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There are a couple people here who seem to worship TFA on a TFN level though.
Thankfully, they mostly contain themselves to TFA thread.
This isn’t a conspiracy… we really wanted to love ALL of them.
That wasn’t true for me. Revenge of the Sith I just wanted to get it over with.
Well, if someone is a wannabe galactic Emperor, or severely overprotective parent whose kids could never do any wrong, yeah I guess I could see how they might prefer the prequels, regardless of how poorly and undramatic they were made.
For other people? Nah I just can’t see it.
FWIW, I wasn’t mocking you either. I was pointing out that your explanations were random, just like your order. You didn’t express any consistent reasoning as to why you liked films progressively better or worse in some particular order. It was more like:
“I like this film for this reason”
"I don’t like this film as much for this totally unrelated reason"
and so on
There is one obvious answer to why you ranked 4-8 the way you did, but you didn’t give that. It would be originality, or at least one person’s view of it. Star Wars has the most original characters as they were never in any other movie before, so it goes to the top. Rogue One has a few unoriginal characters, but not as many as the other sequels, really mostly new people, so therefore it’s #2. Empire Strikes Back has returning cast and whatnot, but it’s more original than the other sequels, and then they get progressively more derivative after that.
Obviously you just prequel fanboy’d those into 1-3, but at least this seems to explain your 4-8 reasoning.
I’m using Harmy’s Despecialized editions as a default for making my own custom set.
So far I’ve completed Star Wars, with the following SE alterations:
I’ve debated replacing the shot of the Falcon taking off from Tatooine too, but so far I haven’t done it. The increased speed and maneuverability makes the moment more dynamic and modern if you will, but I can’t get past the terribly artificial colors.
Right now I’m working on Empire, and so far I’ve noticed some matte shots on Hoth and from the Falcon cockpit over the asteroid that look pretty bad, similar to the sand barge backgrounds in Return of the Jedi. There are a lot of smaller corrections needed in this film though like Luke’s “this is it” right before he crashes, and 3PO’s dialogue getting drowned out on the original mix when the gang enters the carbon freezing chamber.
Also debating if I should replace the original Emperor hologram with Adywan’s, and how much of the SE alterations I should include from Cloud City. I hate the two SE shots that were screwed in right after Lando gives the evacuation order, and will definitely leave those OOT, but not sure about the rest.
Oh and finally, the “bring my shuttle sequence”. The one SE addition I really love was the added shot of Vader’s shuttle en route to the Executor. Everything else, including Vadar’s new dialogue, Vader boarding the shuttle, all of that is junk. But that quick shot of the shuttle in route while the music is really moving just adds to the emotion and pace. I think I saw on Adywan’s version he got it really right.
Different rods and cones in this thread.
No, you don’t understand. Frink and I don’t get along. You’ve brought us closer together.
Ryan-SWI said:
I’m not interested in disclosing what I do in real life here as it’s not relevant
I’m going to guess therapist?
Frink, you see? Random.
TV’s Frink said:
Alright, I’ll humor you. How did you get to this order?
He picked cards out of two hats. The prequels were in hat #1 and got picked first, so they came out in random order 1,2,3. The rest were all in hat #2.
These people are incompetent if they couldn’t think to have all of these expository scenes take place on the same planet. Apparently unity of composition is a concept none of them are familiar with.
As blatant as
"LOOK GUYS IT’S THE CHESS BOARD"
“LOOK GUYS IT’S THE TRAINING DROID”
"LOOK GUYS IT’S THE PARSEC LINE AGAIN"
No, not really, at least not on that level.
Yes, as bad as:
“LOOK GUYS IT’S THE YOU JUST WATCH YOURSELF GUY AND HIS PAL BUTTFACE PASSING THROUGH”
“LOOK GUYS IT’S JIMMY SMITS JUST STANDING THERE BUT AT LEAST HE WAS IN THAT ONE OTHER MOVIE”
“LOOK GUYS IT’S IMPERIAL WALKERS JUST BLOWING UP THEIR OWN BASE FOR NO GOOD REASON”
“LOOK GUYS IT’S A DROID TELLING US ABOUT THE ODDS AGAIN”
“LOOK GUYS THERE’S A SHOT THAT LOOKS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE ONE FROM DAGOBAH”
“LOOK GUYS THERE’S C3PO and R2D2 WHO DO NOTHING IN THE WHOLE MOVIE EXCEPT SAY HI WE’RE HERE”
Both TFA and R1 are guilty of all this nonsense rubbish. It’s not either/or.
HP. Lovecraft said:
Rouge one has none of these problems as far as I remember.
Orly?
Frink likes to pop up to make fun of people who have different opinions all the time, you get used to it after a while, no big deal.
You’re allowed to have a different opinion. Everyone else on the site is also allowed to mock you for having those terrible hot takes too.
Talent and craftsmanship may be the most important limiting factors when it comes to type and quality of films that a group of people can produce, but after talent and craft, what do you think matters most?
I would argue that it is vision.
Lucas originally wanted to make realistic but fun space operas that could tell wondrous stories with engaging characters through groundbreaking visuals. With Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi, that’s exactly what he achieved.
