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What if Lucasfilm "stole" a preservation?

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I wasn't sure where to post this question but I figured this was as good a place as any.

What if Lucasfilm "stole" a preservation/restoration?  Like let's assume they decide to release the OOT on blu ray, but rather than restore the films themselves, they released one of the fan restorations like Harmy's or Team-1's or Team Blu's claiming it as their own restoration?  Would they be permitted from a legal standpoint to do this given it is their film?  Or, even though it was a non-profit effort, would they still have to credit the people who worked on the project?  And if they didn't, would said fans who worked on it have any case if they wanted to sue?

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My understanding is, while it would be a dick move, they'd prolly be within their rights.

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Look at it another way...

If they don't steal a preservation, I give them a 0% chance of getting it right.  They'll certainly use the '81 crawl, quite likely will use the '93 audio, and there's also a good chance they'll mess something else up along the way (colors, etc).

If they steal a preservation, their chances of getting it right improve dramatically.

Not to mention, the ultimate point of preservation is to ensure the originals survive.  If they steal it and release it through your normal retail channels, that goal is achieved (admittedly by hook and crook).

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They are waiting  for team_negative1 to finish and then they will steal that.

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Oh, I understand that if they were to steal a preservation, it would likely be superior to anything they'd do on their own.  My question was not of the benefits of them doing this but more of the legality of if they did it.

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red5-626 said:

They are waiting  for team_negative1 to finish and then they will steal that.

 I'm sure they wouldn't just scan a superior print on superior equipment at a higher resolution if we're even playing with the idea of them using a screening print.

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No one has mentioned Legacy yet.

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Darth Lucas said:

What if Lucasfilm "stole" a preservation/restoration?

 Well I think they'd be in trouble with Disney's lawyers.

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I don't see how any preservation would have a legal standing against Disney/LFL if it were "stolen".

And why would they even seek a legal resolution? I'd imagine the preservationists would be thrilled to have their projects stolen.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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We wouldn't mind it, if they borrowed or used parts of it all.

Doubt it would ever happen though. Non-issue to us.

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If Lucasfilm used a fan preservation, no matter how good, even the Legacy project, they would get hammered critically and by fans for not being up to the task of preserving and presenting their own work. In fact, I wouldn't like it as it would not represent how they wish to ideally present the original theatrical cuts of the films to the world using their own scans and restoration decisions.

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If Disney and Team N1 we're teaming up for an official Blu-Ray they'd get my pre-order.

If they stole it it, eh i'd still buy, but it would be nice if the people responsible for the work got their credit too.

I do want to see both Disney and N1 make their own preservations/releases though, the more the merrier.

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That would be in total reverse of the law they own the copyright.

How can you steal what is yours already.

Star Wars is not a public domain work.  But that was already known or stolen would not be in quotes.

It would be an asshole thing to do but fan projects are something they looked the other way over at least with fan fiction and fan films.

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ray_afraid said:

It would be a shitty move, but if they steal Mike Verta's Legacy Edition, at least we will know we're getting a proper restoration.

Really though, they just just pay him for it when he's finished and give him proper credit.

 

Really, though, it should just be an audition piece.  If I could get my hands on the negatives we could finally bring order to the galaxy.

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mverta said:

Really, though, it should just be an audition piece.  If I could get my hands on the negatives we could finally bring order to the galaxy.

Do you feel you could outdo what you've already achieved if you had your hands on their best elements?

Because you're already performing miracles. I had to have a sit down after watching the Reliance comparison today.

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Yeah, if you're insinuating that you could do a significantly better job given just adding the negatives to your list of resources then that just makes me wonder what you possibly think you could get out of it!  I look at what you've done and seriously feel its the best it could possibly be.  I mean what else could there be to pull out of it?

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I want to see what Mike could do with a well played pan and scan VHS of Star Wars, now there's a challenge!

Actually, that'd be quite an insight into how much can be pulled from a VHS source and brought up to standard as there's a lot of vintage television and historical oddities that only exist on the videotapes of early video recorder adopters.

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If I had the negatives, I estimate I could get about 5-10% more detail, color fidelity and dynamic range.  10% at the outside; probably being generous.  I'm basing that on the difference between the best looking official shots I've seen and my best attempts at them. But there are many times in which I'm outperforming the official releases (like some of these Reliance clips) just for the simple reason that I give a shit, know the material, have tools specifically designed for this film, and will take the time and go to the lengths necessary to get it right. Mostly though, it just bothers me on principle, how far I have to go; I'd rather be spending the energy finessing the negative than trying to turn a print into one, that's all.  But it's an evolutionary process.  Just last week I stumbled upon a refinement that's giving me another couple percentage points of a quality bump.

I'll go on the record and say this: if the Reliance restoration is a 4K OT, there will be sections better than I can do, and sections for which Legacy is better. Also Legacy's color will likely be more historically accurate end-to-end. I can almost guarantee that.

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Them's fightin' words.

I get the impression you're gearing up for a trip to Disney with the completed Legacy edition, switching on the digital projector and stating with no bravado, just the evidence in front of them, that you have the definitive theatrical edition all ready to be stamped onto both HD and 4K blu-rays and that you will take a commission to complete the trilogy.

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It's just how it is.  You know, a bunch of stuff in the Archives was mislabeled and mis-identified until a particularly obsessive costume/prop fan got the chance to go in there and straighten it out.  

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mverta said:

...that I give a shit...

I'll go on the record and say this: if the Reliance restoration is a 4K OT, there will be sections better than I can do, and sections for which Legacy is better. Also Legacy's color will likely be more historically accurate end-to-end. I can almost guarantee that.

1. You've just defined the work of every restorer trying to restore the OT in one short sentence; it's something sorely lacking from those with the official materials at hand sadly.

2. Re: Reliance... I am beginning to seriously doubt that's true when looking at your videos!