in galactic history. Everything is so grand, and we see how good became bad, how Chancellor became Emperor, how Republic became Empire, and, of course, how Anakin became Vader. It fails miserably at that last bit, but the rest is handled fine. It’s dark, but not for its own sake. It’s because it had to be. It’s a tragedy, of course it’s gonna be dark, and it manages to convey that darkness beautifully. That’s not to say the film is devoid of lighter moments, though, as the opening rescue mission demonstrates. Yeah, the “humour” isn’t particularly funny, but the atmosphere is still good enough for me to overlook that.

Grievous isn’t completely unecessary, as he does provide someone for Obi-Wan to chase. His four lightsabers are. Might as well have called him General Overkill. Speaking of his name, while yes, it’s not the most inspired, it’s by no means the worst in SW (that honor goes to Savage Opress) and grievous is a word I’ve hardly, if ever heard used in its traditional context, so in practice, the fact that it’s an existing word pretty subtle. Now back to the topic of his four sabers, it’s not like they aren’t cool, but he doesn’t make good use of them, and the movie is already way too crammed with lightsaber duels. Every other film has one or maybe two. This film has five. There’s so many of them they even manage to have two going on at the same time!

Speaking of which, I like the Yoda versus Palpatine duel. Sure, it’s not really important in the grand scheme of things, out-of-universe, since we know both survived and don’t really have any tension between them to resolve. The thing is, it’s just cool to see the two strongest force users in the Galaxy duke it out. Granted, if I’d been in charge, I’d have left out lightsabers altogether and made it an over-the-top shonen-style fight to demonstrate their mastery of the Force. In the end the duel’s short, so it’s not like you have to put with it very long if you don’t like it.

The dialog is awful of course, but at three movies into the Prequels, that’s nothing knew. While “Love won’t save you; only my new powers can do that.” remains the cringiest line I’ve ever heard in anything, the movie at least provides substance to make up for it. Yes, the ending is rushed, and should’ve been better spread out, but what we got isn’t half bad imo. It’s leagues better than the prior installement in the saga.

HerekittykittyX said:

Dubbing anakin sounds amazing

It’s low in my priorities, atm. I’d need someone that sounds like Matt Lanter. If you’re that someone, let me know.

Like I’ve said before, I didn’t call myself Ender on this site to avoid confusion with a certain local Sith Lord. I then immediately regretted that decision. Even if I can’t manage to change my username (which I hope to), I will still refer to myself as Ender because that’s what I always go by on the Web (I don’t have the courage to introduce myself as such irl, but maybe some day). For all intents and purposes, it’s my name.

Here’s a preliminary version of a scene between Dooku and the Queen from my edit.

I’ve made a proof-of-concept preliminary version of one of the scenes that integrates Dooku in TPM. The idea for this scene comes from the edit Dawn of War.

snooker said:

My solution for the Dooku background problem:

Masking. Very time-consuming masking.

It takes a long time to get it looking convincing in motion.

My plan is to keep him on Geonosis. The only problems are Jango’s presence and the camera angle, and really, it’s debatable whether those are even problems.

Do you think looping the Queen saying “Padme” can work for the visuals of her conversation with Dooku?, cause’ that’s all I’ve got on her side. I heard recently that the Queen’s voice was digitally altered to sound different from Padme’s, so I hope I can figure out what exactly the alterations were and apply them to Padme’s lines from her conversation with Dooku. I mean, I already tried, but I’ll try again. It probably just sounds off 'cause she isn’t using a british accent.

TK42-WAN said:

The Viceroy could be made a hologram, then his location wouldn’t be an issue.

I thought of that, but that’d be just as time consuming as removing him, if not more. That said, it would at least work narratively, since he would still be part of the meeting.

It’s Ragnarok, not Ragnorak.

Thinking of adding that scene in ep2 with Dooku talking with the separatists in Geonosis and the short clip with that Muun as a Palatine flash back scene of Plagueis telling/teaching him about manipulation.

Part of what makes that scene work is that you never see Plagueis. It would ruin the mystery to have a clear shot of him like that, not to mention he would look silly. Besides, it’s totally pointless.

Forgot about that scene, but checking it now, the Queen doesn’t say a word. I’m looking for scenes where she speaks to interact with Dooku. I tried messing with some audio effects to try to get Padme’s voice from the original scene to sound like the Queen’s. I didn’t get any satisfactory results.

On the other hand, I’ve been making good progress getting Captain Panaka to say “A transmission from Count Dooku.” I used Windu saying “Count Dooku” with slight uppitching, though. The only word I’m missing is “from”.