But what was George’s motivation when he made the prequels? Did he come out of retirement with the same aspirations he had in an earlier, more distant part of his life? Or did he come out of retirement simply to one-up James Cameron and his buddy Steven Spielberg’s Jurassic Park? Maybe his vision was simply to create CGI packed Dinosaur films with a lot of lowbrow “comedy”. Maybe that’s why virtually all emphasis in his prequel videos was focused on actors talking and sitting in front of green screens, while George and his pals colored in all kinds of computer-generated animations behind them.
Well anyway, most or all of us can agree that George Lucas’s vision for the prequels was a colossal failure. But what has been the vision of Disney and J.J. Abrams and, depending on who you ask, Gareth Edwards or Tony Gilroy, in these two new films? I guess some people like them for what they are, but I hope we can all agree that the Library of Congress ain’t gonna come callin’ anytime soon.
It seems like the vision of these films is to simply make as much money leaching off the original trilogy as possible. Regurgitate the classics, package them up with a University Admissions cast, throw in as much fan service as possible, and call it Star Wars, right? The RLM guys really hit on this with their Rogue One review, and I can’t understand why they don’t see that their same criticisms applied to The Force Awakens as well. There are some fans who love nostalgia. They enjoy “the good old days”. They take pleasure in being able to spot things in films that they recognize from other films. It makes them feel smart when that happens.
Then there are other fans who want to see something original. We want to see a film that tells a story that conveys real meaning. About something. About anything. If you want to tell a story that passes Star Wars off to a new generation, which is what I thought these new films were going to do, then that’s great. But tell a story about passing things off to the next generation then. Don’t tell the old story and just paste in new characters.
These last two movies are better than the prequels but they are not very good. The vision and the motivation and the desire on the part of the people involved is not in the right place. Probably the only people for who it is in the right place are some of the younger actors, which sometimes shines through to overcome the awful writing.
Tyrphanax said:
but the difference is that Rogue One and Civil War will still be decent movies.
No, they won’t be. One day you’ll be embarrassed you felt this way.
Empire Strikes Back still remains my top favorite Star Wars film
What I think Empire and most of the OT gets right is that it strives to be a serious, cinematic film, without jumping the shark and taking itself too seriously. It is still a fun and exciting movie, but there is real fillmaking magic in there as well.
Hardcore Legend, you succinctly managed to point out why the prequels suck. You can occasionally capture a silent, emotionless action shot that looks great for two or three seconds. The problem is, a GIF is not a movie.
The OT has moments like that too. But everything else the those movies are made of --like 99% of their entire running time-- is also enjoyable to watch.
As I’ve said before, I consider The Phantom Menace to be a good example of a 1990s sci-fi film, heavily laden with CGI but enjoyable entertaining silly fun nonetheless.
No
It’s also possible the Tantive had just docked with the Profundity to render aid, and retrieve the plans?
It’s also possible that a bad script written in the 2010s has no bearing on the inherent plot of a 1977 film. Just watch the originals and enjoy them for what they are. These new films are their own thing, and they don’t necessarily have to all match perfect with each other.
All these internet Siskel and Ebert wannabees really aren’t worth the time.
Sorry our opinion isn’t worth as much as yours or the next guy’s, Wook.
There’s a difference between preserving everything and being hyperbolic about it.
There’s also a difference between preserving the theatrical release of three of the most important movies made and preserving trailer shots and alternate takes from a different movie, while writing long essays about how much you hate it.
There is indeed a difference between preserving a finished, historically significant set of films, and preserving unfinished works-in-progress. I agree with you on that. But on your other point, this is a Star Wars forum, what else do you expect people to talk about? Your posts could use a lot less 3PO and a lot more content as far as I’m concerned.
Thanks Ronster. It took me about 2 seconds to figure out the Jyn/Yavin 4 interrogation scene was a reshoot. So much better in the trailer. There were a couple bad things in the first trailer but not many and overall it was way better than the final film.
Disney and their University Admissions Poster execs need to stay the **** out of these movies.
Ronster, maybe I’m being unfair to Edwards, I don’t know. I’m not really interested in going back and putting all these pieces together, nor I do have the time. But thanks to you and others who put in that legwork.
I’d like to know something. The direction in this film, or at least the final cut of the film, is terrible. I’m being harsh, and I hate it, but it really looks like the director was just pointing the camera at the actors with little or no thought at any interesting shots. The film is visually boring, from a cinematic standpoint.
Is that on Gilroy? Is that on Edwards? Or was it both?
I hated the camera work in this film.
Ronster said:
Too Many cooks?
Yep. That simple I think.
Thanks everyone for all of your help. I have both the AVCHD and MKV files for Empire Strikes Back Despecialized. I have also downloaded VLC player and watched the MKV file. So we’re all good there. What I’m trying to do now is import into Premiere Pro.
Premiere Pro does not recognize the MKV file, so I’ve been trying to convert it to MP4 with the VLC player. The status bar will go damn near until the end, but then it will freeze with a minute left, or sometimes as little as 13 seconds left. I pulled up the message box and it gives me a bunch of mux warnings for the entire conversion process, with the occasional debugs, but then at the end there is a whole list of debugs that pop up and everything stops.
If I go into my folders, I have a converted MP4 file, but it doesn’t play or read in anything.
Help converting this and importing to Premiere Pro? Thank you!