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#1327215
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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captainsolo said:

I’m skipping this Maclunkey box. It’s likely the D+ versions on disc plus faux 4K discs for the others all in a box full of more maclunkey to try and entice fans to buy. I’m sure they’ll sell some for the holidays and such but yet again it’s a wasted opportunity.

Who knows they may even redo the sound again and make it even worse!

Yup. But the day they include the theatrical versions in 4K (or even HD for that matter) on a bonus disc, it’s an immediate buy for me. Your move, Disney. Do you want our money or not?

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#1323585
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration
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teamneedle said:

I didn’t see this mentioned on here yet… The theatrical edition of Fellowship was on Netflix last year and it did not have the green tint - Hopefully this is a sign that a new master is out there.

The theatrical version has never had the green tint. It was only ever on the extended HD release. But I agree —- here’s hoping the 4K release this year will fix the problems!

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#1316867
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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44rh1n said:

ChainsawAsh said:

44rh1n said:

Very interesting! Charles Bunnag, one of the colorists of the new 4K HDR Disney+ version of the Original Trilogy, as well as “The Mandalorian,” has spoken regarding the negative claims that the Disney+ HDR is “fake.” There’s even an interesting comment from Marc Wielage (colorist of the 2004 versions). https://mixinglight.com/color-tutorial/is-the-disney-series-the-mandalorian-fake-hdr/

The podcast in the link there is very interesting, I recommend everyone who’s interested in HDR give it a listen.

Yeah, it’s a great one. I loved it too. I’m actually a subscriber to MixingLight, because their insights are incredibly helpful with my work. They had another podcast a couple of years ago talking with the colorist of the 2004 SE, and in that podcast the colorist actually talks about it being a myth that Lucasfilm doesn’t have the theatrical OT negatives or prints anymore, because he actually used them in his restoration. I went back and tried to find it, and the listing for that podcast is still there but the link is broken. I’ll reach out to them and see if they can fix it. It’s a great listen.

If anyone was interested in this interview I referenced earlier with the colorist of the 2004 SE, it’s back online now. It’s very interesting to view restoration, in general, from his perspective. The whole podcast is great, but about 33:27 is when he starts to talk about Star Wars. https://mixinglight.com/color-tutorial/color-restoration-hollywood-interview-marc-wielage/

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#1315537
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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CatBus said:

Stotchy said:

CatBus said:

three of which I can handle like my existing official Blu-rays: glue them all together, put a string through the middle, and suspend them inside one of the cavities in the walls of my house, so nobody accidentally watches them or stumbles across them and thinks that I like those films enough to buy them

This is really funny.

That is seriously what I did with the 2011SE’s. You glue the shiny sides together so it’s really clear what’s on the disks. Star Wars and Empire on the sides, Jedi in the middle, a little offcenter so that you can see some of its cover too. They’re currently hanging inside the wall cavity of my youngest child’s bedroom closet.

I just put mine in a drawer lol wtf

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#1311960
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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ChainsawAsh said:

44rh1n said:

Very interesting! Charles Bunnag, one of the colorists of the new 4K HDR Disney+ version of the Original Trilogy, as well as “The Mandalorian,” has spoken regarding the negative claims that the Disney+ HDR is “fake.” There’s even an interesting comment from Marc Wielage (colorist of the 2004 versions). https://mixinglight.com/color-tutorial/is-the-disney-series-the-mandalorian-fake-hdr/

The podcast in the link there is very interesting, I recommend everyone who’s interested in HDR give it a listen.

Yeah, it’s a great one. I loved it too. I’m actually a subscriber to MixingLight, because their insights are incredibly helpful with my work. They had another podcast a couple of years ago talking with the colorist of the 2004 SE, and in that podcast the colorist actually talks about it being a myth that Lucasfilm doesn’t have the theatrical OT negatives or prints anymore, because he actually used them in his restoration. I went back and tried to find it, and the listing for that podcast is still there but the link is broken. I’ll reach out to them and see if they can fix it. It’s a great listen.

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#1311879
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Very interesting! Charles Bunnag, one of the colorists of the new 4K HDR Disney+ version of the Original Trilogy, as well as “The Mandalorian,” has spoken regarding the negative claims that the Disney+ HDR is “fake.” There’s even an interesting comment from Marc Wielage (colorist of the 2004 versions). https://mixinglight.com/color-tutorial/is-the-disney-series-the-mandalorian-fake-hdr/

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#1310789
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Jedi Master Skywalker said:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1204960815821946880?s=21

JJ is on our sides

That’s good to hear, and I respect him for being open about his views in this matter, but he sadly also confirms the OOT will not be released for reasons even he doesn’t understand.

As far as he knows.

This is pretty major imo. We have the director of 2/3 of the ST saying on camera in a sit-down interview that he doesn’t understand why the unaltered versions haven’t been restored to modern quality. The most we’d gotten from him prior was casually mentioning he’d shown his kids the original versions in a written interview several years ago (whether this was the GOUT or Harmy is unclear).

Rian hasn’t brought up the subject at all to my knowledge since he was hired by LFL back in 2014, although he did jokingly refer to the SE as “the cartoon version” on twitter the week the bd’s came out back in 2011.