I can’t find any footage of the Queen to use for her discussion with Dooku.

Also, how do you intend on implementing the Seperatist Council formation with Nute Gunray and Rune Haako present? They spend all of TPM on or above Naboo.

TK42-WAN said:

With Dooku, you could either film a hooded stand in or darken/ hide Sidious’s face, and dub him using dialogue from Clone Wars.

That’s what I initially intended to do for my edit, but then realized that wouldn’t line up with how he is depicted in the other films. He’s the public leader of the Seperatist, not a suspicious hooded figure.

crissrudd4554 said:

I think someone mentioned this but if we are to believe Force Ghosts can’t take what form they wish then how does Anakin, Shaw or Hayden, appear in Jedi robes he never had??

Excellent point. I was thinking about it when wondering what it would be like to have scarred Shaw as the ghost.

I tried creating that scene you spoke of between Dooku and Amidala. The deleted scene that serves as the base is shot from Dooku’s side, so the footage wouldn’t work for a scene of face-to-face communication. Besides, Jango’s in the shot. I tried working with the footage of Dooku talking to Obi-Wan, as it’s the only one with the kind of shots needed. I managed to find footage to go with the line “We don’t recognize the Republic out here.” Maybe the line “It’s a pity our paths had never crossed.” could be used too?

To be blunt, I think you’re trolling us.

Not this again. I got the same response when I proposed remaking the First and Second Doctor adventures from Doctor Who. Granted, in retrospective, it was a pretty terrible idea, but still.

Anyway, back to SW, I guess if you think ghosts can shapeshift, that’s fine. There’s no way I can prove otherwise. I guess if we’re just seeing what Luke sees based on his own expectations, he could’ve been what Luke figured Anakin looked like before the lava incident. However, I find it hard to believe Luke would never have seen actual pictures of him, so him just looking the way Luke expects would actually make Hayden an even more appropriate choice, since Luke would probably be oblivious to all the Tuskens, younglings, and other people he killed in that form.

I want to add Dooku to TPM. The way I envision it would require new footage of him. I’m thinking behind the blue blur (not this one) of a hologram, someone other than Christopher Lee could pull off the part convincingly. This hologram would replace that of Sidious in two scenes (the conference aboard the Donut (because as far as I’m concerned, that might as well be that ship’s name), and the conversation in the throne room). This would probably be supplemented by one or two clips from AotC to show you Dooku in person, albeit away from the action.

Long story short, I need someone to play the part of Count Dooku for a couple of scenes. While they will be blurred by being a hologram, they should at least somewhat resemble him (hence why I don’t want to play him myself). The costume is fairly simple, and all footage would of course be shot against a greenscreen.

I know I’m asking for a lot, but I figured it can’t hurt to try asking.

Possessed said:

My thoughts on reading this thread:

We’re there not already sufficient threads to discuss SE changes? Should all users create a new thread to post our thoughts on them? I want one too.

I’m still adjusting to OT.com. I’m used to reddit, where threads are quickly abandoned and everything new gets it’s own thread.

Also, I think Anakin Starkiller is feigning ignorance. No one can be this dense.

What’s this supposed to mean?

In regards to repetition, I just didn’t know what else to say. In retrospective, I suppose it was pointless, but what can I say; I was triggered. Anyway, at this point I can’t be bother to debate this anymore. Besides, like I said, there’s nothing more for me to add. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. In the meantime, I’ll be contemplating the feasibility of editing Shaw’s ghost to look like Vader unmasked.

Seriously, I cannot understand how Hayden’s face would be more logical than Shaw’s one.

Shaw’s face would actually be better…if it were bald and grey. Otherwise, Hayden makes more sense.

it’s a significantly smaller leap of logic to accept the Shaw ghost as Anakin Skywalker

I don’t see how it makes more sense for him to appear in a form he never had than one he did.

Please change the OT in the title to UOT. We all know Disney loves the OT, but this post is about them loving the original versions specifically.

Here’s a little something I put together yesterday.

That’s true, but I’m think he should say something like “Uh…yeah, sure…it’s totally her.” so as to make it painfully obvious to the audience that he’s lying while that fact goes completely over Luke’s head. Btw, I finished adding a laughtrack.

Bingowings said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Personally I’m making Dooku the main villain of the trilogy, replacing Sidious in many scenes, as it fits better in canon (although that’s not relevant in this thread), and will probably be easier to pull off.

It’s a radical shift in the story content of the PT. It’s relevent 😃

What I meant is that not contradicting canon doesn’t lend itself well to radical changes.