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bilditup1 said:

This is an awesome idea. The salvage set has at least made Return of the Jedi listenable, but maybe some of us can turn it into a real masterpiece. I don't really have experience ReMastering but perhaps I can think of another way to contribute...

tata...

I think you can launch the piece of meat , cause I don't think there will be such a thing from us. MasteringJedi may confirm or not though...

EDIT: For me, that thread is OVER.

;)

Whaterver my original language, it looked a couple of times that I understood what C3PX said while you didn't, taking for you the wrong side of his point (maybe the identification of yourself with the "content", as Mr Tolle points out so simply - and I'm asking you to believe I'm not that familiar with Mr Tolle's teaching). I think it's more a matter of wavelenght / state of mind then.

But let's don't stick on details please ;) We're highjacking the essential, though I think we've said it all. It shouldn't be too much trouble - edit: for someone curious enough - to see how far what is said in the related videos >post 1 will manifest in a near future, in a way or another. But once again: let's keep calm.

C3PX said:

I told you he was from a different culture.

 Perhaps not so different... though

Warbler said:

Btw if by "kicked out from the place right away" you meant being banned from this forum...

 Of course that was not what I meant. Haha, strange thought. That was an image, "the place" beeing the discussion. I know my english is not convenient, but well.

Warbler said:

alright then.  Its just very difficult for me to understand what the intended meaning of some your posts are.

The discution has followed its course, and as your questions started with my insinuation that your behaviour may be more controlled by what you read and hear from the only medias world rather than what your Heart (wich could also mean "innocence" to me) can teach you; then I surmise you came to finally boil to have allowed me to tie my point until conclusion, without any contradiction. Without C3PX in the neighborood, I would have possibly been kicked out from the place right away (actually I would have left the place before) ...

Worth to notice, for who has ears to hear - and Heart is here again the best pair of ears - it makes a lot of efforts and discussions to defend oneselves opinions (wich are not convictions) - and I'm thinking about the political thread in particular - totally pointless from both pragmatic and "essential" point of view, wich ones I consider they should prevail nowadays more than never. But if you prefer puzzling your minds with x people's tendencies (politics or so), I'm not judging you for that, even if what I observe myself allows me to have opinions as well. My opinions are not made to be discussed though, I just keep those as a reserve for actions or reactions. Ideas or feelings are more worth to discuss.

... I actally consider you, and in total agreement with what Mr Tolle says, as a Human, to be higher than your thoughts. And if someone would play the "teacher" with arrogance or so with you, you can be sure Ego would be very strong in him. Rather have pity then than being angry yourself, cause that would only affect you, not me.

Also, my post is intented like whole (so far), I hope it won't be broken in tiny pieces for micro observations ;)

C3PX said:

Taking that first step to calming down is where I fail the hardest.

 ... We are billions.

Warbler said:

nope.

 Too serious opinions on ourselves may hurt... As said C3PX we're all pupils in life. A chance my replied stood for both humorous and serious interpretation !

Warbler said:

As for  ABC,   It just seemed like he was looking down on me, acting all smug and superior and whatnot.    Perhaps I am wrong.  If so, I apologize. 

 Ah. I thought you were joking.

Warbler said:

I'm not sure I what I did or said to you C3PX,  but I never meant to make you feel bad about yourself.

 I think C3PX try to say thank you for you made him reconsider things / or look closer in his miror.

C3PX said:

I still feel that positive mental intake can be, and certainly is, quite a benefit to emotional peace.

 

 Fixed !

C3PX said:

Then what is the way?

 I don't think there's a simple answer to that. In any case, to calm down is always the first step. Tolle himself only helps with clues and you can't keep hanged to his lips all your life, though he may be a good teacher to listen at first... even a "master" can't infuse the good will.

... Should I quote Yoda again ?

Oh, another grand wise said: "know that you already know", and that's a bit what Yoda said to Luke.

Edit:

I still feel that negative mental intake can be, and probably most of the time is, quite detrimental to emotional peace.

I know it's gonna look stupid but, why don't you try to feel something else ? ;)

Errr, I just went way off topic, didn't I?

Not that much. And I think what you said is - perhaps - related to what you imagine by "changing your life". Austerity is not the way, no more than abrupt modifications in your beeing (neither to reenforce your will by trying to control every thoughts and emotions btw. Control is the result, not the way).

"The Force is used for knowledge and defense. Never to attack."

"... Mmmmhhh mmmhh mmhhh !"

...Hem.

C3PX said:

I am in agreement. Even you, and your neighbor, are coming from Western thought. But the stuff of which you speak is not. We are touching two angles into one universal problem (or perhaps, more likely, a cluster of unique but related problems). While I pick on Americans mostly because I am one; and those are the ones I have worked with and been frustrated by the most. These issues are by no means limited to them, I just find them (or us, since I am one) to be very proud champions of the problem.

