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#154691
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Was that really the first Death Star in ROTS?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154691/action/topic#154691
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Your theory also makes perfect sense. People tend to forget that time in Star Wars may not always be as seen in screen. The book your friend was referring to was actually written in the 90's, well before ROTS. It is a coicidence that that book could go so well with ROTS. Here is are the two images: one from ROTS, and the other is the drawing made in the EU .

Revenge of the Sith
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/Adamwankenobi/VTS_07_7001.jpg

Jedi Search
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/Adamwankenobi/DS_prototype.jpg

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#154688
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Video Games - a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154688/action/topic#154688
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Originally posted by: Switch Radic
star wars Galaxies was okay when the hype was going on it, but it has since gone the way of the dodo. GTA3 is one of the most excessively viloent and profane games I have ever played in my life and believe me, i've been around. Games are supposed to be fun IMO, not a place where kids can learn a couple of new four letter words.


GTA3 was... a brilliant game. It and Galaxies have a certain quality to them that I have NEVER seen in any other game. Those two are the ONLY games I have ever been able to stay interested in, and stay interested in. There is, as you very well know, ALWAYS something to do. Always new things to discover. For instance, a quality of GTA3 that I enjoyed was the relative difficulty of learning to hly the dodo plane. And once you learned, you could go anywhere in Liberty City. And then there was the once-mysterious hidden city behind Shoreside Vale...
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#154685
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Ep. III DVD - Purple vertical line?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154685/action/topic#154685
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Originally posted by: iarwain
What you say about purple fringing makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!

Just one question: can you see the line in your computer with your disc?

If yes, couldn't they correct it? Isn't the disc "THX certified"?


I'm sure they could. They probably would say it was a "creative decision" if it really was a mistake, in order to cover their ass, just like they did for Luke having a green lightsaber in the ANH DVD.
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#154681
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Changes you want (or don't want) to the 2007 archival editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154681/action/topic#154681
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I don't know. He has said many times how much he respects the work of Alec Guiness and of how he plans to never do a CG Yoda for ESB and ROTJ. And I know you know the whole deal with him trying to get Frank Oz the academy award for it and all. Hm... maybe he just doesn't have the respect for certain actors, that he does for others.
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#154669
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Changes you want (or don't want) to the 2007 archival editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154669/action/topic#154669
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I certainly agree with you on the Greedo issue. That was a horrible idea to me, even seeing the SE's first as I did. It weakened Han in a way, as many have said. What he did for the DVD is a little more acceptable. I can barely grasp that they may have shot at the same time. Maybe Han knew Greedo was getting ready to shoot and was merely preparing, I don't know. Whatever the reason is, Lucas better have a good reason for it.

I also want to make it clear that I don't really have anything against anyone who likes the original versions, I can see why, as I explained above. I came here becuase, in addition to being interested in Garrett's work on ROTE, I am fascinated by the dedication and interest people have in preserving classic video, be it the OOT, the holiday special, the Star Tours ride video, non0-star wars projects such as Blade Runner, etc. Plus, this is an excellent place to discuss general Star Wars or non-star wars related topics, such as the issue with the death star I posted a few minutes ago. It really was a brilliant idea of Jay to create this site for everyone to gather, as it is an excellent source for those like-minded people interested in film preservation.
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#154664
Topic
Was that really the first Death Star in ROTS?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154664/action/topic#154664
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Well, the EU is considered canon. I'm looking for a reasonable explanation (films and EU combined), and I think that Lucas' explanation, combined with that of Anderson's, would work very well. Here's what I think: As the "Jedi Academy" books explain, a prototype death star was created to test how one would work, and to see how long it would take or something. Then, as Lucas said, once the actual first death star was beginning to be created, they had many supply problems and union disputes, which caused the process to go on for 19 years, until it was finally completed. And then when constructing the second death star, the Empire had worked out all of the problems, and could more easily and quickly create a new one in less time. Plus, you have the fact that they were using as many officers as possible to create the second one, as evidenced in the Vader/Jerjerrod conversation at the beginning of ROTJ, yet were still only half way finished, and were behind schedule.

