A B C

Syd Stryfe said:

It's kind of a shame that fans have to take these issues into their own hands to get the quality they deserve. Although on the other hand, it makes for an amazing project crafted from nothing but love for the material and the quality and that really isn't such a bad thing. 

 I like how much these two points are precisely true !

A B C said:

"star wars remastered flac"

 Indeed, add the word "restored" (even if it's not true) and you should find them.

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ABC is damned, but not A B C...

This thread is now about the best inventions for future !!!

This is the Kirlian "effect" (photography). Useful for medicine.

"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter".

- Yoda, Jedi Master.

TV's Frink said:

... "This thread is now about" thread ...

 Wrong pick ! It's the only nice thread from the off topic section, and it always made a pleasure wasting some time.

... You were born to do it !

TV's Frink said:

That video was BORING!!! Not a single joke in it.

Perhaps, but now it makes what you can hear about it on TV the biggest joke ever ! ... Nice deal, no ?

MasteringJedi said:

Might be a little late to the party...but I would love to help. :-)

 You're not too late, simply cause I have left this project aside. RotJ is quite a bad material to work with.

If you're VERY interested I'd love to hear what you can do, and then we're going to invert the roles, leaving to you the whole baby...!

I can help you re-thinking - or suggesting - a new complete cue sheet after having spotted all the different takes (or cuts). We can discuss wich cue we drop if they are too bad, too. I can also make a few mockups (editing)

I can provide a professional presentation (arts).

And also I can point you too to my previous work on the complete score, in order to show what good surprises I've been able to reveal from these recordings already.

Needless to say it would deserve a new topic and I wouldn't get that bad if you'd post a new one.

You are in command now, Master !

:)

- Thanks A B C, I think it is important to be informed on what may be the 1st or 2nd worst disaster of the 21st century.

- You're welcome A B C. Glad someone notice this... Looks like people here are afraid to react and prefer speaking for nothing in useless time wasting threads... Oh well. At least no opinion has come to spoil the importance of this info.

MasteringJedi said:

While it is true that subtraction is better than addition when using EQ, a carefully placed addition can do just as good so long as it doesn't harm the music.

If you search through Mr. Hoffman's site, there are many examples of where he has added EQ instead of reducing. Don't be afraid to play around with EQ.  :-)

 Yeah, I like that.

Actually, if you take my samples into consideration, I haven't been afraid of anything. The SE or the Anthology are not subtle recordings and my settings - mostly for the 1st one - were real mountains !

A note about remastering

Well, planning to take a crank at two Indiana Jones soundtracks I was brought through my researches on the site of the master engineer Steve Hoffman (DCC releases) and found his "lessons" for EQs and so for audiophiles.

I was glad to see my whole process matched with the one he recommands, in "cheapest" , so I can only invite anybody interested to read that:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/dhinterviews/

Now I must say I feel a little like a ant in front of his knowledge. Of course I surely don't have such an equipment he recommands.

To make it short about my own process, I use a first digital equalization to make the sound the more precise possible (through an old version of Nero, on a damn precise sounding very old computer - a Bull one), ignoring any kind of enhancements, what results in a flat sound. I call that: "make my table clean". I burn this work on a CD and check out on my Marrantz CD player if it sounds equilibrated, with bass & treble at 0 (though I use to leave the loundness function enabled as I'm used to it)...
... Please note: I haven't said "good"... But "equilibrated".
To notice also: I use to lower the volume on this first stuff.

Second step goes with uploading this new stuff, and find the precises points where to model my sound, and my way to do this matches quite well with S. Hoffman's ways.
BTW, when he says "never add, just subtract what is there already", I can only agreed.

I use the exact same graphic equalizator on this step cause I don't have other equipment nor I have a precise parametric equalizator. However I keep on modeling and thinking in curves and rare are the occasions when I break one.

A serious and well equiped audiophile may have worked at such restorations than the one attempted here with cheap equipment,  and I'm sure it would have given a better rendition. Never forget that digital processing only imitate the analog ones, and the word "digital" should be relied to the final format and to a couple of tools for accurate checking, but not to a quality guaranty ( - "Digitally remastered" ! ).

