I assume there is a group with sufficient talent who have already considered how to repair, or are in the process of repairing, the PT along the lines of The Phantom Edit...however, to make such a task easier, to focus on salvaging as much as possible, as well as to create as little disruption as necessary, is there a straight-forward method to greatly improve what is?
The essence would be to provide simple solutions that might be offered to create at least a viewable (as opposed to a perfected) series.
My suggestions:
1) Replace the voice of Jar Jar
2) Replace the comments of the droid army members
These changes might allow a sufficiently improved tone to then justify further refinements that might, as a total, possibly aide some of us to recover from the PTSD* that many of us might have suffered as a result of viewing these films without being sufficiently warned.
*Prequels that Tarnished StarWars Disorder
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Sorry, but I don't agree with either of those suggestions.
1. If you're going to replace Jar Jar's voice, you might as well replace the voices of the other gungans as well.
2. I never had a problem with the droid voices. To be fair, I could take the droid voices of TPM and AOTC more seriously than the ones from ROTS.
I think one of the biggest ways to fix the prequels is to fix the romance, especially in AOTC. IMO, that was one of the worst parts of that movie.
If only I was old enough to have seen the imax cut of episode 2...
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I was just watching one version of a Phantom Edit that tried to remove Jar Jar, but the movie really suffered from it. There's a whole lot of emotionless faces and people just standing around. I think with a change of voice and a change of dialogue, Jar Jar could be one of the best characters in the movie.
I envision him like a court jester, making jokes and acting up, yet also adding intelligent yet camouflaged commentary on the political situation. He would also know about Jedi and the Force, and comment on their corruption and ineptitude.
Someone get on this!
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There are a lot of prequel edits that do things similar to your suggestions already. MagnoliaFan replaced Jar Jar and the Nemoidians' dialogue with a mashup of various foreign and reversed language tracks, then gave them new lines with subtitles, and most edits I've seen reduce or eliminate the droid voices entirely.
1. Get David Lynch to re-edit it.
2. Shatter the DVDs/Blu-rays and incorporate them into an abstract sculpture.
3. Emigrate to a parallel universe where they were good movies to begin with.
DuracellEnergizer said:
1. Get David Lynch to re-edit it.
He said fix it, not make it incomprehensible.
Fixing the whole prequel trilogy would mean re-writing and re-shooting the whole thing.
As far as making the best of The Phantom Menace goes, I like seciors' Return of the Sith. I haven't seen the Magnoliafan changes to Jar Jar's voice, but I suspect that if you added the voice change and subtitles to seciors' edit, you'd be very close.
Are there any other fanedits that changed Jar Jar's voice?
TV's Frink said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
1. Get David Lynch to re-edit it.
He said fix it, not make it incomprehensible.
You make it sound as if the two are mutually exclusive.
HAL 9000's trilogy edits are my preferred ones, but Seciors' are good, too. So are l8wrtr's. Probably the top three I've seen. (None of them do the voice change/dubbing thing, though.)
The only film of PT that can be fixed by editing is TPM. AOTC and ROTS are unfixable. If you wanted to fix them you would need to remove 70% of the scenes related to the main character (Anakin) where he acts like an annoying unlikable jerk. If you did that then the films would no longer make any sense since it was the storyline that prescribed him being an annoying unlikeable jerk. Even a remake would not fix them since the foundations (storyline, main character) would have to be completely altered.
真実
The only things I like about any of the PT is the look of the pod racer vehicles and casting Ewan McGreggor as Obi-Wan. But I hate the pod race and PT Obi-Wan.
So, In my opinion, you're gonna have to do quite a bit more than change Jar-Jars voice to "fix" these films.
Honestly, I can't think of anything from the PT I'd wanna keep.
So, my post is useless.
As usual.
imperialscum said:
The only film of PT that can be fixed by editing is TPM.
I'm not even with you on that one. Having Anakin be born on Tatooine, and sticking us as viewers on Tatooine, again, was a terrible idea. Casting him as an 8 year old, golden haired chipmunk with a cringeworthy love interest 10 years older than him, was a series of terrible ideas. To make matters worse, Jake Lloyd was terrible, and there's no getting around that. Not to say I didn't enjoy parts of all the prequel movies, but none of them can be truly fixed.
Nocturnaloner said:
imperialscum said:
The only film of PT that can be fixed by editing is TPM.
