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moviefreakedmind said:

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s such a short read that I’d say it’s worth it. There’s also more than just inconsistencies. There’s about thirty extra pages of material to the revised version.

I’ve never read anything by Stephen King (and I don’t really plan to), but wouldn’t the original version be what he intended to be published after originally finishing the book? Like, wouldn’t all that extra material just be essentially filler? It just seems like a Special Edition situation from the POV of someone who’s never read them.

The revised version fits much better within the seven-part story. Supposedly the original book was more of a collection of five loosely connected short stories (so he says) than it was the first entry in one epic novel.

Pretty much my point. He changed the story and made additions to make it align with the sequels, rather than letting people read the book for what it was. Not that it would be nearly as bad as the SE situation, I just thought it sounded like the same sort of jimmerjammering Lucas did.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

A Study in Scarlet by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Actually reading some Holmes stories like I told myself I would do years ago. I like it.

Those early stories from before Doyle nailed the formula down are pretty far out. I don’t know how far in you are so I won’t go into any specifics, but that one takes a hard left turn around the halfway point and gets into some decidedly un-Sherlock Holmes-y territory.

Anyway, I’m reading The Ghost Notebooks by Ben Dolnick after reading a blurb about it on the AV Club. It’s all right. I’ll probably put a pin in it and start on the TLJ novelization tomorrow.

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Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s such a short read that I’d say it’s worth it. There’s also more than just inconsistencies. There’s about thirty extra pages of material to the revised version.

I’ve never read anything by Stephen King (and I don’t really plan to), but wouldn’t the original version be what he intended to be published after originally finishing the book? Like, wouldn’t all that extra material just be essentially filler? It just seems like a Special Edition situation from the POV of someone who’s never read them.

The revised version fits much better within the seven-part story. Supposedly the original book was more of a collection of five loosely connected short stories (so he says) than it was the first entry in one epic novel.

Pretty much my point. He changed the story and made additions to make it align with the sequels, rather than letting people read the book for what it was. Not that it would be nearly as bad as the SE situation, I just thought it sounded like the same sort of jimmerjammering Lucas did.

The difference is that King’s revision expanded the story and made it more consistent within the world that its characters inhabit. Lucas just added hideous CGI to the screen.

EDIT: And before anyone says anything, yes, the big difference between whether revisionism is obnoxious or not is whether it improves the quality of the piece. Controversial around here, I know.

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The first book was five short stories, that were published separately over the course of a couple of years. The original published novel was those stories collected and revised.

But yeah, the story evolved as he wrote further novels, and the first one ended up being the most out-of-sync with the rest, so when he wrote the last three after his accident, he went back and revised it again to better fit the overall story.

He’d talked a bit about going back and revising the other books in the series once it was all done, but I doubt that’ll ever happen.

To use a Star Wars metaphor, it’d be like if the first movie was set in 3251, the Death Star blows up Earth, and the Emperor was two different people, but then Empire and Jedi were released afterward exactly as we have them now. So then George went back and removed the date references, changed the name Earth to Alderaan, and removed any references to there being two leaders of the Empire.

It’s not as dramatic as all that, mind you, but that’ll give you an idea of what sort of things were changed in the revised version of DT1.

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I think most here would agree there’s nothing inherently wrong with the idea of an SE.

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I know, I just felt like Dek’s appraisal of the revision of The Gunslinger as being an unfair criticism of something that he hadn’t read based purely on the fact that it was a changed version of a preexisting work. It’s something I see on this site quite a bit, though not from everybody.

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I wasn’t trying to say that the revision was inherently bad, I was just saying, from the point of view of someone who hasn’t read it, that it may be better for someone to read the unrevised version of something if it was a case similar to the SE films.

Also considering this post:

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He’s already like halfway through, though, and the revised came out right before books 5-7, so people were able to deal with the inconsistencies for decades without much trouble.

And I’m not going to be ashamed of my generally purist nature! 😉

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The “nineteen” change during the Tull section is actually something “Gunslinger purists” point to as a negative change in the revised version, as it makes one of Roland’s actions a bit more sympathetic than it originally was. I don’t think it was on the same level as the Han/Greedo scene (and having access to Roland’s internal thoughts during the scene keeps it a pretty despicable thing for him to do, even if it was doing the other person a favor in a cosmic sense in the revised version), but it’s somewhat similar.

