1990osu

^But this "just a point of view" relativism is George Lucas philosophy circa the turn of the century. 

The George Lucas who made the original trilogy would have said there is no "point of view"- this is a movie about heroes and villains, good versus evil. 

In fact I am surprised more people have not mentioned this as being one of the fatal flaws with the prequels.  Leaving out the idea of good versus evil was a major mistake.  Even in ROTJ, which some consider to be the weakest, that whole part in the throne room is a pure story about good and evil.

This has a much darker sky than any home video version I've seen.

In other words, each individual frame you are taking is somewhere in-between 2K and 4K res, but for coloring and cleanup work you are using a downsample because that will be faster and yield similar results to doing all your editing at the higher (let's call it 3K) resolution, only to have to size it down anyway at the end, for home video.

EDIT: Oh, I see.  So you really did do a real 4K transfer of this print?

negative1 said:

we are saving the 4k scans, for future proofing the video when the time

comes. that is what we are using as our source, not 1080p or 2k.

 

we've done some quick tests with 4k video and

resampling it down to 1080p, and did not notice an

improvement over just using the 2k/1080p downsamples.

Now I'm completely confused.

The screengrab looks really great.  Can't wait to see the finished version.

CatBus said:

If you're feeling on the fence about Jedi, consider doing a "just Lapti Nek" transfer, getting good copies of otherwise lost footage.  And Vader with eyebrows, and Vader's ghost, etc.

+1.  You could even capture at a higher resolution picture for the "lost" footage- if not for the blu-ray then for posterity.

PS When Star Wars is done, you should flood everywhere with it.  Newsgroups, torrents everywhere, 20 different copies on youtube, vimeo, a facebook page about it- the whole works.  Make it impossible to ignore...

negative1 said:

Brooks said:

I'm really intrigued by the glimpses of the projector.  I haven't read all the pages of this thread yet, do you discuss your set up?  Is that a DSLR hooked up to the front of the projector??

it's a custom telecine, made from a projector,

with a DIY gear/pulley setup, from a used VHS deck,

and a 8 megapixel cheap canon digital camera,

with the custom software hack to do timed pictures.

we are using 4 megapixels for the pictures, and

keeping those for archive, as we downscale to 1080p.

not exactly state-of-the-art, far from it, but the results

speak for themselves.

 

slow and steady wins the race. right?

 

later

-1

First of all, whoah...this is starting to look really serious. And you said that you captured it at higher than 1080p, correct?  So you captured this at higher than Blu-Ray resolution.  Star Wars is saved!

Great job on the trailer.  I love the very stark contrast, for ex. in the dianoga scene and in the tie fighter attack- that is how Star Wars is supposed to look.

I am still confused about the workflow....you projected the print very very slowly using a pulley system on a VHS deck, and then you hacked a digital camera to take timed pictures at the same rate.  Did you just point the projector lens straight at the camera lens?  I am confused about how that part of it works. 

EDIT: When this is done, I want to watch it in HD on a big screen TV with the uncompressed 1993 laserdisc PCM blasting through two HUGE speakers.  I can see it now...

Mike O said:

You have to remember, actors have to eat. Ideally, once they got a starring role in something interesting, they could continue in that vein, but of course that have to take whatever they can get as long as they're marketable. It's a job like anything else. It's a different job than what you and I have, but they still have to eat.

Nicolas Cage's agent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExfV_xKaiM

Then it would be correct to say that "1995 Faces Pan and Scan" represents the most modern transfer of the original versions of the trilogy, and is derived from a different master altogether than the DC? 

If the answer is no, they were taken off the same print, my question is- where is that print?

The interesting thing though, as I think about it, is that the 1993 DC was never in fullscreen.  Therefore, in order to strike the full-screen VHS tapes in 1995, they must have made use of a HD source from which the 1993 master was struck. 

As somebody said on another thread, anamorphic widescreen on DVD cannot even compete with the VERTICAL resolution of VHS.  Thus there had to be an HD source.  My question is, what happened to that source?

Wasn't "Faces" just the VHS versions of the 1993 definitive edition master?

I have seen this too and it is indeed priceless because of the vividness of the colors and the fact that these are the original colors- the tape is from 1978 which means the print didn't have a chance to lose its color.  The oranges and greens and blues are deep.  I can vouch for the "clean filmic texture" too- very smooth.  This is a big find.

skyjedi2005 said:

Is he even in the archival commentary tracks on the blu ray?  I don't own it so i cannot comment.