I'm not even with you on that one. Having Anakin be born on Tatooine, and sticking us as viewers on Tatooine, again, was a terrible idea. Casting him as an 8 year old, golden haired chipmunk with a cringeworthy love interest 10 years older than him, was a series of terrible ideas. To make matters worse, Jake Lloyd was terrible, and there's no getting around that. Not to say I didn't enjoy parts of all the prequel movies, but none of them can be truly fixed.
Jake Lloyd was just fine. Find me an actor in all of stage and film who could deliver those lines in a way that DOESN'T make them awful and insipid.
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TheBoost said:
Jake Lloyd was just fine. Find me an actor in all of stage and film who could deliver those lines in a way that DOESN'T make them awful and insipid.
It's definitely possible that with a different director and script, he could have given a good performance. If you only saw Natalie Portman's 'kabuki makeup' scenes, you might think that the mannequin they hung her costume on was a better actress than her, and she has been truly great in the right roles.
Nocturnaloner said:
imperialscum said:
The only film of PT that can be fixed by editing is TPM.
I'm not even with you on that one. Having Anakin be born on Tatooine, and sticking us as viewers on Tatooine, again, was a terrible idea. Casting him as an 8 year old, golden haired chipmunk with a cringeworthy love interest 10 years older than him, was a series of terrible ideas. To make matters worse, Jake Lloyd was terrible, and there's no getting around that. Not to say I didn't enjoy parts of all the prequel movies, but none of them can be truly fixed.
I am not saying TPM is good. I am just saying that pretty much anything in TPM is lightyears better than the annoying unlikable Anakin in AOTC and ROTS.
真実
It seems like you are asking for the Fall Of The Jedi edits. They, (and similar Edits,) have made the PT as watchable as they're ever going to be. I'm sure there are a million little things I've missed, but FOTJ edit basically removes most of the cringe-inducing moments and the moments which contradict the OT. The FOTJ edits are house canon for us.
Where might I be able to get these?
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Take thee to fanedit.org for information about the edits and fanedit.info to download them.
WARNING JEDIT: I'm a moderator at .org, so tread lightly. ;-)
TV's Frink said:
I'm a moderator at .org, so tread lightly. ;-)
In other words, sanity can get you banned there :P
...JK
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
Q2's FOTJ trilogy was the first (finished edit) to feature Padme surviving Episode III to raise an infant Leia on Alderaan, which is a small but important "fix" for continuity with the OT.
Danfun128 said:
TV's Frink said:
I'm a moderator at .org, so tread lightly. ;-)In other words, sanity can get you banned there :P
No, just mention of timelines, universes, and/or multiverses.
Definitely will be checking out Fall of the Jedi now.
TV's Frink said:
Take thee to fanedit.org for information about the edits and fanedit.info to download them.
WARNING JEDIT: I'm a moderator at .org, so tread lightly. ;-)
Thank you...will do! (x 2)
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“It wasn’t the flood that destroyed the pantry…”
My main bag with TPM is the pointless meandering of the plot.
The Jedi come from Coruscant to Naboo pick up the queen, stob off on Tatooine, go to Coruscant and then go back to Naboo.
It makes for a much better flow if they start on Coruscant, head to Naboo with the queen but have to stob off on Tatooine and then go to Naboo.
Everything moves in one direction.
Similarly in AOTC it starts on Coruscant Anakin and Padme go to Naboo and then Tatooine and then a slightly differently tinted desert while Ben goes to Kamino to not solve the mystery and then goes to the red desert.
Line it all up. There is no mystery about the clones (the senate has voted for them) so the inspection scene is just that an isolated scene near the beginning of the film of a worried Obi-Wan inspecting the new troops no Fett required.
The vote is now about officially deploying the existing army. Ben and Anakin split up protecting and investigating the attack on Padme but both end up on Tatooine which has been invaded by the Separatists.
Universe shrinkage perhaps but it makes the story faster and more plausible.
Generally speaking the films need less 'ship landing and taking off' moments.
DuracellEnergizer said:
Danfun128 said:
TV's Frink said:
I'm a moderator at .org, so tread lightly. ;-)In other words, sanity can get you banned there :P
No, just mention of timelines, universes, and/or multiverses.
Well, so much for any fanedit based off anything, except maybe a pre Genesis 1:1 or pre Big Bang (or whatever you believe came before the universe began).
edit: oh wait, even pre-universe, there has to be a universe. I guess Cthulhu-Frink is more than a funny name in the "five word at a time story" thread
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