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Maybe, but it also gives him a logical reason to do what he did when he didn’t originally.

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The book was so short, I think I’ll buy the revisited edition before moving on to book 2.
Seems like I may be heading into confusion otherwise.

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s such a short read that I’d say it’s worth it. There’s also more than just inconsistencies. There’s about thirty extra pages of material to the revised version.

I’ve never read anything by Stephen King (and I don’t really plan to), but wouldn’t the original version be what he intended to be published after originally finishing the book? Like, wouldn’t all that extra material just be essentially filler? It just seems like a Special Edition situation from the POV of someone who’s never read them.

The revised version fits much better within the seven-part story. Supposedly the original book was more of a collection of five loosely connected short stories (so he says) than it was the first entry in one epic novel.

Pretty much my point. He changed the story and made additions to make it align with the sequels, rather than letting people read the book for what it was. Not that it would be nearly as bad as the SE situation, I just thought it sounded like the same sort of jimmerjammering Lucas did.

But The Gunslinger Book One isn’t it’s own story with the next books being it’s sequels. It’s not like Star Wars.

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Yeah. A Stephen King SE equivalent example would be if he went back and made drastic changes to The Shining so that it would fit in with things in Dr. Sleep even though Dr. Sleep was written almost forty years later.

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I should also say that I don’t think you’d be confused having read the original version, I think you’d just notice that King obviously changed his mind on how he wanted to portray Roland and his world once he got to the next volumes in the story.

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Tried multiple times to get into Cephrael’s Hand by Melissa McPhail, but just couldn’t get drawn in to it. Still listening to War and Peace, but at the rate of a “book” between every other novel I listen to.

I’m now up to having finished book 4 of The Land/Chaos Seeds LitRPG series. The narrator for it is Nick Podehl, and I like his narration a lot. He also is the narrator for Cephrael’s Hand which makes me somewhat sad to feel I can’t get into it.

So… having looked at other books by Nick Podehl (and also books published by Podium Publishing who published the Expeditionary Force series and The Martian) I started listening to Free the Darkness, King’s Dark Tidings book 1.

Fantastic story, and I’m only on Chapter 4 so far.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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I also just noticed that Star Wars: The Last Jedi has been released on audiobook. I looked at the cover art and immediately recalled someone here saying how the cover for Fire and Fury sucked:

 
So… I made my own cover. I’m fairly picky about my audiobook covers looking nice.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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I like the top one better actually

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dahmage said:

I like the top one better actually

I don’t like the mass of white space. The poster itself is easy to replace. Often times I do actually store multiple different art for book/shows/movies on my server and I switch them out if or when I feel like it.

I’ve become adept enough from making cover art for fan edits that the hardest part in making a good cover is finding decent HD posters that crop well to a square shape. Adding text is super easy.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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It looks better as a physical book, but then again, so does everything.

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chyron8472 said:

So… having looked at other books by Nick Podehl (and also books published by Podium Publishing who published the Expeditionary Force series and The Martian) I started listening to Free the Darkness, King’s Dark Tidings book 1.

I finished Free the Darkness. Can now confirm. Fantastic. I will definitely listen to the rest of the series but my wife says she will only get into it when the series concludes.

My wife feels burned by certain authors who start a series and yet take umpteen years between books such that it seems the series finale will never be written; as well as Robert Jordan in particular, who released pointless book after pointless book in the Wheel of Time series, such that the original author died before finishing the series. So my wife is inclined to wait until a book series ends before starting it.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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The Last Jedi novelization starts out slow in the beginning, but it gets to be good by the end. The story does flesh out the thoughts or motivations of certain characters as well as certain events in the film. While it does answer certain questions the film raises, it also does so as the expense of proper pacing. In effect, the novelization is a good supplement to the film, but is only a decent novel in its own right.

I only recommend reading the novel if you love the film. If you only like the film or haven’t watched it, the novel will probably be “meh.”

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Much like Haldeman’s first Trek novel, Planet of Judgment, World Without End started strong but fizzled out at the end. I haven’t read any of Haldeman’s other stuff, so I don’t know if the short page count of these books hindered his storytelling, or if he just generally sucks at endings.

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A Game of Thrones by George R.R. Martin. I really, really need a chart of some sort to keep track of everybody in this goddamn thing.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Frankenstein by Mary Shelley

My favorite class-required read. I’m tempted to steal this class copy.

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