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Really interested to hear what people think about R1 who didn’t like TFA. This review has me once again leaning to not seeing any more fake SW movies:

<<<But the injunction not to ruin anyone’s good time by “revealing spoilers and detailed story points” is itself revealing, an indication of the meager and disposable pleasures this movie is meant to provide, and also of the low regard its makers have for the audience. It hasn’t always been this way, of course. The first “Star Wars” trilogy had a fresh, insurgent energy, and learning the names of all those planets and galactic adventurers has seemed, to generations of fans, like a new and special kind of fun.

Now, though, it is starting to feel like drudgery, a schoolbook exercise in a course of study that has no useful application and that will never end.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/movies/star-wars-rogue-one-review.html?_r=0

Tobar said:

‘Star Wars: Rogue One’ Replaces Its Composer

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, the first stand-alone movie in the Star Wars franchise, will be whistling a new tune.

Michael Giacchino, the composer behind such films as the Star Trek reboot and Pixar movies ranging from The Incredibles to Inside Out, will score the upcoming pic, stepping in for Alexandre Desplat, who was originally slated to work on the movie.

The recent reshoots are behind the switch, according to sources.

Rogue One underwent extensive reshoots this summer that saw writer Tony Gilroy take on a filmmaker role during the shoot and the postproduction process as Disney and Lucasfilm sought to clarify story and tonal issues for the pic that is set to open Dec. 16.

But the reshoots also altered the scoring calendar and Desplat, who won an Oscar for The Grand Budapest Hotel, was no longer available. Disney and Lucasfilm then turned to Giacchino, who has a long relationship with the studio and its various divisions.

For Pixar, the maestro created the music for Incredibles, Ratatouille, Up (for which he won an Oscar), Cars 2 and Inside Out. For its live-action film division, he has worked on Sky High, John Carter and Tomorrowland. For Disney Animation this year, Giacchino scored its surprise hit Zootopia. And he’s making his Marvel Studios debut with Doctor Strange, which opens Nov. 4. (With Rogue One, he will end up working for all four of Disney’s film arms.)

Giacchino also is a Star Wars fan and appeared as a storm trooper in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, directed by his pal J.J. Abrams and for whom he has scored films and television shows.

Giaachino will now become the first composer to work on a Star Wars movie other than the film series’ iconic mainstay, John Williams, who is slated to return for Star Wars: Episode VIII.

Source

The Disney-fying of Star Wars is now complete.

Well I didn’t judge the entire movie based off that screenshot, since I didn’t even know if it was Star Wars or not. But I disagree with your premise. If visuals give off different tones throughout the film, it stands to reason that either:

1. the director has no clue what he’s doing (a la prequels Lucas)
   or
2. 20 different people are writing the script and it’s just an amalgamation of a bunch of disparate ideas

TV’s Frink said:

That’s not from Star Wars.

Thank God for that.

[TV’s Frink said:]

Please tell me that’s not real. Some of the creature work in those screencaps on the last page looks good, but a few of them like this one belong in some G-rated animated flick.

Word is that half of the film was a re-shoot after the studio was not happy with it. Not always the case, but the vast majority of the time that is a really bad sign.

My source who has seen part of the film says it looks good but the writing is garbage. Just more nostaligia fanfic nonsense. Take it as you want.

SilverWook said:

Alderaan said:

SilverWook said:

The space battle at the end does feel like old school Star Wars though.

You mean the part where the 5 year old takes out an entire armada of ships with his nifty spinning trick? It’s a juvenile film that would be tolerable as a juvenile film without Jar Jar and the Gungans. Those guys just make it entirely unwatchable.

In all other respects though, TPM is superior to the other two prequels imo.

Old school in that it’s physical models and explosions. It’s only been fairly recently that CGI ships made me think I was looking at a real vehicle with weight to it. There’s one stardestroyer shot in the Rogue One trailer that had me believing the original model had been used.

Oh ok, gotcha.

SilverWook said:

The space battle at the end does feel like old school Star Wars though.

You mean the part where the 5 year old takes out an entire armada of ships with his nifty spinning trick? It’s a juvenile film that would be tolerable as a juvenile film without Jar Jar and the Gungans. Those guys just make it entirely unwatchable.

In all other respects though, TPM is superior to the other two prequels imo.

TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

Will not be posting again.

Good to see that you continue to betray your insecurities Fink!

MalàStrana said:

Alderaan said:

Saw this again the other day and it’s even worse now. Almost as bad as the prequels as time passes. Absolute garbage. Will not be watching it again.

Nonsense: the prequels are better than TFA. At least in TPM when Anakin meets Obi-Wan he’s not “oh, you’re Obi-Wan, really !” and “No way: Yoda !?! I thought you were a myth !” (with the weird Daisy Ridley squirrel face it’s even worse). At least Lucas tried to do something. He failed, but he tried. JJ failed without even trying to do something.

[I’m really not sure I already said I didn’t like TFA. Did I ?]

I think they are all terrible movies (the four of them), so it’s hard to rate one piece of garbage as less smelly than another piece of garbage. But I do think you’re right–at least Lucas tried to do something innovative even if he failed in horrific fashion. TFA, on the other hand, while not being incompetent or monotonously boring, WAS one of the least genuine and intellectually dishonest films I’ve ever seen. Absolute rubbish.