Anyway, just thought sharing those informations may be useful for people like Hairy Hen working at audio mixes enhancements.

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Skeletron said:

Has this been released?

 No comment on you effort of investigation, man.

hairy_hen said:

Question for ABC...

I won't login that much anymore so I let you judge what to do with this set. I have nothing against the fact it spreads, just was I a little worried about the way it may spread, (as the way it may be requested)... If I'd say: "now pm Hairy Hen for the AE" I bet you'd understand what I mean through a few pm's. ;)

... Yeah I know, I'm not the coolest man of the galaxy when the sense of contact dies... But only "when".

msycamore said:

ABC, Robocop was indeed one of the first if not the first film with the then new Dolby Stereo Spectral Recording maybe that's one of the reasons why you were impressed, I believe the latest R1 DVD include the original 4.0 mix but maybe you saw a french dub when I think about it.

 Not in french, no. That was my 1st initiation to original versions.

Nowadays, no cinema here sounds that way anymore. A pity !

Rogue Leader said:

A B C said:

Rogue Leader said:

Lucas had drive and grand vision he wanted to share but people forget that it's not just him that made Star Wars what it was/is...

 You know, I've got a friend who knows Star Wars as "everybody" knows it (making a few difference with "everyone" here), and I was surprised when a few months ago he took a closer look at my work and he said: "Well, as far as I understand the success of the firsts Star Wars is not due to George Lucas, but mostly to the people he worked with..." !

To notice this friend is not a scholar at all concerning cinema, directors etc... And we're even not american, nor english... So don't worry too much about what people think.

 

 

Oh I actually don't care what people think concerning my opinion. lol...

 I think your post was a little more than an opinion, and it was interesting (otherwise I wouldn't have quote you). Just thought the point I shared, wich was not an opinion neither but a fact, was interesting to mention. Sorry for my lacks with vocabulary or formulation.

Anyway my conclusion is that Justice makes its way ;)

Jaitea said:

Another thing, why does he have to be black, the PT previous versions seem to be a bit more daring and colourful (like the troopers), why couldn't Vader have coloured patterns (like Maul, perhaps)

 

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The idea of using the old McQuarrie design for the PT would have been awesome ! (If Vader would have appeared in the 2nd film...)

Rogue Leader said:

Lucas had drive and grand vision he wanted to share but people forget that it's not just him that made Star Wars what it was/is...

 You know, I've got a friend who knows Star Wars as "everybody" knows it (making a few difference with "everyone" here), and I was surprised when a few months ago he took a closer look at my work and he said: "Well, as far as I understand the success of the firsts Star Wars is not due to George Lucas, but mostly to the people he worked with..." !

To notice this friend is not a scholar at all concerning cinema, directors etc... And we're even not american, nor english... So don't worry too much about what people think.

SilverWook said:

My main memory of seeing Empire in 70mm was being amazed that noises on Dagobah were coming from behind me! But I recall feeling things like the first snowspeeder flyover as much as hearing them.

 Funny! Reading about all Hairy Hen and D_J's efforts these days keep on remind me the only time I witnessed an incredible relief in a theater in 1987 or 88 (I remember it was THX-certified) watching Robocop. The music really sounded as separated from the movie, and all the sounds were outstanding... You could hear the tiniest ones with much relief, and all that happened in your back was very surprising.

Looks like this kind of technology is now reserved for those who want to put money in those equipments for the living rooms nowadays. And even though...

msycamore said:

A B C said:

Now as a last note about this, an isolated score on a film may be interesting. However I'd find more interesting a fully musical presentation: the complete score, with all the sequences that fit re-edited as video clips... Like the "Star Wars Musical Journey" if you want, but with the exact scenes that the score means to accompany (what would allow to replace the few missing sequences).

... And a bitrate at 1411kbps would be the best :) The idea would almost deserve a topic.

I think this is a great idea. I'd love to see and hear such a disc, wasn't that one of Seventiesfilmnut suggestions with his LP rips in the beginning or was that with McQuarrie art, I don't remember. Anyway, I think you should do it. ;)

 Do it ? I can only share the idea, mate! lol... Video editing is not my area, otherwise I would have shown you you can layer my ESB mixes on the film soundtracks, hahaha !!! (Big piece of work - a chance it is not my area in fact).