By the way, here's a site at the Star Wars wiki which goes into details on this:

http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Death_Star_Prototype
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#154661
Topic
Was that really the first Death Star in ROTS?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154661/action/topic#154661
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I am wondering if one could comsider that Death Star at the end of ROTS the supposed "Death Star prototype," as discussed in Kevin J. Anderson's "Jedi Search" and "Champions of the Force." In the books, it is explained that a prototype was basically built before the actual first death star, and was hidden away in an unnown sector of the galaxy, where it was later destroyed by the New Republic. Now, it's interesting that these books were written a few years before ROTS, yet provide an excellent explanation for the 19 years it took to finish the actual death star. If you combine this explanation given by Anderson (which is considered canon by the way), with that of Lucas in the DVD commentary of "union disputes and supply problems," I think it would be fairly reasonable to say that that WAS in fact the prototype. See, originally, Anderson wrote the deal with the prototype in his books in an attempt to explain away the events in the Star Tours ride. He was attempting to make it canon, and he did. However, it works well now for ROTS as well. Until the 2007 book on the creation of the Death Star is produced (which SW.com reported was in the works a few months back), we won't have a complete answer.
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#154658
Topic
Changes you want (or don't want) to the 2007 archival editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154658/action/topic#154658
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Because I'm generally interested in the preservation of vintage star wars footage, including, but not limited to, the OOT. I signed the petition, as I think that for the sake of film history, and for the sake of those who grew up with it, the OOT needs to be on DVD. But, myself, I don't really prefer it. That's my opinion. I can see why others may prefer it, but I don't personally prefer it. So, yes, I support the site. (And by the way, the way by which I found this site was when I was doing a search for a Return of the Ewok bootleg, and found Garrett's version, here at the site.)
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#154634
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DVD: Return of the Ewok and Other Little Films (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154634/action/topic#154634
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005

how come you did'nt use the higher quality footage of fett chasing wicket from the official trilogy release.


I can answer that. Because that portion on the 2004 DVD blooper reel was of an alternate take of that scene. Higher quality, yes. But the goal in this project, I think, was to recreate the film in its original form, even if that meant a sacrifice of quality. For instance, I've noticed that in some sections (ex. the dressing room scenes), SW.com's version had clearer sounding dialogue, but used an alternate soundtrack in the background. In order to recreate the original, this good quality dialogue couldn't be used.
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#154631
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Changes you want (or don't want) to the 2007 archival editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154631/action/topic#154631
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Well, you are supposed to know who he is by then. In fact, you're supposed to know and hate him pretty damn well by the time you get to ESB. Seeing him there is not meant as an introduction, but to show the emperor for the first time since ROTS. And to respond to what theredbaron said, I just don't like inconsistency. As an example, I also saw the TPM puppett Yoda first, but I consider the Yoda from AOTC and ROTS way better, and more suitable for all the films, even though I saw TPM, ANH, ESB, and ROTJ Yoda before I saw the CG Yoda.
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#154554
Topic
Changes you want (or don't want) to the 2007 archival editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154554/action/topic#154554
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When I first saw ESB in 99', and up until the DVD's, I always hated the inconsistancy in actors. With Ian in TPM ROTJ, I always had wished to see him in ESB. And I got my wish! I also like the fact that he actually mentions Anakin Skywalker in the new dialogue, which even better ties the OT to the PT. It was the same situation with Fett's voice. With a New Zealand accent iun AOTC, it only made sense that he didn't have that raspy voice he did in ESB, and had Temuerra Morrison's voice.
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#154455
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Changes you want (or don't want) to the 2007 archival editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154455/action/topic#154455
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I also found this interesting that someone posted at the IMDB:

Lucas WILL release all the films in a special boxset which is set to released in 2006 or more likely 2007 (A New Hope's 30th Anniversary). The biggest news is however that many more changes HAVE been made to the films (mainly episodes IV-VI).

Below are the details for every disk being released in the boxset containing all the films.

