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Info: "making of star wars" film reel set - for sale on ebay

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sounds interesting ; someone should step forward and work on this sucker ; that 77 docu is ready for a make-over

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This thread reminds me of something I've been wondering: Whatever happened to negative1?

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Probably got tired of the way people always got under his skin... making fun of his typing, his "vaporware" 35mm, et cetera.  Last log in in March.

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

There was a VHS release, right?  It hasn't been on any of the DVDs?

 

 Yes and yes. Though I believe there may also have been a Japanese laserdisc? Seem to recall seeing a transfer someone had done which had burnt in subs...

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I just checked... there are a few copies of the VHS on eBay.  There is even one copy of the Japanese laserdisc up on eBay as well.

If someone here wins the 16mm film (the price is too high for me given my current finances), I'd be willing to add it into my queue of things to do... although again, I doubt it would turn out even as well as a good rip of the VHS.

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The Japanese LD has usually been expensive to get. The early 80's LD is easily one of the worst rotters in the history of the format.

I have all the Japanese making of LD's except this one. All those releases have Japanese subtitles.

The last VHS release was a cereal mail-away promo that inexplicably replaced William Conrad's original narration! (This has the Vader face art.) The original came out very early in the days of home video, and finding a playable copy would be a crap shoot.

It this film print isn't pink city, it would be interesting to make a hybrid version with all the movie clips in proper widescreen. :)

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I have the original VHS release (it was paired with SPFX:TheESB), as well as the cereal-promo re-release version. The original tape still plays great. The VHS tapes were very high-quality back then.

I also have the Japanese LD preservation - but I can't recall at the moment who did it.

Isn't that only 1-hour long? The ebay listing states that it's on two 1-hour reels- perhaps they're duplicate reels?

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I'm sure they were. It's just most old copies that pop up tend to be rentals and are worn out. The Magnetic video label release was generally not for sale.

Putting one hour on a 16mm reel means a bigger reel. And apparently not all projectors can handle bigger reels. Note how all the 16mm Star Wars prints we've seen are all three reelers.

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I bought it new at a video store - it's one of the first 3 videotapes I ever bought when I got my first VCR (the other 2 being SW and The Muppet Movie). I'll never forget- Star Wars was $80!!! Times have changed. That's back when you went into a video store, and the tapes were all in glass cases behind the counter. At those prices I understand why. ;-)

Was it Rowman who did the Japanese LD preservation?

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SilverWook said:

The Japanese LD has usually been expensive to get. The early 80's LD is easily one of the worst rotters in the history of the format.

I have all the Japanese making of LD's except this one. All those releases have Japanese subtitles.

The last VHS release was a cereal mail-away promo that inexplicably replaced William Conrad's original narration! (This has the Vader face art.) The original came out very early in the days of home video, and finding a playable copy would be a crap shoot.

It this film print isn't pink city, it would be interesting to make a hybrid version with all the movie clips in proper widescreen. :)

i'm in the process of remaking the "making of.." rips in my spare time ( not that there's much of that at the moment). they're going to be re-framed to widescreen and all the movie clips form SW & other films will be taken from better quality versions. I didn't know there was a version of TMOSW that had a different narration to William Conrads through. That would be a great little bonus if someone could rip the audio of the alternate narration.

 

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I originally used a Magnetic Video VHS rip for my original bonus discs. Later, I upgraded using the CBS/Fox laserdisc rip created by Rikter. The Japanese laserdisc for this doco is just slightly better than the American one since they use the same source. Most likely, it was all shot on 16mm anyway and is really not super-high quality to begin with.

This film on eBay may have the potential of yielding something better than what already has been preserved, but it'll need to be in perfect shape and will probably still take a lot of work.

Quite a while back there was talk about using the American laserdisc rip to erase the subtitles of the Japanese laserdisc rip. I imagine it would be easier today than when it was first briefly discussed.

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Maybe it is your version I have, then, RowMan. I don't recall for sure if it has subtitles since it's been a while since I watched it. But, the LD rip I have of SPFX:TheESB has Japanese subtitles, I think.

 

adywan said: I didn't know there was a version of TMOSW that had a different narration to William Conrads though. That would be a great little bonus if someone could rip the audio of the alternate narration.

 

Adywan, I can try to help you with that if you like. PM me.

 

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EditDroid did an excellent laserdisc rip of all 4 Making Of specials that makes up the first 2 discs in their Special Features 4xDVD set.  They have the Japanese subtitles, of course, but I think they may be the best capture out there.

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Dr_Gonzo authored and released DVDs made from babyhum's captures of the Japanese LDs.

Haven't compared them head-to-head with EditDroid's . . . .

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There's another 16mm print of this on ebay right now if anyone's interested.

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The EditDroid 4-disc "Specials" set is the best in my opinion.  The only drawback is the burned in subtitles, which was unavoidable.  I think I have a Betamax copy of the "Making of" special... I just don't have a player... Next to the Japanese laserdiscs, I would suspect the Betamax release would probably be the next best quality commercial release.

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I too have a betamax copy of the making of star wars and empire strikes back on a single long playing tape.  Not sure if that makes it less as good than if they were on seperate releases.

As far as i know the tape is virtually in unplayed condition.   Cannot determine the condition of the tapes tracking without a player.  All too often the tapes are stored improperly or have tape rot.

Even with storing my vhs rental tape of star wars properly and it had been resealed airtight for years it still has tape rot.  I mean a vhs tape from what 1982.  Surprised if it works at all.

Then my CAV 1985 fullscreen laserdisc copy appears to be from the same master and is also a rotter,lol.

I thought babyhum's releases were captured but never released?

He had intended to but then he never released them.

I know the dr.gonzo releases came out earlier unless a v2 was put out with the babyhum transfers.  I used to have the dr gonzo ones, and form what i have seen of the editdroid the quality is a bit better if on less discs which means they were more compressed.  You would think more space used would mean better quality.  The only noticeable difference is that the audio has been transfered as ac3 to save space on the dvd.  I usually prefer a true preservation of the laserdisc audio in pcm. Even though the making ofs are usually mono sound only with the possibility of 2 channel reproduction and compatability.

Not sure if editdroid used the older release of from star wars  jedi that was not remastered and you could buy seperately and it had a mono analog audiotrack.  The remaster came only in a boxset of the japan release of the clv re-issues of the defintive collection with a digital monaural audio track.

The funny thing is i have read i think on laserdisc database that the same master was used but the newer one looks better does not suffer from laser rot and has digital audio. They probably applied a light pass on dnr at the mastering stage for the quote "remaster".

These programs supposedly were all shot on 16mm film and the three making ofs from earlier on usually come on faded prints.  Though from star wars to jedi could be found and purchased at one point on 16mm LPPnon fading stock and the print i once saw on sale had great color reproduction that makes the laserdiscs a joke.

Good luck on finding a copy now though and trying to get a transfer done.  No telecine place will touch commercially copywritten releases.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Blimey. Does Skyjedi always post like a one-man Wikipedia?