The 2008 'The Clone Wars' animated theatrical movie - a general discussion thread — Page 10

sunday256 said:

lordjedi said:

Crygor64 said:

Others are just too old for this shit.

 

I couldn't have said it any better.  This movie is shit, pure and simple.

rcb said:

if u think u can do better, get ur friends together and make a clone wars movie the way u think it should be made!

 

I love this.  Any time someone criticizes a movie for being crap, it's always "go make your own".  Well, why can't the Director and Creator just make something good instead of throwing a bunch of shit on the screen that he thinks kids will like?  He didn't seem to have a problem doing that in 77, but in 2008 he has failed miserably.

 

You may think it's shit, but it's obvious that not everyone feels that way. At least Lucas is staying true to his vision instead of putting out movies based on poll results. If he had done that, then the Star Wars movie that was released in 77 would have been far different.

He's entitled to his own vision, whether you and I like it or not. Hate the movie if you want, yeah keep trash talking it. But you might be better off if you did something more constructive with your time.

 

Haha, yeah, because I obviously spend all day here (check out the time of the post before that last one).

Lucas' isn't staying true to any "vision".  The "vision" he claims to have is nothing more than revisionist history.  Vader being Luke's dad was done for dramatic purposes.  Leia being his sister was also done for dramatic purposes and was definitely a last minute after thought.  There is no grand vision and there never was.  If there were, the prequels would not have nearly the amount of problems and continuity flaws with the originals that they do.

ANH was groundbreaking and a huge success at the box office.  Even Lucas didn't think it would do as well as it did.  But Lucas also wasn't the only one in control back then.  There were all kinds of people involved.  It was truly a collaborative effort, unlike everything he's done since the SEs.

It's quite obvious to me that a majority of moviegoers think Tropic Thunder and The House Bunny are better movies than The Clone Wars.  How else do you explain that a Star Wars movie premieres at #3 and then drops to #5 after a week?  That's unheard of for Star Wars.  If I were a betting man, I'd guess that The Clone Wars will be out of the top 10 by next weekend.  There's a 3 day weekend coming up and Babylon AD will be released.  Even if it does remain in the top 10, I'm sure it'll drop 2-3 spots again.  That is sad.

rcb said:

only over the years the star wars fan base has been getting bigger and bigger. until george lucas stops reminding us of star wars and any novels are stopped written and those that already have been r forgotten, only then will star wars die. right now i think it'll be around for awhile whether u like it or not.

This is a kinda sad defence. Are you basically saying that Star Wars is alive because of all the novels and tangential projects going on? Is that all that keeps Star Wars in the minds of its fans? Is Star Wars only popular because of its popularity? If so, then I welcome the "death" of Star Wars.

In the 80s, the public grew tired of Lucas' tagential Star Wars projects (Ewok movies, droid and ewok cartoons). From all outward appearances, Star Wars died. In the early 90s it was reborn as a more serious and mature franchise, all because it had never really died in the hearts of the "true believers" in the first place. Maybe (I hope) the same thing will happen again.

I don't know.  I'm hoping it might just die from the public eye entirely rather than this slow, painful death it's being put through right now. 

Erikstormtrooper said:

rcb said:

only over the years the star wars fan base has been getting bigger and bigger. until george lucas stops reminding us of star wars and any novels are stopped written and those that already have been r forgotten, only then will star wars die. right now i think it'll be around for awhile whether u like it or not.

 

This is a kinda sad defence. Are you basically saying that Star Wars is alive because of all the novels and tangential projects going on? Is that all that keeps Star Wars in the minds of its fans? Is Star Wars only popular because of its popularity? If so, then I welcome the "death" of Star Wars.

In the 80s, the public grew tired of Lucas' tagential Star Wars projects (Ewok movies, droid and ewok cartoons). From all outward appearances, Star Wars died. In the early 90s it was reborn as a more serious and mature franchise, all because it had never really died in the hearts of the "true believers" in the first place. Maybe (I hope) the same thing will happen again.