I think, it goes a little bit beyond, as far as he knows. He literally states, he asked about the OOT, and was told a release wasn’t possible. So, I think it’s almost certain the OOT will not be included in the physical release of the 4K versions next year. In this respect it’s also important to note, that the new 4K master was done under the supervision of Lucas before the sale of LFM, making it even less likely the OOT will be restored, as this will be an archive release, not a new restoration by Disney. The release of the OOT is becoming less likely with every year that passes, and with physical media becoming extinct, next year will likely be the last opportunity for such a release, as the SE will forever remain the available versions on streaming services. I just don’t see it happening next year, and so I don’t see it happening at all, sadly.

Well, we know this isn’t entirely true, since these new 4K versions were clearly mastered after Disney’s Lucasfilm acquisition. They include the revised Lucasfilm logo that Disney created in 2015, and they were given the Dolby Vision HDR treatment by the same Company 3 colorists who did The Mandalorian. Dolby Vision didn’t even exist until around 2015.

I think you’re probably right that the foundation of this 4K version existed back before Disney’s acquisition, and was completed under George’s supervision. But I’m afraid your assumption — that the entire master as a whole was completed before then — is simply not true. In fact, looking at the evidence, I would wager that in its current, completed form, this new 4K version was completed this year.

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#1310779
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Jedi Master Skywalker said:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1204960815821946880?s=21

JJ is on our sides

That’s good to hear, and I respect him for being open about his views in this matter, but he sadly also confirms the OOT will not be released for reasons even he doesn’t understand.

As far as he knows.

This is pretty major imo. We have the director of 2/3 of the ST saying on camera in a sit-down interview that he doesn’t understand why the unaltered versions haven’t been restored to modern quality. The most we’d gotten from him prior was casually mentioning he’d shown his kids the original versions in a written interview several years ago (whether this was the GOUT or Harmy is unclear).

Rian hasn’t brought up the subject at all to my knowledge since he was hired by LFL back in 2014, although he did jokingly refer to the SE as “the cartoon version” on twitter the week the bd’s came out back in 2011.

I think, it goes a little bit beyond, as far as he knows. He literally states, he asked about the OOT, and was told a release wasn’t possible. So, I think it’s almost certain the OOT will not be included in the physical release of the 4K versions next year. In this respect it’s also important to note, that the new 4K master was done under the supervision of Lucas before the sale of LFM, making it even less likely the OOT will be restored, as this will be an archive release, not a new restoration by Disney. The release of the OOT is becoming less likely with every year that passes, and with physical media becoming extinct, next year will likely be the last opportunity for such a release, as the SE will forever remain the available versions on streaming services. I just don’t see it happening next year, and so I don’t see it happening at all, sadly.

Those are all valid points, but I’d say the physical 4k release will sell in significantly higher numbers if an unaltered restoration is included, especially since anyone with a D+ subscription can now stream the 4k hdr SE anytime they’d like.

Except that contradicts the nearly concrete evidence Abrams just gave us it ain’t happening.

I admire your optimism on the matter, but at this point you need to lower your expectations, sadly.

I don’t know. JJ is known for telling white lies in interviews, just to expand hype. And interviews like this are often planned in advance. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was all set up, just to get people talking about the theatrical trilogy again, and to increase everyone’s surprise when it inevitably gets released.

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#1309804
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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The best way to watch Dolby Vision content from Disney+ as closely to the creators’ intent as possible is to purchase the flagship LG C9 OLED, and then use the “CalMAN Home” software, along with a supported spectrometer, to calibrate the TV. This is a great guide, for anyone who’s interested in doing it. It’s a few bucks, but it’s worth it for those of us who crave absolute color accuracy. https://youtu.be/q5q_R5M--m8

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#1309802
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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joefavs said:

While I was home for Thanksgiving I looked at some of ANH on the TV at my parents’ house, which is set up very well but only does HDR10 and not DolbyVision, And it was really dull-looking and dark and just all around underwhelming. It’s strange how drastic the difference was with the DolbyVision set in my apartment; there are plenty of other movies I’ve watched on both TVs and I’ve never experienced a drop-off in quality this extreme.

Dolby Vision is vastly superior because it includes HDR trim metadata for each individual shot of a movie, manually tone-mapped by the colorists to accommodate a wide variety of television conditions. Basically, there are several versions of the film, each optimized for a specific style of TV. So the creator’s intent is preserved as closely as possible, no matter the brightness range (or limitations) of your supported HDR TV.

Whereas, HDR10 includes just a single HDR master of the film. There’s no trim metadata, and therefore no preservation of the creator’s intent across various viewing environments. With HDR10, it’s up to the television manufacturer to tone-map the HDR master to fit their TVs’ color reproduction capabilities. So as a result, HDR10 looks wildly different on every single TV. It’s a total disaster. But if you have a really high end TV, then HDR10 should in theory look pretty good. (However, if you have a high end TV, you’re probably just using Dolby Vision instead anyway).