THE PHANTOM MENACE:
New Digital and Audio transfer
The Changes:-
1. Some of Jar Jar Binks's lines have been removed and some have been changed

2. Improved CGI backgrounds in certain scenes

3. Yoda's facial expressions are now mostly CGI (body still puppet)

4. Darth Sidious digitally shadowed so his face is more hidden

5. A scene has been added where Qui-Gon lectures Obi-Wan about the importance of his lightsaber (filmed during episode I)

6. Several short shots have been added at various points in the film of the Naboo labour camps and people suffering in them (filmed during episode III)

7. During the underwater journey, the second Sando monster attack with a Colo Claw fish has been cut

Running Time Before: 133mins New Running Time: 132mins

Features:-
Slightly altered audio commentary (because film will be slightly shorter)
Deleted Scenes
Original Theatrical Trailers
TV Spots
Duel Of The Fates Music Video Featuring John Williams
Collection of Photographs of Cast,Crew & Production


ATTACK OF THE CLONES:
New Digital and Audio transfer
The Changes:-
1. The Jedi Raid on the Droid Control ship has been completed and added to the film (orginal scene filmed during episode II, additional footage shot during episode III)

2. The noises Yoda makes while fighting Dooko have been changed

3. One of C-3PO's lines has been changed and another one has been removed

4. Darth Sidious digitally shadowed so his face is more hidden

5. When Mace Windu shows up on Genosis, the shots showing him slowly walk up to Dooku and Jango is cut.

6. A short scene has been added where Anakin talks with Owen Lars (filmed during episode II)

Running Time Before: 142mins New Running Time: 145mins

Features:-
Slightly longer audio commentary (because film will be slightly longer)
Deleted Scenes
Theatrical Teasers
Launch Trailer
TV Spots
Collection of Photographs of Cast,Crew & Production


REVENGE OF THE SITH:
The Additions:
1. A scene has been added where Yoda explains to Obi-Wan who erased Kamino from the Jedi files and that he is going to await contact on the planet Dagabah (filmed during episode III)

2. An extended battle on Kassakk that shows more battling & Yoda and Chewbacca fighting (filmed during episode III)

3. The Dooko Vs Anakin & Obi-Wan duel is slighly longer (filmed during episode III)

Running Time Before: 140mins New Running Time: 144mins

Features:-
Audio commentary
Deleted Scenes
Theatrical Trailers
TV Spots
John Williams Music Video
Collection of Photographs of Cast,Crew & Production

EPISODES I-III BONUS DISK:
'From Dreams to Reality' (in depth making of the Prequel Trilogy including interviews with George Lucas, Rick Macallum, John Williams, Ewan Mc Gregor, Natalie Portman, Hayden Christian, Samuel L. Jackson, Frank Oz, Anthony Daniels & Christopher Lee) It runs at about 2hrs 40mins

Preview of 'Clone Wars 3D' television series

Blooper Reel (over 6 & a half mins)

'Extending the Saga' (an in-depth look at how the Lucas's original plot for Star Wars has changed)

'CGI'ing the Movies' (an in-depth look at how CGI has had a dramatic effect on the Prequel Trilogy)

'Saber Fights' (A documentary regarding all the lightsaber fights in the Prequel Trilogy. Presented by Nick Gillard)

R2-D2: Beneath the Dome

'The Fans’ (Documentary on how Star Wars has created generations of fans, how it's affected their lives and how fans have expanded the Saga with the likes of fan films, fan fiction & fan art)

44 Web-Docs chronicling the making of the Prequel Trilogy: 12 from Episode I, 12 from Episode II and 20 from Episode III

Exclusive DVD-ROM Content


A NEW HOPE:
New Digital and Audio transfer
The Changes:-
1. The 'Imperial March' music has been added to Vader's first appearance

2. When Obi-Wan is talking to Luke about his father Anakin’s theme music can heard in the background and when Obi-Wan starts talking about Vader it changes to the Imperial March

3. Luke’s lightsaber is blue throughout the film

4. In several scenes where creatures are seen (e.g. The Cantina) some have been replaced by creatures seen in the prequels

