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Post: #110225
Topic: The Liam Neeson Mystery (spoilers within but questions answered)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110225/action/topic#110225
Time: 30-May-2005 4:04 PM

It actually reads as though some rather hammy dialogue was cut. Surprising, but in a good way.

Post: #110151
Topic: Help: looking for... Star Wars Ep1 and Ep2 - With Deleted Scenes Restored!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110151/action/topic#110151
Time: 30-May-2005 1:35 PM

Originally posted by: Darth188
What i'm ask is there any version released of ep1 and ep2 with the only changes made are the deleted scenes put back into them!
If not how can i make these?
help
hehe

I've actually done these but not gotten them into circulation yet.

Post: #110150
Topic: Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110150/action/topic#110150
Time: 30-May-2005 1:24 PM

can't and won't vote. I like the SE's, but mistakes were made in both versions, and improvements were made in both versions.

1997 good:
Inclusion of some Biggs footage.
Better music than Yub Nub to end the saga.
Restoring the Jabba scene in ANH was good in concept, but ...

1997 bad:
CG Jabba wasn't very good looking, and his dialogue was ultimately repetitive.
Luke's wussy scream in ESB

2004 Good:
CG Jabba was much better
getting rid of Luke's wussy scream
vastly improved Rancor compositing.
Ian McD playing the Emperor, but ...

2004 Bad:
Nonsensical dialogue added to Ian's scene in ESB. Couldn't just reshoot the same dialogue could they?
Bad title card in ANH
New Krayt call in ANH
Screwed up surround channels and missing Yavin fanfare in ANH
"Wesa Free" in ROTJ
Hayden Christensen ruining Anakin's redemption. ROTJ

Both versions bad:
Hokey robot/jawa slapstick in the Mos Eisley entrance
Greedo shooting first
Jedi Rocks

Post: #110146
Topic: Kashyyyk question - spoilers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110146/action/topic#110146
Time: 30-May-2005 7:04 AM

McCallum did say there was substantially more to the Wookiee subplot that was ultimately cut because it did not advance the central plot and because the movie was running quite long. I imagine, as is usually the case with Lucas' deleted scenes, that they would have actually helped the plot and would have made the Kashyyyk scenes seem less of fan-boy gratification. I suppose me might see on the DVD release, assuming these scenes get included in the supplements. After all, has anybody complained that at 148 minutes, the movie ran too long? Titanic in space my foot!

Post: #109629
Topic: Star Wars Episode 0?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109629/action/topic#109629
Time: 27-May-2005 10:40 AM

There already is an Episode Zero. It was marketed as Episode One.

Post: #109611
Topic: need a soundbyte, please
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109611/action/topic#109611
Time: 27-May-2005 9:46 AM

Google has turned up a fruitless search, but I'm looking for a soundbyte of the movie "The Kid" from Disney. Specifically, the "waaambulance" line.

If you can help, please PM me.

Post: #109367
Topic: Dominic Monaghan is an OOT fan!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109367/action/topic#109367
Time: 26-May-2005 2:56 PM

I wore my "Han Shot First" shirt to the premiere in Daytona and actually had some good-looking geek-ettes try to pick me up because of it. There are plenty of cool people who know how screwed up that change is. Now if only Harrison Ford would weigh in on the issue.

Post: #109094
Topic: Things you DID NOT like about Episode III
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109094/action/topic#109094
Time: 25-May-2005 6:49 PM

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
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Originally posted by: Anakin's Mannequin
Only C3PO's memory was wiped. When Organa issues the command, he only mentions it for the "protocol droid". Which also explains why R2D2 was so determined to get to Obi Wan in A New Hope.

OK so why didn't R2 tell him everything later? He promised not to?

C-3PO is pretty irresponsible and has diarreah of the mouth, willing to surrender at any turn. R2, on the other hand, can be trusted with the friggin plans to the Death Star. I always wondered if Lucas would not wipe R2's memory and I'm glad he didn't. I've always figured that the story we know was preserved by R2. The threat of his memory being wiped by Owen threatens to do more than lose the Death Star plans.

Post: #109088
Topic: The Emperor in ESB
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/109088/action/topic#109088
Time: 25-May-2005 6:25 PM

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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
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I've addressed this in my forthcoming IV and V. The whole thing makes better sense with what I did. Trust me

What did you do?