Mark Hamill once said "I don't think it ever left!".  That was in response to a question, after the SEs came out "Are you happy to see Star Wars back?"

We don't need a constant stream of books, movies, video games, comics, and toys to keep Star Wars alive.  We just need a few good stories and our memories.

So is this piece of shit turkey supposed to come to dvd in november sometime?

I saw a listing on amazon uk for both the dvd and blu ray versions.

Clone Wars quality is strictly direct to dvd quality, not even television quality.  Yet here it is up on the silver screen.

I cannot believe Dave Filoni who made the generally well received Avatar the Last Airbender worked on this crap.  I guess i have to think Lucas had a hand in the movie Like Indiana IV so the big cringe worthy moments are his.

Man...This is just a tv show, and it wasn't that bad. I'd rather watch the Clone Wars with my little boy than half the shit that's on TV at the moment. If I'm gonna watch shit, I may as well watch Star Wars shit. But really, it wasn't that shit. Shit man!!

The fact that Dave Filoni directed it has actually piqued my curiosity more than the fact that it's Star Wars.  I'm a big Avatar fan (recently), so I was quite surprised to learn, after I heard all the bad press about this movie, that it was an Avatar director who had done it.  So it's been a slight interest of mine to watch it and compare it to some of the work he's done on Avatar.  Unfortunately, it hasn't piqued my interest enough to actually go do it.  I'll probably wait until it comes out on DVD and just rent it.

Lucas excuses the wooden animation as based on the Gerry Anderson Thunderbirds. Wtf?

Did not the creators of South Park release a movie which made fun of that style?

Puppets on wires are not hand drawn animation and neither is bogus cgi rendered like a ps2 cut scene.

I have seen fluid animation that is surprisingly lifelike in Final Fantasy the Spirits Withing and Appleseed: Ex Machina, as well as the Incredibles by Pixar none of which is seen here.

Still the cg comes off as lifeless unlike Live Action or Hand drawn traditional animation.

Animation is still not close enough to replicating real human expression and movement, again the closest thing I have ever seen was spirits withing and that is dated now.

Wall-E will most likely win the Academy Award for animation. Eventually the Clone Wars movie will be in a bargain dvd bin for five bucks.

Another film that is a trial run for pushing the state of the art in Lucas computer devision, a film that lacks a good story and i am sure there are grade schoolers who could write a better story than Lucas he is all washed up.

I mean the dude should have remained retired after Return Of the Jedi. AT least then he would not be shitting all over the good movies he made, and forever ruined the saga with the prequels and special editions neither which was needed or wanted . His legacy is now one of being a pariah instead of a hero to the masses of sci fi fans and film goers.

I think i am glad now that he did not do episodes 7-9 because they would have destroyed the original characterizations Of Luke, Han and Leia. Only to be Replaced with bad dialogue and crappy and useless and moronic cgi, plus he would have had plenty of fart and poop jokes. Perhaps even creating a bad racist character sidekick who is useless and the audience wants to see die a horrible death.

Also Spielberg should retire as well War of the Worlds and Kingdom of the Crystal skull are Turkeys unworthy of his prior good movies.

Hey, check out this BoxOffice Mojo vs page

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=animationactionvs.htm

lordjedi said:

Hey, check out this BoxOffice Mojo vs page

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=animationactionvs.htm

Clone Wars doesn't disclose the budget....strange.

I wonder if it cost more than 25 million dollars to make.

Wow, Final Fantasy cost 137 million dollars to make? There's been inflation since then . . . That had to hurt. Clone Wars is probably doing a lot better than that.

From the article on the previous page:

In the case of “The Clone Wars” he is financing the series himself and charging Time Warner licensing fees to distribute the film and broadcast the show. (A person with knowledge of the company’s animation operations, speaking anonymously to avoid offending Mr. Lucas, said that the earliest episodes of “The Clone Wars” probably cost $750,000 to $1.5 million each.

Definitely under 5 million. Add the cost of prints and distribution. A pretty cheap exercise.