5. The bleeding arm Obi-Wan slices off a creature in the Cantina does not have blood seen on it

6. Just before the Death Star destroys Alderaan there is a new scene added where different places on the planet can be seen along with Bail Organa. Shots include Bail being warned of the Death Star, the destruction on the planet which includes massive earthquakes, fire and people frantically trying to escape, you see Bail looking up into the blackened sky before the planet totally blows up (filmed during episode III)

7. The Death Star’s computers and screens have been improved

8. The opening text crawl's last paragraph has changed slightly. The line 'headed by Governor Tarkin and the evil Sith lord Darth Vader' has been added into it.

9. Luke looks upset when Biggs dies and he sheds a tear (all CGI & PRT)

10. The duel between Vader & Obi-Wan is roughly a minute longer as there are more shots of the lightsabers clashing and them moving about (done using CGI, PRT & Stuntmen playing Vader & Obi-Wan). Music has been added to the scene as well (details unknown yet)

11. Just before the medal ceremony at the end, a scene has been added where Vader lands his damaged ship on Coruscant to meet Palpatine. They discuss the destruction of the Death Star, Obi-Wan, & finding the Rebels (filmed during Episode III)

12. Vader's mask eyes remain black throughout the film and his suit is shinier.

13. John Williams has rescored the music for some of the scenes (details unknown yet apart from changes 1 & 2 in this list)

14. A shot of a Rebel ship crashing into Death Star has been removed and replaced with better effects

15. The Death Star's countdown timer has been altered so it is clear it is counting down from 30 minutes

16. The Millennium Falcon's dish has been added in shots where it is missing

17. C-3PO’s line 'there won't be an escape for the princess this time" has been changed to “there be no escape this time”

18. The 20th Century Fox Fanfare & Logo have been updated

19. The end credits have been updated

Running Time Before: 125mins New Running Time: 130mins

Features:-
Altered Audio Commentary (because of changes)
'A Completed Saga' (interview with George Lucas about the new changes to A New Hope, why he made them and comparing them to the previous versions)
6 Deleted Scenes
Theatrical Trailer
TV Spots
Collection of Photographs of Cast,Crew & Production


THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK:
New Digital and Audio transfer
The Changes:-
1. Some shots where Taun-taun’s can be seen have been changed so the Tuan-tuan’s have more movement and look more realistic

2. While the battle of Hoth is going on, Imperial ships land near the Rebel base and a few more shots of ships flying and being destroyed have been added

3. Some of the views of Bespin (for example the background where Luke is holding on to the metal poles beneath a building) have been improved to look more realistic and ships can be seen flying around in the distance

4. A scene has been added where Yoda is teaching Luke how to fight with a lightsaber made possible by Luke wearing a helmet while training (a stunt double plays him, Mark Hamill provides the voice although it is digitally dubbed)

5. The Wampa scenes have been edited and restored into the film as well as new scenes added. We see a Wampa being brought into the Rebel base and locked into a room with other Wampa’s. Later C-3PO rips the sign off the door the Wampa’s are behind stating their there and when the Stormtroopers enter the base they open the door only to be attacked by the Wampa’s who then can be seen escaping as the Millennium Falcon blasts off out of Hoth

6. Lightsaber effects improved

7. The sound of Luke’s lightasber turning off as he exits the cave has been removed

8. Some of Yoda's facial expressions have been improved with CGI

9. John Williams has rescored the music for some of the scenes (details unknown yet)

10. There is a line added and one changed in the hologram scene (details unknown yet)

11. The landscape of Dagobah through the fog has been extended using CGI.

12. In the opening text crawl the words “The evil lord Darth Vader” has changed to “The evil Sith Lord Darth Vader”

13. The line Vader says 'Set your course for the Hoth system, I am sure Skywalker is with them' has been changed to 'Set your course for the Hoth system, the rebels have no escape this time'

