Also, the magic cave in Dagobah was originally a location centered around a tree - thus in the shooting-script dialogue, Yoda speaks of Luke’s “failure at the tree”, a line which was changed in post.
^ It’s worth noting that until the Kepler probe started discovering such planets, many astronomers believed that for mathematics reasons, a planet couldn’t orbit both stars in a binary system in a stable orbit.
The universe is stranger than we can suppose, and all that.
That mountain scares me.
Lucas said it himself when he wrote a letter to the producers of Lost:
“Don’t tell anyone … but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories – let’s call them homages – and you’ve got a series.”
Source? (Not that I doubt it, but it’d be nice to have the proof for these very kinds of dscussions)
I read it in the L.A. Times, but it was carried by lots of reputable publications when he originally sent it.
“Don’t tell anyone,” Lucas said, writing a letter that got reported by newspapers across the globe.
Why does he try to kill him in the asteroid field and leaves only when he’s sure he died, though? Supposing this was part of the plan, I think Jango really wasn’t aware of it.
That’s the peril of not communicating the essentials of your plan to your underlings. ;D
Palpatine definitely wants the Jedi to find the clone army at Kamino, and he also wants the Jedi to be put into a situation where they have to use the army in battle, thus giving him control of a fifth column to subvert the Republic.
So - he has Dooku delete the planet Kamino from the Jedi Archives, but leave enough trace evidence to make it obvious to anyone looking that something’s fishy. He then orchestrates a scheme to get the Jedi interested in the planet: in this case by having Jango Fett use a Kamino saber-dart to kill the assassin sent for Padme.
(As an aside: Killing Padme not only would remove an obstacle to Palpatine in the Senate, it would also appease Nute Gunray’s anger over the events of TPM and cement him as an ally to Dooku’s puppet Confederation. But whether the plot succeeded or failed, it’s likely Jango had orders to take out Zam Wesell afterwards.)
Obi-Wan dutifully follows the clues from the saber-dart to the missing planet in the archives, to the actual planet Kamino, where he meets Jango in the flesh. Jango then goes to Geonosis specifically to lure Obi-Wan there, so that Dooku can take him prisoner.
Of course, the Jedi will naturally find out about Obi-Wan’s captivity, and it’s to be expected that they would do something to free him. In the era of TPM, a small team of elite Jedi (like Qui-gon) might have been sent to break him out stealthily - but as Palpatine has engineered matters, the Jedi Order now knows about the clone army. If you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Actually, though, it’s possible the Jedi did try a bit of their own legerdemain: sending a force of Jedi warriors under Mace Windu to free Obi-Wan. And should that fail, as it did since they were heavily outgunned, the clone army under Yoda would move in, just when the Geonosians thought triumph was in their hands.
But by using the clone army at all, the Jedi play into Palpatine’s schemes, by instigating what turns into the Clone War, thus putting an army of custom-bred clones with secret psychological progamming to destroy the Jedi into Republic service.
Plans within plans.
I never really noticed much difference in the costumes between the movies. The armor pieces in ANH look a little more metallic where in the later films they are just black.
When you investigate where the name came from, it is almost impossible to ignore Dark Father and the implication that he was someone’s father from the very beginning. Whose may have changed from draft to draft, but I think by the time it got to the production phase that he was Luke’s father from the outset. Two clues give this away to me. First, the lightsabers. The Anakin and Vader sabers are nearly identical. This may be a coincidence because of the source of the parts, but Kenobi’s saber is vastly different. Second, Alec Guinness delivers a masterful bit of acting just before he launches into the explanation of Luke’s father. Either that is the most awesome coincidence or George told him Ben was lying to Luke. It is just a quick change of expression, but it reads to me like Ben knew what he was about to tell Luke was a deliberately slanted point of view.
Lucas and the Star Wars production were famous about not revealing secrets so Lucas could have had the existing story (of 4, 5, 6) planned out from the outset with Luke and Leia being siblings and Vader/Anakin as their father. He just didn’t tell anyone who didn’t need to know and even then, not before they needed to know it. Like Prowse’s line on set “No, Luke, Obi-wan killed your father.” Prowse didn’t know. Only Mark Hammil, Lucas, and Kershner knew on the day of shooting and they only told Mark shortly before shooting. Leia being Luke’s sister would be another such item that Lucas would not tell anyone the real story until it was time.
Also, the saber duel on the lava planet was planned from the beginning. I knew about it very early on. Not sure when it was mentioned or how. Though it was originally just a volcano.
Nope. You’ve been drinking the Kool-Aid my friend. I believe that Vader and Anakin were separate people until like the 2nd draft of Empire. I haven’t gotten to the part of “Secret History of Star Wars” when Lucas decides to just cut out the sequel trilogy and have Luke’s secret sister just be revealed as Leia.
You’re both wrong.
And right.
^ Take the words “Anakin Skywalker” out of that post and I would agree with you.
SilverWook said:
Yeah, that’s the 70’s for you.
They did similar things with the Bionic Woman, but at least they gave her a fembot to fight.Jesus! No wonder my generation is such a mess. 😉
It’s hilarious Kenner never made a slave Leia, but the six breasted dancer in Jabba’s palace made it as far as a sculpted prototype. Somebody at Kenner was really pushing for that one?