Tiptup said:

Wow, Final Fantasy cost 137 million dollars to make? There's been inflation since then . . . That had to hurt. Clone Wars is probably doing a lot better than that.

Oh, yeah.  Final Fantasy was considered one of the biggest box-office bombs in history, sadly.  Granted, it didn't do that poorly, but it was just nearly impossible for it to break even with a production budget that huge.  Its huge failure was one of the main reasons that Square soon after merged with competitor Enix.

I actually like the Final Fantasy movie aside from the somewhat lack of emotion the characters displayed.  I blame that on the fact that it was 100% CG, so the animators had to do everything themselves.  I was shocked to see one of the main characters was the spitting image of Ben Affleck.

But yeah, there's no way FF could have made its budget back.  I wonder if they even ever intended to.  The movie seemed more like an excercise of "can we do this" than "can we do this successfully".  I think, for its time, it did a pretty good job showing us what was possible.

I saw it with my girlfriend on Sunday.  And guess what?

I liked it.  I really enjoyed it.  We both did.

Now, we both still have big problems with the prequels.  But I tried to go into the theater with no real expectations either way.  And I quite honestly had a really good time watching it.  It reminded me of reading the old Marvel Star Wars comic books back when I was a kid, or the newspaper strips.  It was basically just fun stories set in the Star Wars universe.  They didn't always have to be great, but they were always exciting to read.  And something about this being animated rather than live-action gave it an excuse to be less serious.  I really laughed at some of the jokes that would have irritated me in a live-action film (the battle droid screaming "whyyyyyyy?!" when Ventress force-throws him off the ledge is one good example - I pointed and guffawed!).  I didn't find myself cringing like I did with the prequels.  I think I had a smile on my face the whole time.

I do need to mention though that we were absolutely the only people in the theater.  Period.  I don't think I've ever had an entire theater to myself before.  Of course I didn't mind; we could sit anywhere in the whole place and make as much noise as we wanted.  But it did drive home the point that this film has really bombed.  I don't think it really deserved to bomb like it did (far worse films that deserved to bomb have done far better), but on the other hand I do hope it finally sends a wake-up call to George Lucas that the majority of the fans have had enough of buying anything he wants to sell them.

Personally, I'm excited to see more chapters of the Clone Wars... but realistically I really do think it's time for Lucas to put Star Wars aside and move on.  You cut the golden goose open, George, and there's nothing in there but entrails now.  Concentrate on the golden eggs you already have called the Original Trilogy... polish them up properly before you sell them (again), and then move on and make some great, non-Star Wars movies.  Please.

--SKot

i'll be posting some more screen caps of more great scenes from the movie shortly..

but crygor64 is missing the point about people that watched the PT, and

still went to see the clone wars in the theater anyways, and still complain..

people will always find something to complain about,

thats why we're here,

that's why this board is here..

heck, thats why half the internet is here..

if we never had problems with Lucas, the films, or anything else,

no one would be here posting anything...

and thats why it still surprises me at times (not anymore), about why

dont people just ignore Star Wars SE, the PT, the clone wars, and everything else that

comes out..... and just leave the rest of the people (not only tfn, or starwars.com people),

who actually do enjoy them, to have them to watch, and enjoy.. [or maybe i just answered

my own question ... see above, about people who's only point is to complain]..

you know the LUCAS stopped catering to the 'real' fans a long time ago in a galaxy

far, far away......  so why do you have 'a new hope' that he will actully put something

out again that you will enjoy??????????

if you don't 'move along' with what he's doing, then you're doomed to keep being

disappointed, and keep complaining -> endless loop

later

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more awesome shots from the film..

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all the bad guys looking evil

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a look at more battle vehicles..

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obi wan using jedi powers to the full degree

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clone troopers doing their duty, and just being plain cool...

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anakins turn to use the jedi powers

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the cool looking troop carriers, and flying through the city.

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obi wans awesome space ship.

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old school looking star destroyers and other ships

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obi wan in jabbas palace, shades of 'return of the jedi'..

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the return of the jawas

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a lot more to come..

later

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