14. The Star Destroyer hanger Vader returns too has been altered as the surroundings have been changed with CGI.

15. The 20th Century Fox Fanfare & Logo have been updated

16. The end credits have been updated

Running Time Before: 129mins New Running Time: 134mins


Features:-
Altered Audio Commentary (because of changes)
'A Completed Saga' (interview with George Lucas about the new changes to The Empire Strikes Back, why he made them and comparing them to the previous versions)
3 Deleted Scenes
Theatrical Trailers
TV Spots
Collection of Photographs of Cast,Crew & Production


RETURN OF THE JEDI:
New Digital and Audio transfer
The Changes:
1. In the battle on Endor more Ewoks and Stormtroopers can be seen fighting and dieing and some parts of the battle have been edited out, members of Han’s team can be seen fighting as well (these scenes were shot during the production of Episode I, 7 years ago)

2. Vader uses the force to reclaim his lightasber after he throws it at Luke and the sound of him turning it on again has been removed

3. The lightasber duel between Luke and Vader is slightly longer (just more shots of clshing lightsabers)

4. The lightsaber effects have been improved

5. Vader has a flashback of Padme after his talk with Luke when he first meets him on Endor (filmed during Episode III)

6. Kashyyk & Utapau have been added to the end celebration scenes

7. Some of Yoda's facial expressions have been improved because of CGI

8. Boba Fett's scream has been changed

9. Chewbacca's Tarzan call has been removed and replaced with a different sound

10. John Williams has rescored the music for some of the scenes (details unknown yet)

11. Some of the battle shots have been cut and replaced with longer improved ones

12. Some shots with Ewoks are now partially CG (mainly facial expressions)

13. While Vader is watching the Emperor killing Luke we see and hear snippets of his life flash by (they include winning podrace, mother’s death, killing Dooko, kissing Padme, helping Sidious defeat Mace, dueling with Obi-Wan, being burned by lava, striking down Obi-Wan & Luke falling from a platform). The whole section adds about 20 seconds to that scene

14. Qui-Gon now appaers with the other ghosts after Luke turns away and the final shot of the film is now of them. (Apprantly the shot of Qui-Gon used in this scene is from episode I as Liam Neeson demanded lots of money to shoot this scene and one for episode III. Lucas decided not to use him so just had Yoda mention Qui-Gon in epsiode III and use a shot of him from episode I for his ghost.
IMAGES!
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9894/quigon12us.png (Qui-Gon appears and walks in to join the other ghosts)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5807/quigon21vv.png (He stands and looks on at with them)

15. The 20th Century Fox Fanfare & Logo have been updated

16. The end credits have been updated

Running Time Before: 135mins New Running Time: 138mins

Features:-
Altered Audio Commentary (because of changes)
'A Completed Saga' (interview with George Lucas about the new changes to Return of the Jedi, why he made them and comparing them to the previous versions)
Theatrical Trailers
TV Spots
4 Deleted Scenes
Collection of Photographs of Cast,Crew & Production


EPISODES IV-VI BONUS DISK:
'Empire of Dreams' (in depth making of the 0rginal Trilogy documentary that traces the evolution of Star Wars from a low-budget, labour-of-love space saga to a movie phenomenon that defied the odds and reinvented the rules. At its core, Empire of Dreams tells the story of an independent filmmaker who had to innovate and invent an entirely new way of creating motion pictures. Featuring all-new interviews with George Lucas and more than 40 members of the cast and crew from all three films, Empire of Dreams also includes appearances by a host of filmmakers and media personalities, along with never-before-seen behind-the-scenes footage from the making of the three films. This new documentary brings viewers the most comprehensive look at a pioneer who triumphed against the odds to create an enduring modern fairy tale that has captivated the world) It runs at about 2hrs 30mins

Blooper Reel (over 7 mins)

'The Birth of the Lightsaber' (Its unforgettable hum and scintillating glow are instantly recognizable around the world, and now viewers will discover the origins of this elegant weapon from a more civilized age. This documentary, devoted to the lightsaber, features insight from George Lucas, cast and crew into the history of the iconic laser sword. It showcases the genesis of the lightsaber stunt and special-effects work and illustrates how each film in the Star Wars saga has surpassed the previous one with spectacular action set pieces featuring the Jedi's most trusted weapon)