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#1309452
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Yeah, I agree that overall the new versions are vastly superior to the Blu-rays. There might be a few issues still here and there, but overall the color is really great. Just make sure, if you’re watching the films in HDR, that you’re watching them in Dolby Vision instead of HDR10 (HDR10 is trash, and will screw with the colors). Or if you’re watching tone-mapped SDR versions, ensure that they’re properly tone-mapped (otherwise you’ll get the incorrect color shifts as illustrated in some of the stills above).

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#1307190
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Broom Kid said:

I might be seeing things - but I think they re-did the shirt coloration “fix” (which was never a fix) on Han Solo just before carbon freeze?

Here’s the screencap from the blu-rays
https://i0.wp.com/caps.pictures/198/0-starwars5/full/star-wars5-movie-screencaps.com-11293.jpg

And here’s what I’m seeing on Disney+
https://i.imgur.com/ChQ9Cc7.jpg

Looks like they basically re-did the shirt texture entirely

It looks like it comes from the same source to me; however, it looks like the colorist probably masked it off and “smeared” it a bit to tone down the texture and make it less obvious.

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#1307187
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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canofhumdingers said:

I’ve never understood copying someone else’s calibration settings (which seems to be very common on A/V forums and groups). It doesn’t account for the variance from set to set, even if they’re the same exact model. And it completely ignores the fact that each tv is in a unique environment with its own lighting.

If it’s the same model, you’ll get in the right ballpark. And the point is to calibrate the panel… not the “unique environment.” A room with the lights dimmed down shouldn’t be much different from another room with the lights dimmed down. And if you have something in your room that’s crazy enough to affect the image on your TV that drastically, then you should probably fix that thing and not adjust the display to counteract it…

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#1306964
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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No TV modes are accurate to spec. And tuning by eye can only get you so far. Hopefully the upcoming “filmmaker mode” will change that. But right now, it’s best to use a calibration device to get you closest to industry spec as possible.
If you happen to have an LG B7 OLED, Steve Yedlin has shared his calibration settings, which should get you in the right ballpark.
http://www.yedlin.net/171030.html

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#1305936
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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JawsTDS said:

Harmy said:

Can that be done? And would it yield a 10 or even 12 bit image? That would be awesome!
As for whether this changes anything for Despecialized, yes, the change is that I will now definitely be waiting for the 4K Blu-Ray or at least a full bitrate 4k web-dl as a source.

If you’re asking if it’s possible to extract the flat image? Yes. The HDR grade is stored as metadata on UHD discs, so you can easily retrieve the flat image. As for the bit depth, I believe they’re all 10bit video files.

Well, technically it’s the HDR Output Display Transform (ODT) that’s included in the metadata, as well as the individual shot-for-shot metadata tweaks (HDR custom trims). But the grade itself is actually performed on the log level of the image, so the flat image still has a grade applied to it (just not the HDR ODT). In other words, the “log” image is a graded log image, but it just doesn’t have a contrast curve applied to it yet.

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#1305164
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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nl0428 said:

pat man said:

nl0428 said:

If anyone here went to go see the 3D release of The Phantom Menace, please tell me what the master and color grading looked like. Did it look like the 2011 Blu-ray, or this new Disney+ version?

I didn’t see the 3d release. But skimming through the movies the Prequels are just upscaled Blu-ray. I.e. nasty teal shift in Aotc.

I seriously would like to understand why people who do 4K HDR remasters have such a love for adding unappealing teal filters to their older films. Especially when it’s not the accurate color grading the movie had when released.

It’s not a “teal filter” but rather a fairly standard Kodak print emulation, which happens to have some more analogue teal-like blues that make their way into the midtones and shadows.

It’s an interesting debate, because early digital releases of films were often scanned from the negative and then given a digital grade back when digital grading was very primitive. So they have a very digital look. (The OT 2004/2011 SE is a perfect example of this). So for years, we’ve gotten used to how old movies shot on film look after they’ve been colored for SDR screens.

But lately, studios and colorists have started to take a different approach: rather than going with a purely digital grade on top of the scanned negative, they now will oftentimes seek to emulate how the films would have looked in a theatrical setting, with an actual print.

I’m not sure where my opinion rests on the matter. But it’s not just someone saying “hey let’s just make this teal for no reason.” It’s an actual discussion that happens as to whether or not they should run with just a correction applied to the negative, or if they should emulate a print stock. There’s a great argument to be made for both methods.

In this case, I quite like it. The prequels now look a lot more like how they appeared in theaters, and the new look really brings down the harsh digital aesthetic. I personally dig it.

I’ve hated the alteration of colors for various other 4K HDR versions, though. I guess it just depends on the film for me.

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#1302600
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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nl0428 said:

Mocata said:

44rh1n said:

JonathanArthur19 said:

I don’t think that Titanic would get a teal tint to it, it was mastered at 4K and Dolby Vision so I don’t think it’ll ever get a teal color grade

The standard 1080p Blu-ray already has a teal tint compared to the original DVD release. The colors were altered for the 3D release in 2012.

Uh yeah exactly it already happened.

Except the 3D release only happened for The Phantom Menace.

We’re talking about Titanic. The teal tint appeared in the 3D release, and then in the subsequent Blu-ray release.