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of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

‘Star Wars: De-Incest Edition’

Leia is not Luke’s brother- snip out all the pieces of dialogue that say so.

At the top of my head only includes: Some of the stuff Ghost Obi-Wan tells Luke on Dagobah, some of what Luke says to Leia on Endor, and the baby Leia in Episode III (which I know isn’t OT, but still).

None of this would diminish Leia’s role in any of the films and would remove the incest-y details.

alternatively just remove Luke and Leia kissing (both times).

that’s better for me personally. Leia being Luke’s sister is just too iconic and ingrained at this point. Luke and Leia’s conversation in ROTJ is so good and her being used as emotional leverage by Vader also makes it all worth it.

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G&G-Fan said:

of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

‘Star Wars: De-Incest Edition’

Leia is not Luke’s brother- snip out all the pieces of dialogue that say so.

At the top of my head only includes: Some of the stuff Ghost Obi-Wan tells Luke on Dagobah, some of what Luke says to Leia on Endor, and the baby Leia in Episode III (which I know isn’t OT, but still).

None of this would diminish Leia’s role in any of the films and would remove the incest-y details.

alternatively just remove Luke and Leia kissing (both times).

The first time is understandable because she is clearly just mad at Han and wants him to be jealous.

But the second time comes right after she’s fallen in love with Han PLUS there is literally no reason for her to be doing it. Super weird.

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of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

‘Star Wars: De-Incest Edition’

Leia is not Luke’s brother- snip out all the pieces of dialogue that say so.

At the top of my head only includes: Some of the stuff Ghost Obi-Wan tells Luke on Dagobah, some of what Luke says to Leia on Endor, and the baby Leia in Episode III (which I know isn’t OT, but still).

None of this would diminish Leia’s role in any of the films and would remove the incest-y details.

Wouldn’t it be simpler to just remove the kiss in ESB? This way, there isn’t incest and you don’t need to modify nothing but a single scene.

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G&G-Fan said:

that’s better for me personally. Leia being Luke’s sister is just too iconic and ingrained at this point. Luke and Leia’s conversation in ROTJ is so good and her being used as emotional leverage by Vader also makes it all worth it.

Spartacus01 said:

Wouldn’t it be simpler to just remove the kiss in ESB? This way, there isn’t incest and you don’t need to modify nothing but a single scene.

Removing the familial relationship is so much better because the having them pull a sister out of a hat yet having it be an established character only for it to go absolutely nowhere not only shrinks the universe but is just generally the single worst piece of writing in the entire Saga and I’m including Rise of Skywalker in that statement. It’s incredibly clumsy and embarrassing and I hate it.

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Luke and Leia have been siblings now for 40 years. Their sibling status is referenced in hundreds of pieces of media, and a major plot point in many. I don’t think anyone’s getting that boulder to the top of the hill - when the far easier path is to trim a handful of scenes in two pieces of media to remove any romantic implication.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Removing the familial relationship is so much better because the having them pull a sister out of a hat yet having it be an established character only for it to go absolutely nowhere not only shrinks the universe but is just generally the single worst piece of writing in the entire Saga and I’m including Rise of Skywalker in that statement. It’s incredibly clumsy and embarrassing and I hate it.

It doesn’t go nowhere, it’s used by Vader to taunt Luke.

Acting like this is worse then The Rise of Skywalker is so insane it makes me think that you like shipped Luke and Leia in the first two or something, because it takes some major emotional attachment to actually believe that.

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I agree that there’s too much written to completely separate Luke and Leia, but they don’t have to be literally related by blood to be spiritual siblings. To take a page from TROS, they could be a Dyad in the Force, and it could even go back to the Sith’s ‘Rule of Two’.

In the Original Trilogy, the only proof that we have of Luke’s sister is from the ghost of Obi-wan, who has already lied to Luke about his dad and has just told him that his own words are only true from “a certain point of view.” No changes to Obi-wan’s dialogue are really necessary, he could just be lying about the sister thing because it’s easier to explain to Luke why Leia would be suddenly gaining strength in the Force than to try and bring up Force Dyads or the Rule of Two.