 Translation: Han Solo Vs. Obi Wan; "Vs." being here a way to speak as, as you said very well, these two opposite worlds can't meet together. (... a matter of "switching").

"Who is the more foolish... ?"

I think the matter is other here (no matter the shape). My neighboor may just have the very same reaction than Warbler here. The... "kinds of people"...  are universal, and timeless.

btw,  ABC please stop acting like I'm your pupil.  It comes off as condescending and arrogant.   

Hahahaaa!... You asked first.

I just watched that one, really great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPg9DnMP2D4

it went right over my head.   I guess I'm just not into all of this philosophy stuff.

I can understand. All this made me remind this guy, so I'm glad. "Good food, mmmhh, mmhhh. For the Jedi, it's time to eat"...

C3PX said:

Haha! This is going to be fun watching Americans try to figure out other ways of thinking.

I' don't agree btw. I just remembered someone who is quite well know in your country for his work about our "matter". I'm afraid Warbler may be allergic to such approach. Hope some of you will appreciate this anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j42cTkiGdXY&feature=related

TV's Frink said:

Wait...drinking makes you egotistical?

WOO-HOO!!!  I win!

 And guess what you win !...

Warbler said:

but you're the one that said "Haha! This is going to be fun watching Americans try to figure out other ways of thinking."  somehow it just doesn't make sense grammatically to me, that an American would say that.

C3PX is a good moderator between two opposite ways of thinking, like a "heart" :) . That's what allows him to remain a little "above" / or distant from the discussion(s). He doesn't judge anyone, that's why he can keep a good judgement on many things.

Perhaps you could explain what ABC is talking about a little more clearly?

I would invite you once more to search by yourself. I don't think there's anything to explain again, mostly in a place like this forum. I can assure you: you are in the right human times for such inquiries... And you have internet, lucky one !

Warbler said:

maybe you elaborate what you mean by the word, heart?

I mean by Heart, the center (source) of all living.

Perhaps by heart most people only imagine a kind of "mechanical" piece that only plays the role of a pump. It's however the energetic source of your body, and then tell me where the heart takes its energy from... That's more the reply to that question I may call Heart actually.

To follow the idea of my previous post, I'd add that Heart's opposite concept is Ego, wich one is located in the liver justly where sits the emotional activity, wich acts on your humours through bile. Worth to notice liver, heart and brain are strongly connected, heart beeing the moderator.

I highly recommand you pursue your own researches if you're sincerely interested, and I promise you won't waste your time ! In the wait, if you want me to prove what I say, not only I will decline but I want you to know I just can't. We just can't intellectualize such realities and only the Heart can discern the truth from the lie. The mental, that makes occidentals so proud (and I'm one), can't catch this.

... All of this is about subtle energies that surround us, penetrates us, and combines the galaxy together.

Just listen to Yoda again (in ESB)... Or, if you don't want to give credit to a "fairy tale"... listen to Bruce Lee ! The words may be different but the idea remains the same.

I know people use to confuse "emotions" and heart.

Only when your emotions are at rest, heart reveals its benefit.

TV's Frink said:

What the hell has happened to me?...

 It's well known: anger makes you blind. Now you see again !

cutnshut said:

Sorry!

 Bravo!

"Kind of people"

... Who never disconnect their brain regarding matters like politics, opinions, sciences etc... in order to let the Force flaw through them and let their heart speak, rather than their head (intellect).

Also, "kind of people" who argues on the details (analysis) and ignore the whole (synthesis), which reveals the unability or even the lazyness to cross the sources (areas like the different fields of sciences - unfortunately useful for wars -, and the relations between major events regarding geopolitics, for only instances).

I'm not here to write a book though, nor to attack your convictions. I'm just thinking - but you have nothing to proove to me - they are built on an iceberg, and whatever - they don't have weight next to the simplicity of what is provided through the related video. The only first 30 sec. regarding the oil buiseness should be a revelation for anyone !

Sluggo said:

We've got a nice discussion about heart-health over in one of Adywan's threads.  Could come in handy.

Surely the best input since the begining. That's why I keep on repeating: "take care!". That what is gonna help you, and people around you, no matter what happens. Heart is the seat of the Force.

A russian scientist who has a grand humanity (I forgot his name) was the pioneer about nuclear science when Tchernobyl occured. After having been emprisoned (because we was alerting autorities on the effects of the disaster), he today takes care of all the victims affected with cancer and leucemia. He said: the ones who have the biggest chances of surviving are the ones who keep smiling and choosed to ignore their illness... !

A great lesson, for sure.

cutnshut said:

OOer missus whats going on in here then ??!!

 Check your ignore list and you'll know ! ;)

If you can make it BETTER than the original (even conceptually speaking), that would be nice.