Deepfake all Final Order crew with Palpatine’s face.
Now THIS is the kind of commitment I expect from a top-tier fan edit.
Here’s Poe’s intel briefing scene to the Resistance without any direct mentions of Palpatine:
I’m actually surprised how well that worked! I love that people are starting to piece things together for their edits. I feel like you’d still want to cut Merry’s/Charlie’s line about cloning. It already felt like it came out of left field and now that Palpatine isn’t even mentioned it’s just random.
They’re almost hybrid versions of each other already! But I’m glad you’re able to do that, and that you won’t have to start from scratch.
Hahaha, fair enough! Essentially I might just add Space Leia to Poppa’s. Maybe your Poe/Hux intro dialogue since I like the way it plays out better! Who knows what else - I’ll have to compare the change lists again. Absolutely non-essential changes but at this point, why not make it perfect for me?
That’s true, it has been implied since the OT. Still, I’d vote for a hint in the ST before TROS, just to remind the audience.
As someone who was never particularly offended by Leia’s space walk, I’m planning on creating a Poppa/Hal hybrid for personal use now that the “final” versions are complete.
If you would like that, then yes.
Here it is:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/103cYP-VZokJkrt4kLr8LJzZcWiFn0YQg/view?usp=sharing
I REALLY like this idea, however I’m not convinced that this is the way to execute it. For one, I had to watch the clip three times to fully understand the new dialogue. Also, a major issue I have with the original scene is the accent/voice of the alien and this new version seems to double down on that. I like the idea of just switching to an alien language with subtitles… it’s been a while since we’ve had some good subtitles in a Star War 😃
I read somewhere that in the novelisation, the Luke and Leia training fight was actually a flash back that Leia had at the start of the film.
That seems to be the case!
A quick summary of Chapter 2 for those who are interested:
(The following happens immediately after Rey rescues BB-8 and before her conversation with Leia)
I feel like including some establishing shots such as the ones being discussed in this thread, in addition to a matte with Vader’s castle before Kylo discovers the wayfinder would be adequate to flesh this scene out a bit. I feel like we’re on the right track given what’s being discussed!
If these posts are more annoying than helpful, let me know and I’ll stop. I just find the novel fascinating and a good source for inspiration!
I’m currently reading the novelization and since so much discussion on this thread has been about the opening of the movie, I figured I’d summarize the opening of the novel. It shifts some things around and provides a framework for how a potential fan edit could look. I’ll start with the first chapter:
Thoughts and feelings? I like that it begins the movie with Rey and Leia and then introduces the antagonist with less obvious footage and mystery (i.e. not immediately seeing Kylo and Palpatine interact).
What’s the line again? Isn’t it like they haven’t reported back yet? Maybe doesn’t make the most sense but arguably it makes going from that scene to the Falcon feel natural (again, I’m pretty sure this is where the scene was originally placed).
Yeah, that’s basically the line. The more I think about it I guess it could still work! It feels a little like we should already know what’s happening re: the Falcon but it makes the next transition make sense.
Yeah I feel like that’s important. In a film like Star Wars you have to be careful in how you transition from storyline to storyline. How the first act of TLJ is structured is a good example to look at. Going from Palpatine to Rey right after Rey is mentioned just makes more sense in terms of flow and keeps things focused on that main conflict to start out. I only worry about how the literal transition will work (in terms of music and visuals).
Here’s hoping it will work! Based on my limited messing around, I think it’s doable.
I’ve thought about it quite a bit and I think I’m going to move the Falcon’s mission to after Rey’s intro, training, and pep talk with Leia (“Never underestimate a droid”).
This is a great idea! I made a quick personal edit and it plays pretty well. Since we haven’t been introduced to the falcon yet in this cut, I feel like it’s (unfortunately) helpful to cut out Connix’s line with Leia if you go this route.
LOVE that it transitions from Palpatine to Rey rather than the crew on the Falcon.
First one is amazing! Definitely the most seamless addition of the deleted scene yet.
Sidenote: I just finished reading the screenplay for Duel of the Fates (until today I had only heard other people’s recaps) and damn, we’re definitely living in the darkest timeline. It’s by no means a masterpiece but I feel like J.J. and Terrio could have borrowed waaaaay more from it.
Sorry to get off topic; I just don’t know anyone IRL that gives a shit about this kinda stuff and I have so many emotions!
Definitely not an urgent question, but any progress re: the alternate version with the title? That would be my preferred version as well.
Here’s my attempt to clean up the background noise: https://mega.nz/#!bGZy2Sgb!nNUL-Fz75kM1s0M_2rzmGqhHPdttpCpQaGQ3xtloF_M
Also a version with some emulated plate reverb and a fade in the middle to minimize the remaining background noise: https://mega.nz/#!WHB2XSxD!hHFjBD_mZZQ_ZKpgPTl62xtMKZo7YCwvYFUCt_sZHsY
Wow, great work! Based on what I heard through my headphones the version with reverb makes individual words a little hard to pick out but overall it’s way cleaner! Part of me wonders if an impressionist could provide a better version of the line, but at that point you might as well just add any line you want!