You'll all find out in the coming weeks. Not going to spoil it though. Not that big a deal, really, but I thought it was fun, creative, and respectful all at the same time. Dunno if you'll all agree but we'll see.

Post: #108957
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108957/action/topic#108957
Time: 25-May-2005 6:17 PM

I thought all 5.1 mixes had this screw-up, and that the reason so many foreign tracks sounded correct was because they were all 2.0 being (correctly) processed by Pro-Logic.

Grisan, are you around and can you confirm this?

MBJ (or anybody), if any dialog gets sent to the rears (I'm unsure if it does or not) that would be in a foreign language, which could make the mix that much more fun to dork around with.

I'm muxing now. I went with a hybid option of the existing 2004 rear stereo, rear dual mono AND 1997 rear stereo. Brought the levels down to a pretty close match.

For the DL version (which I'll probably knock out in the next week or so), I intend to make this custom mix, the pure 1997 mix, the pure 2004 crap mix, the 2004 stereo mix, AND another custom mix (I'm calling the heresy mix) available. I haven't done the latter yet, but I intend to.

I found something quite interesting while working on these. the 1997 mix and the two 2004 mixes don't quite synch up right. If you align them at the beginning, they're off by a couple of frames by the end. It's not noticible, even when you watch it, obviously, but I did find it curious.

Post: #108774
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108774/action/topic#108774
Time: 25-May-2005 1:58 PM

I'm wrapping up the sound mix and am trying to figure out what to do with the rear surround. I have both the 1997 and 2004 mixes, but it doesn't seem quite as simple as just plugging in the 97 rear. The mixes are quite different. Very little music is present in the The '97 mix. It is also lower in volume and has a good bit of analogue hiss present when you raise the volume to 2004 levels. Much more music is present in the 2004 channels, which, as we know, is screwed up.

Here are the options that I've considered, but wonder what others of you think:

1) Just put both mixes in together. This does very little to fix the swapped music problem so it's a crappy option to me.

2) Simply plug '97 rear where 2004 rear is. Not a great option because a lot more mixing is present in the 2004 version.

3) Run 2004 rear in dual mono (send both channels to both rear speakers). You lose the panning effect of the rear, but you still have an effective rear separate from center, right and left.

4) Run regular rear-stereo 2004 simultaneously with a copy of the same tracks, but with lowered volume and dual mono. This will normalize the music somewhat, but not all the way. Some of the instrumentation will balance out, but it will still be stronger in the wrong place. However, this will help preserve the FX somewhat as well. May be the best compromise.

5) The pain-in-the-ass method I was trying for a while where music-only cues were flip-flopped (to correct them), but cues with FX present were run as they were presented. Too damn much work for a half-baked solution.

I have mixed the old Krayt sound with a smidgeon of the new, restored the 1997 echoes in the chasm, the fanfare, and restored the "he's on your tail" line before Red 5 bites it.

Post: #108964
Topic: Things you DID NOT like about Episode III
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108964/action/topic#108964
Time: 25-May-2005 12:36 PM

In order of how much they bothered me:

#1) The incongruity between Padme's death and Leia remembering her in ROTJ.

#2) Anakin saying "What have I done?" after allowing Mace to get killed. This weakens his transformation to Vader a hundred-fold.

#3) Padme being medically fine but losing the will to live. No offense, but this line was clearly written by a man who has no biological children of his own. Those children would have given her a will to live. Cutting this line would have made it true that Anakin killed Padme.

#4) Palpatine's cheesy "Yes!" during the fight with Tyrannus.

#5) The voices of the battle droids and the Nemoidian in on Greivous' ship. Could they have been any less frightening?

#6) Lack of Qui-Gon. Dagobah really isn't necessary when you get right down to it.

There are other things I'd change too, but these really did detract from an otherwise awesome film (in my humble opinion).

Post: #108960
Topic: The Emperor in ESB
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108960/action/topic#108960
Time: 25-May-2005 12:22 PM

I've addressed this in my forthcoming IV and V. The whole thing makes better sense with what I did. Trust me.

Edit: The official 2004 ESB is not only at odds with the scroll, but also with Vaders line that goes to the effect "That is the system. Skywalker is with them."

Now that Ep III is out and there is no plot twist to justify the change in dialogue, it's just a dumbass continuity error on Lucas' part. I've fixed it.

Post: #108948
Topic: Happy Birthday, Star Wars!!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108948/action/topic#108948
Time: 25-May-2005 12:01 PM

My son's birthday too. Too cool he was born on the same day as Star Wars. AND the same day I finish my reedits.

