The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 5

Rhikter said:

I think that Adywan has an opportunity here to, instead of omit 3PO, do him justice. He could do so by using audio samples from the many EU projects that Anthony Daniels has lent his voice to over the years.

adywan said:

Rhikter said:

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Nice to see you on here Adywan.

I hope this thread is giving you some food for thought.

Another idea that occurred to me was rather than removing Threepio from the prequels perhaps sticking him (the full Gold version) in all of them, in the background as Amidala's personal protocol droid or a droid for general senate use (like a presidential Limousine).

He needn't talk much...maybe some dialogue could be used from elsewhere in prequel trilogy or from other Star Wars projects  should he have to speak.

But it makes much more sense for her to own a protocol droid than for Anakin to build one for his mother.

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by Bingowings:

"Another idea that occurred to me was rather than removing Threepio from the prequels perhaps sticking him (the full Gold version) in all of them..."

Hell, it could be pulled off very convincingly if you outsourced it to someone with green-screen experience and got an actor in a decent looking 3PO costume.  Plus, since the actor in the suit would be able to make gestures appropriate to the lines, you would have a level of control over the direction of the character and his function in the story that you would not have if you were just redubbing existing 3PO footage with sampled Anthony Daniels dialogue.  Adywan has already proven his proficiency with changing backgrounds completely, so this could be very feasible.

There are lots of productions with Threepio in them that aren't Star Wars movies (The Making of Star Wars, The Muppet Show, the anti smoking adverts, etc) perhaps the footage could be taken from some of those, cleaned up, colour corrected and scaled to the footage it's being inserted into without using a fan in a suit.

It would be nice to put this material into a true Star Wars film.

Rhikter said:                                                                                                                                                                             I'd never opt for a CG 3PO though.  I think we can all agree that CG 3PO in AotC seemed very "lifeless."

Not to mention headless and gormless.

As for the R2 flying thing, the only instance in which R2 could have made good use of this function in the original trilogy would have been escaping from Jabba's Barge in ROTJ.

As I've said before, I don't mind Ady or anyone else tinkering with Jedi.

It might be easier to put that into Jedi than to take it out of the prequel trilogy.

 said:

Originally posted by Bingowings:

"It might be easier to put [flying R2] into Jedi than to take it out of the prequel trilogy."

Man, I keep debating with myself over whether or not I like flying R2.  Is it so unreasonable to suspect that, between the PT and OT, the jet system was "removed for the adventurous little droid's own good", or that he used it to navigate the bottom of the swamp on Dagobah?

I really like your suggestion too Bingowings.

EDIT: I made a post earlier about how the Kenobi/Grievous rivalry could have been fleshed out more.  It just occurred to me that rivalry could have been a more fleshed out element of the PT in general.  I mean,  we've got the Kenobi/Grievous rivalry, the Padme/Nute Gunray rivalry, and the Anakin/Dooku rivalry.  Granted, as is, they are not very deeply explored, but if they had been it would have added a lot more depth of character to both our heroes and villains.  The Anakin/Dooku rivalry would have been especially fitting considering Anakin, ironically, ends up replacing Dooku as Palpatine's apprentice.

Cheers Rhikter, I love your ideas too.

The only way I can think of padding out the Nute Gunray/Padme angle would be to go down the Magnoliafan route and re-dub all of his lines so he says more. There isn't enough in the current footage to build upon.

The Anakin/Dooku conflict is almost impossible to pad out visually. There is plenty of extra dialogue that might be used in other productions but very little footage which can be adapted to this aim.

I would like the Obi Wan/Dooku confrontration to be removed, Ewan is very wooden in that scene and the dialogue he delivers adds next to nothing to the plot. Christopher Lee turns out a nice performance in that scene and it would make more sense if Anakin was being tempted by him.

Dooku might sense the same potential in Anakin that Palpatine does and fully realise what would have to happen to himself if Skywalker were become Palpatine's apprentice.

After being rejected his next course of action would be to try to remove him.

Here is a 3 minutes 30 secondes 23M Divx video sample of an EP2 edit I've made. R2 is still flying (but trimmed to the minimum), 3PO still looses his head (but all the awful CGI falling is gone). I tried to make that scene less cartoonish and shorter. But I kept all the informations the original has.

http://rapidshare.com/files/166639224/montage_episode_2.divx

Although in my silent edition I just replaced that scene by the Anakin/Padme/Dooku meeting bonus scene. That way you can also cut all the R2/3PO shots in the arena for they are still waiting in the ship.

scene by the Anakin/Padme/Dooku meeting bonus scene

Where can I find this scene?  I've heard about it, but have not seen.