'The Characters of Star Wars' (An in-depth look at how favourite characters came to be, featuring rare concept art, behind-the-scenes footage and interviews with George Lucas and the cast and crew who shaped the screen's favorite heroes--Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, Han Solo, Chewbacca, R2-D2 and C-3PO--and the greatest villain of all, Darth Vader)

'The Force Is With Them: 'The Legacy of Star Wars' (Star Wars opened up a galaxy of possibilities to a generation of filmmakers and creative talents. Viewers will hear first-hand from some of the most notable filmmakers of our time about how influential the Star Wars movies have been to their lives)

‘Inspiration to an epic' (A look at the many inspirations George Lucas had to create the world of 'Star Wars')

Saga Trailer (A Trailer for the entire whole Saga)

15 Featureless: 4 from Episode IV chronicling storyline, design, costumes and visual effects, 5 from Episode v chronicling storyline, action scenes, fight sequences, darkness and love story,6 from Episode VI chronicling storyline, design, action scenes, ending the saga, visual effects and fight sequences

Exclusive DVD-ROM Content


Ever since the 1997 Special Editions speculation has grown that an ultimate edition of the films will be released at some time as the interviews below show:-

GEORGE LUCAS 1997:
Maltin: "Congratulations on the great success of the trilogy special editions at the worldwide box office and congratulations with the recent video release of the special editions. Before we begin to take on-line reader's questions, I would like to ask you one question about the trilogy: Is it now complete; exactly the way you want it?"

Lucas: "No, for the simple reason that a film is always an unfinished project. There is never enough time or money to make a film exactly the way you want it. There's always something that you can do to make it look better. We only had $ 10 million dollars to touch up A New Hope and there are still some things about it and the other two films that I would like to see changed and a couple of scenes that I may still want to add."

JOHN WILLIAMS:
“I am thrilled to have the chance to go back to something I composed in 1977 and be able to make the entire saga continuous theme-wise. Notably absent in the first movie is the Imperial March. Being able to insert that theme in the first movie will create a much stronger emotional flow throughout the Saga. After the release of Episode III George will enhance the original trilogy with additional scenes and special effects, adding my adjustments to the score this will seamlessly branch the entire Star Wars Saga into one massive romantic space opera. I think something of this magnitude has never been done before."

RICK MCCALLUM:
”Three years is a long time, but that’s how long it takes,” he said of the delayed transition. But what, you may ask, is taking up the time exactly? Well, never one to do things half-heartedly, Lucas isn’t happy with a DVD of the original edits, nor, it would seem, of the enhanced Special Editions. Having previously confessed to shooting a number of additional scenes for the original trilogy while filming Episode II and with many more to be lensed during the third prequel’s production, George has made it his mission to complete the story once and for all. And so, we asked, will this spanking new footage make its debut on the DVD releases when they finally arrive? “Absolutely,” confided McCallum with a conspiratorial grin."

The boxset set to be released in 2006/07 should be the ultimate editions of the films and the saga will once and for all be complete!


P.S-
A Prequel Trilogy Boxset has been confirmed to be released in 2006 with the new changes to the films (no date as yet)

The 'Revenge of the Sith' DVD released next month will NOT include the few changes to the films, it will be the theatrical version.

I've asked my source about the new Orginal Trilogy Boxset set to be released in December and all he knows is that it difinantly won't be the orignal theatrical versions or the 1997 Special Editions. He also stated that the films will not be changed again.

Once again the information I have is purely on the 6 Film 'Saga Boxset' and the changes to the films have been made for that and the Prequel Trilogy Boxset only, not the Orginal Trilogy boxset being released in Decmeber or the Revenge of the Sith DVD in November.


I assure you this information 100 percent true. Sources were previously found at the following websites and info will start reamerging on them soon: -
www.theforce.net
www.comingsoon.net
www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormill.html

The main bulk of info has been removed from these sites. Looks like Lucas's spy's are on the look-out.