Post: #108081
Topic: Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108081/action/topic#108081
Time: 23-May-2005 8:51 PM

I actually inserted a dream sequence into Ep II ... and I didn't know this was going to happen in Ep III. Now I only wish my dream sequence could match ... but whatever.

Post: #108087
Topic: Who thinks that George Lucas will release the OOT?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108087/action/topic#108087
Time: 23-May-2005 3:01 PM

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Originally posted by: WhiteKnight
With respect to Obi-Wan Spicoli, DVD stands for Digital “Video” Disc.

Technically it stands for Digital Versatile Disc. Quincy Jones saw to this to hype the aspects of DVD audio before the standard was finalized.

Post: #108082
Topic: Falcon is in ep3
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108082/action/topic#108082
Time: 23-May-2005 2:55 PM

I appreciate that Lucas' cameo was extremely understated. I caught it on second viewing only because I knew where to look and remembered to look for it. This wasn't like Boba Fett's appearance in the ANH SE (which, I myself, don't mind) or even the E.T.s in Ep I.

Post: #107876
Topic: Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107876/action/topic#107876
Time: 23-May-2005 1:31 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

Vader emphasizes this with the bounty hunters in ESB (though I think there's more emphasis placed on the fact that they are bounty hunters, as opposed to being non-human, save for one.)

Don't forget Dengar.

Post: #107873
Topic: Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107873/action/topic#107873
Time: 23-May-2005 1:27 PM

I always figured that he was, like Boba Fett, somebody simply who wasn't afraid to talk straight to Vader. Fett clearly has no power or authority over Vader, but he showed no fear of him either. Tarkin is much the same way. He has his turf, as does Vader. He's simply not afraid to let Vader know when he's going a little too far. And I think Vader respected those who had the balls to stand up to him but weren't idiots. Ozzel was an idiot and was killed for it. Same thing for Needa. Of course, they were responsible for Vader not getting his son back, not just regular back-talk.

By the way, in ANH, Tarkin is the Governor of the Outer Rim territories. I thought Motti was actually in charge of Death Star construction. Or was that Tagge? I get them mixed up.

Anyway, I do agree that the story could have benefitted more from additional exposition of Tarkin. I noticed the dialogue about the deleted scene where Palpatine gave more authority to the Governors and thought this directly addressed the Tarkin situation. Of course, Lucas is notorious for cutting info that advances plot and character development. But we got buzz droids! Lots and lots of buzz droids.

Post: #107993
Topic: ROTS: Palpatine's Master
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107993/action/topic#107993
Time: 23-May-2005 11:15 AM

This, like the possible "parenthood" of Anakin are definitely left up for interpretation. However, I agree that Ian played this so that you'd think Palpatine was the killer. That said, some earlier objections were raised about why the Jedi would keep this from Anakin, if the Jedi didn't know the Sith were around at that time or know the story. Overanalysis at its finest. Palpatine is using all types of deceit throughout this movie to lure Anakin to the Dark Side and pit him against the Jedi. The Jedi aren't hiding anything from him. They're actually quite upfront about their motives for putting him on the council. "Lies, deceit, creating mistrust" are the ways of the Sith.

For that matter, it's possible the story of Darth Plagueis creating life can be a total B.S. story Palpatine is throwing at Anakin, knowing Anakin's desire to keep those dear to him from dying. His mother (whom he told the story to) and now Padme, to whom he now senses Anakin's connection.

Post: #107885
Topic: Stages Of Accepting the Prequel Trilogy
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107885/action/topic#107885
Time: 23-May-2005 7:49 AM

Mark my words, the Lucas kids WILL make 7-9. It'll happen in 15-20 years, when most of us are crotchety old farts ourselves. I am more curious if they'll re-make the prequels, but I doubt it. I do think they will craft 7-9, and I have this inkling of hope that they'll be pretty decent movies, better than the prequels, but not as good as the OT.

If Lucas doesn't do it, they'll also release the unaltered OT onto the format of the day. Why am I so certain of this? Because they, too, will have a lifestyle to which they've become accustomed, and that lifestyle must be buoyed by income.