Ripplin said:

Haha, don't look at me! Maybe someone like hairy_hen or Chainsaw would be better for that. It's not necessary, of course, just an idea that came to me after reading a ton more audio info. (that does go over my head at times, I'm not ashamed to admit) :p

 Yeah, kind of liner notes... Hahem.

I thought there was a guide or something on that forum about what is what... Don't tell me you don't know all this, guys !

Bobocop said:

Let's turn all the Clone Troopers/Stormtroopers into George Lucas clones!

There's got to be enough sound snippets of him to piece together the proper dialogue!

More simple: just add a red nose to all these clowns !

Nice to see that thread back !

TV's Frink said:

A B C said:

Isolated film score or original scoring ?...

Honestly I have no idea, as I am not hugely into movie soundtracks and don't know the details.

The ESB original score has about 20 min of music unused in the film so you know, and about 3/4 of them are made for sequences used in the film while the 1/4 left has been cut.

Now as a last note about this, an isolated score on a film may be interesting. However I'd find more interesting a fully musical presentation: the complete score, with all the sequences that fit re-edited as video clips... Like the "Star Wars Musical Journey" if you want, but with the exact scenes that the score means to accompany (what would allow to replace the few missing sequences).

... And a bitrate at 1411kbps would be the best :) The idea would almost deserve a topic.

Ripplin said:

... Could [hypothetically] be done with all three movies, as he has remastered the entire originally trilogy...more than once.

 Btw, of course you can use them as you wish but I would highly recommand you don't lose your time with my RotJ version... That's not modesty at all: it really has some abusive settings, and has unfortunately relatively huge clippings in the louder passages. I improved it and corrupted it in the same time ! :/  ... Yeah, sorry.

D_J, for what are your answers about my previous questions well, I don't figure out really what tools are used to manage the mixes for the films. I don't even know if upmixing stereo to 5.1 is done automaticly with a software or if you have to do it with your own hands.

All That I know is that, as I said earlier, if I had to make such upmix for myself I would rebuild the channels in order to bring a new relief through EQ's for each pair of tracks, as for the main center one. Anyway, in the end I may be definitely more interested in stereo.

But I think we'll end that here. It's too much a pain for me to share my point in English ! ;)

Perhaps you already know... In any case:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/First-draft-of-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-screenplay-gets-leaked/topic/11632/

Isolated film score or original scoring ?...

PS: hope I haven't thrown a cold by speaking of a black and white version. But *imo*, it would only work with ESB. The other films have not this particular fine photography.

Thanks guys. The last dvd I downloaded (Adywan's version) took my computer 3 days... But I'll remember. It'll let me time to understand exactly what are your versions, D_J. ;)

Ripplin said:

dark_jedi said:

A B C said:

That said I'd have love to have been able to try reediting and layer something like my work on ESB... Just only a dream...

What do you mean by this, making a score only soundtrack on the film? if that is what you mean that would be very cool.

Very cool indeed. The only fan disc I can think of with an isolated score is one EditDroid did, but I'm sure there are others. What an excellent [other] way it would be to enjoy A B C's work. Could [hypothetically] be done with all three movies, as he has remastered the entire originally trilogy...more than once.

 That was not what I meant but I realize what I said would involve an extreme complexity: to layer the soundtrack ON the film soundtrack (and mix). However that's what I've done for the AE for a bunch of tracks (LP + session mixes)... And believe me, the waveform from the LP's are completely different than the session mixes. All has been synchronized with a pair of ears, and I sometime had to force myself not to focus on the waveform not to be fooled!

For what is the indeed cool idea to make a score version of the film, I mentionned it earlier in adywan's reconstruction thread saying how much I was impressed by the work on lights and shadows (the photography) in that movie ! I watched a few in black and white and it lost nothing from this charm. That led me to the idea a score version would be so great featured in ESB on a black and white version, notably if removing the colours allow more space for the sound bitrate.

... And we're of course talking about the original scoring ( = complete, or almost).