Lord Haseo said:
baffling

how cute

Saw this again the other day and it’s even worse now. Almost as bad as the prequels as time passes. Absolute garbage. Will not be watching it again.

Another thing I thought of: you could mess around with the playback speed on the Stargate. I was just doing this on my editing suite. The last scene when Colonel O’Neill steps through Stargate and returns home, you can lag the video a little at the beginning and then accelerate as it moves towards the end with the movements and music cues. Thought it looked pretty good that way.

One thing you can easily fix in the editing are the uneven supers. The HD version I just watched scrubbed out all of the original supers, which were mostly unnecessary, but I found it highly annoying that the “Giza, Egypt 1928” super was missing from the prologue.

Stargate: Force Awakens Style Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6VufGpgwXg

Shot for shot rip-off of a shot for shot rip-off. Love it!

After seeing Independence Day: Resurgence, this weekend, I just watched Stargate again. Really like it, and only Emmerich film that I think is any good. I don’t think the editing is the cause of any of the weaknesses in Stargate, so I doubt a fan edit would do any good, but good luck.

Biggest problems to me:

1. The film intimates that Catherine’s team had already decoded the first six ciphers on Stargate combination, and they only needed to figure out the seventh and final one. This is really, really stupid, because they could have just tried every cipher for the last symbol until the combination worked. I think in reality what happened is that they thought only six symbols were needed, and it was Daniel who made the discovery that the combination was seven symbols long. But the film messes this up, big time.

2. The soldiers who go through the Stargate with Colonel O’Neill and Jackson, those guys are really not believable as elite soldiers. Pretty much worst special ops team I’ve ever seen on film.

3. Daniel’s character doesn’t exhibit any vulnerabilities in the film, and I think this is really a mistake on the part of the director. Colonel O’Neill has the whole subplot of his son’s death, and there’s some real weakness for him there, but Daniel doesn’t have anything. People walk out of his speech and he just laughs at himself. The soldiers punch him and he just shrugs it off. They throw his belongings out into the open desert and he sits down and eats a candy bar. Really messed up on his character I think.

Finally, the story is not bold enough to embrace some horror elements and until the ending it doesn’t really have many moments of joy either. Emotional rollercoasters are necessary and lacking.

Not sure if you can fix any of these things with a post production edit and no new footage. But I still love the film regardless of it’s flaws, don’t understand how anyone can hate it at all.

imperialscum said:

One way or another, putting hope on the “profit” is delusional. As I already said, LF is making billions with each new film. Several millions of profits from potential release of theatrical versions is not even worth a consideration (profit-wise).

You guys can think whatever you want, but money is not the reason the OOT has been nixed. It has nothing to do with the distribution rights, either. The sole reason Disney has no plans to restore the OOT is because George Lucas doesn’t want it to happen. Kathleen Kennedy and his minions still run Lucasfilm. Lucas himself is the largest single living shareholder of Disney stock. It’s not going to happen as long as he is alive.

It’s been 4 years already. Let it go.

generalfrevious said:
At least Harmy asks people to buy the official release first.

I bought the VHS boxset in the 90s so I’m good then.

Lord Haseo said:

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:
Is that some sort of half assed way of endorsing that terrible joke?

No, I thought Silver was responding to me. I’m definitely not going to wade in on any bigoted nonsense. I was just in a bad mood yesterday upon hearing Lucasfilm has no plans to restore the OOT, and felt the appropriate response was to bash the rubbish films they continue to make.

Doesn’t Fox still have the rights to the OT until like 2020?

Ben Fritz at the Wall Street Journal says the Fox distribution rights issue is not a factor in whether or not Disney would restore the OOT…rather, George Lucas is still the major obstacle.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Alderaan said:

Rather than engage in speculation, I went ahead and actually contacted Ben Fritz at the Wall Street Journal. He specifically said that George Lucas is the reason why Disney/Lucasfilm has no plans to restore the OOT.

Is that what his knowledgeable source told him? For some reason I suspect that if he had a good source for that, it would’ve been included in the article.

I am sure he has many sources. He covers Disney for a living for one of the major news publications in the country. There should be little doubt he knows what goes on inside that company.

Rather than engage in speculation, I went ahead and actually contacted Ben Fritz at the Wall Street Journal. He specifically said that George Lucas is the reason why Disney/Lucasfilm has no plans to restore the OOT.

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Nobody knows nothin’.

Well, thanks for your omniscient wisdom lord Fink.

Meanwhile, I’m going to rely on factual reporting from people with well placed sources. Thanks.

Ben Fritz’s bio/resume/whatever says he covers Disney for a living, so the chances of Lucasfilm working on an OOT restoration are essentially zero right now.

TV’s Frink said:

Scott109 said:
Most action movies only portray a normal, stereotypical love story in which a male protagonist saves a damsel in distress, falls in love with her, and sleeps with her. Attack of the Clones portrays a much more emotionally complex and nuanced love story than any other film I have ever seen.

You should see more films.

Wow. Talk about the understatement of the century.