I don’t follow every TROS thread so I apologize if this has already been posted elsewhere, but I’d suggest giving this a listen. Essentially it’s Ian McDiarmid saying a line from an old version of the script that pretty much confirms Palpatine is a clone. The line is: “More than a clone; less than a man.” He does it in character too, which is tight.
The audio definitely isn’t amazing, but perhaps some wizardry could be done to make it usable?
Nah, I wouldn’t remove it, I don’t think. Rose saw Finn transform into the hero she mistook him for at the start, get her medallion back, and demonstrate a willingness to give his all for the cause as her sister did.
I wouldn’t remove TROS’s kiss, neither. It’s like the only sexually charged anything the whole movie!
I see your point. Granted, I think the two kisses are wildly different in that only one of them was accompanied with sexual tension that built over multiple movies.
I’ll have to watch your edit again - maybe the removal of the “saving what we love” line paints the kiss in more of a “holy shit I almost died and I’m super fired up right now” kind of kiss.
Sorry if this was discussed before V3 was released and I missed it, but was there ever any consideration of removing Finn and Rose kissing?
If I remember correctly you had wanted to leave it in previous edits because no one knew what TROS would do with it, but now that we know that Finn and Rose definitely aren’t a thing, isn’t it kinda weird? I know Poppasketti did away with it by reworking the entire scene, but I’m wondering what your thought process was if you’re willing to elaborate!
Anyone here have the chance to read TROS: Visual Dictionary? It talks a lot about what has been happening on Exegol for the past few decades. I only read it once, but from what I remember, it’s not simply a matter of smuggling garbage onto the planet. I could type out what I remember but it would probably make the most sense for those who care to actually just read it for themselves.
V3 looks so promising! I’m definitely excited to give it a watch.
Quick suggestion: would it be worth trying to get rid of Luke’s “See ya 'round, kid” before his force projection disappears? It sets up an awesome additional encounter between Luke and Kylo (maybe a force ghost “haunting”) that they totally don’t follow through on in TROS. It’s an awesome line, but feels weird in the grand scheme of things.
Oh geez, this is nuts!!! Honestly, my gut reaction was “thanks, I hate it,” but the more I think about it, the mor I’m intrigued by the idea!
I think they only way it could work (for me at least) would be if it was more of a 3-in-2 edit a la edits of The Hobbit. I’ve accepted TROS for what it is and there’s too much in it at this point that I would miss if nearly all of it was cut.
I think TROS: Ascendant could still be a conservative edit that only tries to remove the significantly offensive material, while a 3-in-2 duology has the potential to be truly radical.
All the changes sound great, Hal! Glad to see those porgs getting the credit they deserve 😉
As far as the rathtar and no-look shots, I can go either way. I was originally an advocate for keeping the no-look because of Ben’s no-look in TROS but in the end it doesn’t really matter.
VD V3 - This is the way.
Though the repeated shot at the end definitely gets to me still. One repeat isn’t a big deal but two seems too obvious in my opinion. But perhaps its the only way to pull this off. I wonder if someone who hasn’t seen TLJ would even notice… Maybe my seasoned eyes are doing me a disservice.
@TheAlaskanSandman, that is super interesting and incredibly helpful! Thanks for the resources. And good news - I’m not colour blind 😃
I’m intrigued! The prequels could definitely do with a nice colour correction. I think you’ve got the right idea but some the colours don’t seem… accurate. Does that make sense? Definitely too much blue sometimes (as already mentioned) but other colours as well seem a little off. I wish I knew more about all of this to properly explain what I’m thinking. Don’t get me wrong, I’m loving what I’m seeing!
Keep up the good work!
If I skip rocks on the surface of a pond, the rock doesn’t bounce around to New York, Paris, or Tokyo.
Good point! Hadn’t considered that. It’s a cool visual but if you think too much about it the logic totally falls apart.
I hope it’s alright I’m posting so much! I just can’t stop thinking about this movie… I’ll just continue to throw out my ideas - take 'em or leave 'em.
A recent Reddit post (I think you’ve read it) hinted at the possibility of additional locations originally existing during the lightspeed skipping. If these were released as a deleted scene, would you consider keeping the skipping? I don’t love the scene per se, but I appreciate that it’s one of very few things that wasn’t retconned from TLJ. Honestly, I’m at the point where anything that makes this trilogy seem cohesive is a positive.
Also, I don’t mind Rey mentioning the sinking fields since it’s a reference to TFA, but maybe there’s already too many references to that movie.