TMBTM said:

Here is a 3 minutes 30 secondes 23M Divx video sample of an EP2 edit I've made. R2 is still flying (but trimmed to the minimum), 3PO still looses his head (but all the awful CGI falling is gone). I tried to make that scene less cartoonish and shorter. But I kept all the informations the original has.

http://rapidshare.com/files/166639224/montage_episode_2.divx

 

Although in my silent edition I just replaced that scene by the Anakin/Padme/Dooku meeting bonus scene. That way you can also cut all the R2/3PO shots in the arena for they are still waiting in the ship.

 

 That's a good edit, but it made me remember how horrendous Episode II is.

UGH.

Good pacing and editing though, I'll give you that.

My problem with R2 flying is that, come ANH, why wouldn't the Rebels think of just stuffing a bomb inside an astromech and having that fly into the Death Star's 2-meter wide exhaust port?

This couldn't really be added into the prequels in the form of a fan-edit, but it's an idea I've had for a while and thought it'd be good to get some feed-back on it.


I personally think that the creation of the Death Star should have had much, much more foreshadowing in the prequel series. If it were up to me, the Republic would be visibly crumbling very early into the series. The first "Death Star" plans would have been made by the Republic itself. Why? As the droid armies are increasing in size, and the Clones (though more intelligent and well-trained) are becoming outnumbered the Republic prepares to create a space station capable of wiping out those worlds on which the droid armies are being made. Concern is swept aside as Palpatine argues that many of the worlds creating the droid armies are in fact mostly unpopulated moons and factory-worlds, their destruction will not mean much he says.

Of course, Obi-Wan is incredulous. He simply cannot believe that things have gone this far. "They'll never do it", he convinces himself. It's only until much later in his life he realizes his grave misjudgment as he recognizes the same space-station that was proposed all those years ago whilst being drawn into it aboard the Millennium Falcon.


Okay, that simply cannot be added using a fan-edit but it's just one of many ideas I have in my head concerning a possible alternate prequel series. I just felt like proposing it somewhere.

thunderclap said:

Bingowings said:

Thanks for letting me know about the Slumberland edits, (they had somehow fallen off my Radar).

I've started to download them now and I'll give them a good look.

Are they up anywhere in a smaller format (AVI for example) my connection is awful here and it would take forever to get the disc image versions?

I don't know of smaller AVI version.  Sorry.

I finally seen all of them and they are good edits, a few jump cuts and imperfections but many great decisions (some of which I've seen elsewhere).

However they aren't very radical edits, not many plot points are changed so they don't really fall into the subject of this thread which is a search for ideas to really shake up the prequels, rather than sanding down the rough and unsightly edges of the trilogy as it currently exists.

has anyone seen infodroids Temple of Doom edit? if you havnt he basically begins the film in the indian jungles, and inserts everything prior to that in flashback form after they reach pankot palace.

could the same be done with TPM perhaps? with the film opening with the naboo cruiser running the blockade? the opening music from ANH could be used pretty nicely perhaps?

if that were too similar to ANH, perhaps it could be opened from when qui gon is leaving for mos espa, but perhaps a more drawn out, more ominous opening with mysterious music with an aproaching figure shimmering on a baked tatooine horizon? id like to see the phantom menace recreated into a stand alone film, as if it were made first and the others were sequels (and maybe its just called star wars....*prepares ones self for projectile rotten fruit*)

ben_danger said:

(and maybe its just called star wars....*prepares ones self for projectile rotten fruit*)

 Consider yourself hit.

UGH. That's TERRIBLE!

*sigh* youre probably right, i know tpm doesnt even deserve the STAR WARS titles association, but maybe after ady is finished with it it may be half good. do you get my theory though?

could the same be done with TPM perhaps? with the film opening with the naboo cruiser running the blockade? the opening music from ANH could be used pretty nicely perhaps?

This is how my edit of TPM starts, mirroring the capture if leia in ANH.  I've also tried to make the movie more of a stand alone movie.  The most radical thing I think I've done though is I've eliminated Jake Lloyd completely, but the plot of the film stays more or less the same.  Strangely I've left Jar-Jar (who I hate less), in the film, but will change his voice later (I was thinking Polish maybe).  I've got the video whittled down and assembled pretty much the way I want it, but haven't touched the audio yet.  I've also tried to remove the more egregious CG elements to make it look closer to the OT.  I've approached te whole thing as if it were say 1974 and Uncle George made TPM.  It'll never be prefect, but Jake Lloyd makes me wanna kill (where as Jar-Jar only makes me want to hit things.)  Mr. Binks becomes much more palatable if you can't hear him.

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by Erikstormtrooper:

"They should have shown why Obi Wan seemed to recognize it in ANH."

Is the fact that he is a Jedi not explanation enough?

That was probably the original intent, but it would have been good to give fans an "oh, that's why!" experience.

To me, the prequels should have really been nothing but one big "oh, that's why!" with some sympathetic protagonists, a single threatening antagonist and action sequences spacing them out.