Me neither.  From now on I buy no new versions until he restores the original versions of everything. 

The Perfect Set:

STAR WARS

1977/1981 version HD restored, seamless branching (70mm mix, 35mm mix, mono mix, '85 mix, 93 mix, 10 different commentaries, everything uncompressed)

1997 version HD (5.1, DTS, commentary, all uncompressed)

2004/2011 version HD, seamless branching, commentary, all uncompressed)

EMPIRE:

1980 version HD restored, 70mm/35mm seamless branching (70mm mix, 35mm mix, 93 mix, 10 different commentaries, uncompressed)

1997 version HD (5.1, DTS, commentary, uncompressed)

2004/2011 version HD, seamless branching, commentary, uncompressed)

RETURN OF THE JEDI

1983 version HD restored (70mm mix, 35mm mix, 93 mix, 10 different commentaries, uncompressed)

1997 version HD (5.1, DTS, commentary, uncompressed)

2004/2011 version HD, seamless branching, commentary, uncompressed)

BONUS DISCS:

-Untouched "theater experience" HD scans of theater prints of SW, ESB, and ROTJ to preserve all the original colors and lighting and hard contrast, burned-in subtitles, etc. 

-The original 3 "Making Of" Docs plus "From Star Wars to Jedi", "Empire of Dreams", the rare "Empire" documentary, and every rare interview and behind the scenes movie that can be found easily on the internet, but not in disk form.  All the "Behind the Magic" stuff, and "Making Magic" and everything

-"Star Wars Holiday Special" plus the 2 ewok movies in all their different versions, with commentaries

-2 free tickets to see a restored 70mm showing of "Star Wars '77" at a theater near you

-A handwritten apology from George Lucas for messing up the prequels.  Ticket to a free preview of a remake of Episode I directed by Steven Spielberg

zombie84 said:

You should def retitle this Young George Lucas. I thought i was going to be seeing footage of a grey-haired GL.

Also, this is fantastic. Good job!

Done and done.  Thanks Zombie!  I enjoyed reading excerpts from "Secret Star Wars" on your site a few years ago....

TV's Frink said:

1990osu said:

newt said:

Thankfully, I am not Newt Gingrich :)

I ask because on Amazon, user "Newt" actually is Newt Gingrich. 

I find this hard to believe.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A27WFYW9ZJ5DN1

http://collider.com/rick-mccallum-red-tails-star-wars-tv-series-interview/138426/

Steve Weintraub: Episode I recently came out on Blu-ray, and you guys are getting ready to do a 3D re-release. Obviously I’m a fan of you guys, I’m a fan of Star Wars and I know that George likes to tinker and change. Is the 3D re-release any different than what just came out on Blu-ray or is it the same movie just in 3D?

McCallum: It’s the same movie in 3D.

SW: Do you think we’ll ever get the original trilogy and the prequels without any changes on Blu-ray, or is it never gonna happen?

McCallum: I would have to answer that officially it’s never gonna happen, but you never know with George. It’s one of the constant things that—let’s put it this way, it changes always. You never know.

SW: Yeah I mean personally, as I’ve said many times on the site I have no problems with George changing the films, I just think it would be great if he would release the originals and that way everyone could have it, but that’s just me.

McCallum: I know, but I understand that completely. It’s just a question I can’t answer. Obviously I have my own personal feelings, I hope that he does it, but I don’t have major arguments with him about it. I think that’s a decision he has to come to on his own as time comes by.

Comedian talking about the prequels:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LDCjIjsZp_Y

PS78 Baltimore.

This sounds exciting!!

I think the grappling hook part was there on opening day.

danny_boy said:

An interpositive was struck from that original negative------it was that 1st generation interpositive that was then hacked up into pieces and conformed and manipulated into what would become the special edition.

Do you have a source on that?

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I know what you're saying.  Star Wars used to be cool, and now it isn't cool anymore.

There would only be one way to change it.  No Star Wars movies for 20-30 years.  No rereleases, no TV broadcasts, nothing. 

Then, restore and release the original versions of the trilogy restored in Blu-Ray and on 35mm film. 

That would get a whole generation hooked, the prequels would be forgotten, and Star Wars would be cool again.

Vertigo has a really bad stereo remix.  They didn't even try to match the original, using completely new gun sounds and so on.

Is there any "ultimate" set of the 1997 versions?  Maybe NTSC converted from a PAL HD source, combined with the NTSC laserdisc audio?? Thanks