At this point the only problem with this is two scenes from the end of ROTJ, and I’m perfectly happy ignoring that to support this headcanon 😉

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it makes me think that you like shipped Luke and Leia in the first two or something

I did not. I can’t bring myself to give a damn about any Star Wars romance beside Ben and Rey.

It doesn’t go nowhere, it’s used by Vader to taunt Luke.

Woohoo, a five second throwaway line that could’ve been replaced with a dozen other things.

My objections to Leia being a Skywalker are as follows:

  • It comes out of nowhere

  • It goes nowhere

  • It feels contrived that the secret sibling is someone Luke already knows

Having Luke’s sister just so happen to be the only other woman he’s spent the three films with is contrived to the point of ruining my immersion. At that point I’m ready for Han to introduce himself as Uncle Skywalker. Say what you will about Rey being a Palpatine (I won’t pretend that isn’t stupid as well) but her grandparent only comes in at the end specifically looking for his granddaughter; he didn’t just bump into her at a bar.

I literally can’t think of any benefit to leaving this familial link in besides Ben having Vader’s bloodline, which is a sacrifice I’m willing to make. Doesn’t take blood to be a fanboy.

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It would be interesting to see a full saga edit that attempts to remove the sibling connection from every film. But, I do agree it would be cleaner to just remove the romance aspects of ANH and ESB. Are there any edits that do that for ANH? I don’t think I’ve ever come across one.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Woohoo, a five second throwaway line that could’ve been replaced with a dozen other things.

Vader wouldn’t be able to turn Leia to the dark side if she wasn’t Force sensitive.

Also throwaway line is genuinely hilarious considering it’s what causes Luke to almost turn to the dark side and kill Vader.

I forgot to mention this before, but it also heightens the stakes. Luke says that if he dies along Vader and the Emperor, Leia can take over as she’s also Force sensitive. If there was nobody else in the cast that could become a Jedi then the audience wouldn’t feel like there’s any risk of Luke dying.

My objections to Leia being a Skywalker are as follows:

  • It comes out of nowhere

“No, there is another.”

Just because the answer to who that was was changed between movies doesn’t mean it wasn’t set up. The specifics of the pay-off just changed.

  • It feels contrived that the secret sibling is someone Luke already knows

I can’t necessarily argue with “feels like” but within the lore it’s been justified three times over the circumstances in which they met. Bail Organa and Obi-Wan know each other, Obi-Wan trusted Bail with Anakin’s daughter, Bail trusted his daughter to find Obi-Wan leading her to Luke.

Having Luke’s sister just so happen to be the only other woman he’s spent the three films with is contrived to the point of ruining my immersion.

So you admit there’s nobody else it could be?

Say what you will about Rey being a Palpatine (I won’t pretend that isn’t stupid as well) but her grandparent only comes in at the end specifically looking for his granddaughter; he didn’t just bump into her at a bar.

The only reason she’s able to find her way to Exegol is because she managed to solve this intricate treasure hunt that Palpatine couldn’t have possibly predicted. He didn’t seek her out at all. He asked Kylo to kill her.

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Also throwaway line is genuinely hilarious considering it’s what causes Luke to almost turn to the dark side and kill Vader.

Things Vader could’ve also provoked Luke with:

  • Insulting Obi-Wan

  • Saying Luke failed Obi-Wan

  • Threatening him with his friends dying

  • Anything else

“No, there is another.”

Fair enough, I didn’t account for that, but that doesn’t invalidate my argument. All this does is set up the idea that there is some other hope. RotJ pulls out of nowhere the fact that:

  • It’s Luke sister

  • Leia is that sister

Nowhere had any of this been alluded to.

Bail Organa and Obi-Wan know each other, Obi-Wan trusted Bail with Anakin’s daughter, Bail trusted his daughter to find Obi-Wan leading her to Luke.