It’s as close as they were likely to get to an Eccentrica Gallumbits figure. 😉
If they cast Solo correctly and stick to a serious story, A Han Solo stand-alone could be be really interesting. They need to stay away from the OT. The world is very aware of Han Solo and who he is as a person. We don’t need a bunch of name-checks or OT references. Something along the lines of the Brian Daley novels. Han Solo and Chewie long before we ever met them.
I’d go with Stars’ End and tweak it as necessary. Show us The Corporate Sector. Let us meet Jessa. That’s a perfect spot for a female lead. Nothing wrong with taking a break from The Empire, The Force, and The Sith for a few hours. I’d certainly welcome it.
Emma Stone in her natural blonde would make a great Jessa.
She’d probably make a better go of it than Chris Evans.
^ Exactly. Especially since it’s basically an adaptation of the 1974 rough draft.
You might be surprised. The 1973 Journal of the Whills fragment does after all mention a spaceship called Balmung, after Siegfried’s sword in the medieval German Nibelungenlied poem.
Of course, the prequels certainly did “plague us” with bad writing, so who knows?
My Sith Wars are completely realistic and have real-life parallels just like the Rebellion from the original trilogy was based on World War II and the American Revolution. I’m no historian, but I can’t think of a single war where a guy created two armies only to make them fight each other (simplest least convoluted Clone Wars explanation).
Well, there was that one time Satan rebelled in Heaven…
And theological connections vis-a-vis Palpatine do seem to have been on GL’s mind in the prequels. Darth Plagueis’ name, for instance, is a Paradise Lost reference.
I can’t tell what your first comment means. Are you saying the Rebellion is like Lucifer? (Lucifer became Satan AFTER rebelling) Do you think Lucifer created two armies and made them fight each other?
More like God in the backstory to the Bible, who created a host of angels who proceeded to divide into warring two camps - one made up of rebels led by Lucifer, the other of loyalists led by St. Michael - and fight each other. This kind of makes Palpatine comparable to the Gnostic idea of the Demiurge.
As I said above, the name “Darth Plagueis” comes from Milton’s poem Paradise Lost. Specifically, it comes from Book II, lines 170-174, where the demon Belial counsels against renewing war with Heaven on the grounds that God has terrifying powers of revenge:
What if the breath that kindl’d those grim fires
Awak’d should blow them into sevenfold rage
And plunge us in the flames? or from above
Should intermitted vengeance arm again
His red right hand to plague us?
The “red right hand” mentioned here is actually that of God. Compare Palpatine’s assertion that Plagueis could use the Force to create life in quasi-divine fashion. (Virgin birth, anyone?)
My Sith Wars are completely realistic and have real-life parallels just like the Rebellion from the original trilogy was based on World War II and the American Revolution. I’m no historian, but I can’t think of a single war where a guy created two armies only to make them fight each other (simplest least convoluted Clone Wars explanation).
Well, there was that one time Satan rebelled in Heaven…
And theological connections vis-a-vis Palpatine do seem to have been on GL’s mind in the prequels. Darth Plagueis’ name, for instance, is a Paradise Lost reference.
Why are you talking in ALL CAPS?
The show should be entirely in Japanese with subtitles.
ENGLISH
Seriously, I don’t speak Russian. I have a couple of friends who do, though.
IF WE WRENT SO DRUNK RIGHT NOW, WE'D POST SOMETHING
OH, WHAT THE FQ
I like this! The unpainted X-Wings are a nice balance between the used-future OT ships and the silver PT Naboo craft.
If the other two films in the prequels had used this sort of aesthetic for spaceships etc., we probably wouldn’t complain about them so much. Instead, we got the Invasion of the Greeblies.
The Seventies were a more extreme time.
Darths & Droids is currently doing the bit from ROTJ where Leia meets Wicket. The Ewoks are presented as Randians (ie, Objectivist free-market ideologues who rail against stormtrooper “Communist scum”).
Which is hilarious on multiple levels if you know what GL planned for the Yavin scenes in the 1974 rough draft.
Indeed. TFA was also originally titled The Ancient Fear, so this title as well might not stick.
Then who should I instant-message?
DISNEY SHOULD HAVE HIRED ME TO MAKE THE SEQUEL TRILOGY
I MAKE THE BEST TRILOGIES
ASK ANY TRILOGY IVE MADE
So far I count only two, and one of them you infected with gout.
So Diego Luna is playing Prince Caspian, and Donnie Yen’s character is a “spiritual warrior” whose name is Cheroot?
The big issue with Thunderball stems back to the fact that it was supposed to be the first film made and multiple scripts were written. The original story was created as a film treatment then abandoned. With all this previous work combined with a novel that is rather meandering at times it was perhaps not the film to make after thre massive success of Goldfinger. Here the producers literally were throwing in the kitchen sink and director Terrence Young could only do his best to get the thing finished as they set a hard and rather silly Xmas release date.
Peter Hunt had to somehow cut the 4 hour slow mess into what we have. So it could have been much much worse but here are plenty of Young flourishes to make T worthwhile.
Indeed.
"James Bond will return in THUNDERBALL"
– Closing credits, Dr. No
"James Bond will return in THUNDERBALL"
– Closing credits, From Russia With Love
"James Bond will return in THUNDERBALL"
– Closing credits, Goldfinger