Post: #107881
Topic: RotS is Anti-Bush?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107881/action/topic#107881
Time: 23-May-2005 7:42 AM

If Bush manages to amend or override the constitution so that he stays in office past noon on January 20, 2009, then this is a discussion worth having. Until then, I think we do have a pretty good constitution that gives the populace the power to keep one person from weilding all the power or from staying in office past his term. I don't even think the Patriot Act granted Bush that kind of authority.

For the record, I do not support President Bush on 90% of his agenda. But a tyrant he isn't.

Post: #107379
Topic: Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107379/action/topic#107379
Time: 21-May-2005 11:04 PM

Here's what I've (re) written for III at this point. Since I have, like, six months to work on this, it may change of course. Especially if we find it won't fit. Hopefully it will fit just fine.
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Episode III
Revenge of the Sith

The Clone Wars have ravaged
the galaxy. The Republic is
crumbling under attacks from
Lord Darth Tyrannus, the
fallen Jedi Count Dooku.

In a stunning move, fiendish
leader of the Droid Army
General Grievous has swept into
the capital and kidnapped
Chancellor Palpatine, leader of
the Galactic Senate.

As the Separatists flee
with their valuable hostage,
Jedi Knights Obi-Wan Kenobi
and Anakin Skywalker lead a
desperate mission to rescue the
captive Chancellor...
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I think that this alternate version is important because:
1) it reiterates a very crucial point that was largely lost on non-die-hards in Ep II ... that Dooku is Lord Tyrannus, bringing clarity to who hired Jango and ordered the clones. Plus, it suggests that Tyrannus is now "out-in-the-open" as a Sith now that the war is on. (editorial note: Frankly, Lucas should have had his characters referring to "Lord Tyrannus" throughout the movie ... that's his Sith name. "Count Dooku" should no longer have any meaning to him.)
2) it establishes that Anakin is now a Knight and not a Padawan. Those who did not watch The Clone Wars cartoon probably need this bit of exposition before we see him without the Padawan hairdo.
3) I can't really figure out why Anakin and Obi-Wan weren't named in the crawl. Space, I assume, but hopefully I've made up for that in this rewrite.
4) The notion of heroes on both sides is blasphemy. Maybe that's the case in the real world, but in the world of escapist fantasy and fiction like Star Wars, you have your good guys and you have your bad guys. The line was utter bollocks ... and there was nothing in the plot to make me think that the bad guys were heroic. Greivous is called a coward who runs and hides. There aren't really any other "heroes" on the Separatist side ever mentioned.

Post: #107369
Topic: MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107369/action/topic#107369
Time: 21-May-2005 10:41 PM

Welcome to the Rebel Alliance gbm1138 ... and to the boards.

Post: #107361
Topic: Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107361/action/topic#107361
Time: 21-May-2005 9:53 PM

I pretty much know what I intend to take out in my re-edit:

The Crawl. I already have it written. There are not heroes on both sides. There are heroes, there are villians.
Battle Droid's voices. Especially the Super Battle Droids. Could they have sounded any less menacing?
The Neimoidian that sounded like a California surfer dude.
Palpatines cheesy "yes" line during the Dooku fight.
Jar Jar's one line. It's lifted from Ep I and sticks out like a sore thumb. I would have taken 10 good Jar Jar lines (if there is such a thing) for this one throwaway. 'Scuse me.
Padme's lone reference to being a senator, for consistency with my other edits.
Anakin's "What have I done" line after Mace's demise. He's made his decision by this point and shouldn't second guess himself.
Padme dying because she's losing the will to live. This is clearly written by a man who has no genetic children of his own. Children would have given Padme a reason to live. This is a simple fact of nature. Removing this line brings the story back to the simple notion that she survived long enough to birth the children, but died because of the wounds inflicted on her by Anakin. It underscores the monster that he became. Furthermore, it establishes that he made his own nightmare come true.

Now, if we could only get a definitive list of the deleted scenes that will be included (after all, we know not ALL the deleted scenes get included on the DVDs), then I could figure out what's going back in. Hopefully Qui-Gon's scene will be in the supplements. Padme starting the Alliance is good to, as it gives her character more screen time and resolves more plot issues. I wonder how many "Senator" references I'll have to kill here. More on Kashyyyk would be good as well. That plotline seemed really choppy, and I think it's because it was edited down too much. But we shall see. Three days later and I'm jonesing for the DVD already.

On the whole, it'll be the easiest re-edit of the prequels, just like MF suggested. I look forward to how he continues the Dooku-not-as-a-Sith plot. Should be fun as always.