That does nothing to explain how against all odds she just so happens to be captured by her biological father, and just so happens to be promptly rescued by her biological brother, who just so happens to be accompanied by her robot half-brother…okay, that last one’s TPM’s fault, but you get my point. It makes the Galaxy Far Far Away feel like the size of a city.

So you admit there’s nobody else it could be?

I disagree with the premise that there needed to be a sister in the first place. Anakin would’ve made perfect sense as the “other” Yoda refers to. But if we needed a sister, I would’ve rather they introduce a new character by establishing Luke has a sister and having him specifically seek her out. Heck, having the sister mentioned but never appear would retroactively be justified in making for a perfect Sequel Trilogy hook where he sets out to find her.

He didn’t seek her out at all. He asked Kylo to kill her.

Killing her still means tracking her down. The point is he sent someone after her because he full well they were related.

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G&G-Fan said:

alternatively just remove Luke and Leia kissing (both times).

that’s better for me personally. Leia being Luke’s sister is just too iconic and ingrained at this point. Luke and Leia’s conversation in ROTJ is so good and her being used as emotional leverage by Vader also makes it all worth it.

That works for me too.

Come to think of it, I wonder if this was ever an idea Lucas had for any OT re-releases.

Move along, move along.

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I think Vader taunting Luke by threatening to turn Leia evil can work even if they aren’t siblings. Luke still cares for her greatly as a close friend and ally, so that would surely tick him off.

And about Leia having the Force, I guess it depends how we decide one has the Force. It technically exists in all beings, and we see through the prequels that the amount of receptivity or natural attunement one has with it is brought through midichlorians. Of course, if an individual has enough, they become a Jedi. I think it’s entirely possible Leia could have some natural receptivity to the Force even if she weren’t a Skywalker.

Now I don’t necessarily want to start a whole debate here over midichlorians, force sensitivity, Lucas, the prequels, etc. So I won’t go too much further with this, I just think it can go both ways is what I’m saying.

But to preserve the way Lucas wrapped up the saga and the way expanded material has built upon it, its easier to just remove the kisses, yes.

Move along, move along.

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Has anyone considered addressing Palpatine by name in the OT? It would spoil the twist of the PT for first time viewers, assuming they watch the movies in production order as they should, but it would help tie the films together more cohesively in a subtle way.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Has anyone considered addressing Palpatine by name in the OT? It would spoil the twist of the PT for first time viewers, assuming they watch the movies in production order as they should, but it would help tie the films together more cohesively in a subtle way.

It’s not a twist for anyone who’s seen the OT.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Has anyone considered addressing Palpatine by name in the OT? It would spoil the twist of the PT for first time viewers, assuming they watch the movies in production order as they should, but it would help tie the films together more cohesively in a subtle way.

Gotcha covered:

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G&G-Fan said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Has anyone considered addressing Palpatine by name in the OT? It would spoil the twist of the PT for first time viewers, assuming they watch the movies in production order as they should, but it would help tie the films together more cohesively in a subtle way.

It’s not a twist for anyone who’s seen the OT.

It’s perfectly plausible that someone wouldn’t pick up on the fact that Darth Sidious / The Emperor from RotJ is the same person as Senator / Chancellor Palpatine, especially if they’re watching it as children which is the target demographic. I certainly never figured until the reveal when I was 5.

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What annoys me about the sister twist is that there was a thousand ways the “another one” could have been done and they choose one of the most awkward options. All ESB had established was that Luke wasn’t their only hope. It didn’t had to be a sibling or something like that.

One way I think this could be fixed is by just stating that Leia was also force sensitive but no blood connection. It is consistent with ESB (including the scene where she communicates with Luke), the twist mostly remains the same, Vader can still taunt using her and there is no incest.

I believe this change could be done with AI voices, though I’m not sure what the opinion on AI is favorable here and I don’t have the means to do it myself right now.