The Original Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 32

of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

‘Star Wars: De-Incest Edition’

Leia is not Luke’s brother- snip out all the pieces of dialogue that say so.

At the top of my head only includes: Some of the stuff Ghost Obi-Wan tells Luke on Dagobah, some of what Luke says to Leia on Endor, and the baby Leia in Episode III (which I know isn’t OT, but still).

None of this would diminish Leia’s role in any of the films and would remove the incest-y details.

alternatively just remove Luke and Leia kissing (both times).

that’s better for me personally. Leia being Luke’s sister is just too iconic and ingrained at this point. Luke and Leia’s conversation in ROTJ is so good and her being used as emotional leverage by Vader also makes it all worth it.

of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

‘Star Wars: De-Incest Edition’

Leia is not Luke’s brother- snip out all the pieces of dialogue that say so.

At the top of my head only includes: Some of the stuff Ghost Obi-Wan tells Luke on Dagobah, some of what Luke says to Leia on Endor, and the baby Leia in Episode III (which I know isn’t OT, but still).

None of this would diminish Leia’s role in any of the films and would remove the incest-y details.

Wouldn’t it be simpler to just remove the kiss in ESB? This way, there isn’t incest and you don’t need to modify nothing but a single scene.

Luke and Leia have been siblings now for 40 years. Their sibling status is referenced in hundreds of pieces of media, and a major plot point in many. I don’t think anyone’s getting that boulder to the top of the hill - when the far easier path is to trim a handful of scenes in two pieces of media to remove any romantic implication.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Removing the familial relationship is so much better because the having them pull a sister out of a hat yet having it be an established character only for it to go absolutely nowhere not only shrinks the universe but is just generally the single worst piece of writing in the entire Saga and I’m including Rise of Skywalker in that statement. It’s incredibly clumsy and embarrassing and I hate it.

It doesn’t go nowhere, it’s used by Vader to taunt Luke.

Acting like this is worse then The Rise of Skywalker is so insane it makes me think that you like shipped Luke and Leia in the first two or something, because it takes some major emotional attachment to actually believe that.

I agree that there’s too much written to completely separate Luke and Leia, but they don’t have to be literally related by blood to be spiritual siblings. To take a page from TROS, they could be a Dyad in the Force, and it could even go back to the Sith’s ‘Rule of Two’.

In the Original Trilogy, the only proof that we have of Luke’s sister is from the ghost of Obi-wan, who has already lied to Luke about his dad and has just told him that his own words are only true from “a certain point of view.” No changes to Obi-wan’s dialogue are really necessary, he could just be lying about the sister thing because it’s easier to explain to Luke why Leia would be suddenly gaining strength in the Force than to try and bring up Force Dyads or the Rule of Two.

At this point the only problem with this is two scenes from the end of ROTJ, and I’m perfectly happy ignoring that to support this headcanon 😉

Anakin Starkiller said:

Woohoo, a five second throwaway line that could’ve been replaced with a dozen other things.

Vader wouldn’t be able to turn Leia to the dark side if she wasn’t Force sensitive.

Also throwaway line is genuinely hilarious considering it’s what causes Luke to almost turn to the dark side and kill Vader.

I forgot to mention this before, but it also heightens the stakes. Luke says that if he dies along Vader and the Emperor, Leia can take over as she’s also Force sensitive. If there was nobody else in the cast that could become a Jedi then the audience wouldn’t feel like there’s any risk of Luke dying.

My objections to Leia being a Skywalker are as follows:

• It comes out of nowhere

“No, there is another.”

Just because the answer to who that was was changed between movies doesn’t mean it wasn’t set up. The specifics of the pay-off just changed.

• It feels contrived that the secret sibling is someone Luke already knows

I can’t necessarily argue with “feels like” but within the lore it’s been justified three times over the circumstances in which they met. Bail Organa and Obi-Wan know each other, Obi-Wan trusted Bail with Anakin’s daughter, Bail trusted his daughter to find Obi-Wan leading her to Luke.

Having Luke’s sister just so happen to be the only other woman he’s spent the three films with is contrived to the point of ruining my immersion.

So you admit there’s nobody else it could be?

Say what you will about Rey being a Palpatine (I won’t pretend that isn’t stupid as well) but her grandparent only comes in at the end specifically looking for his granddaughter; he didn’t just bump into her at a bar.

The only reason she’s able to find her way to Exegol is because she managed to solve this intricate treasure hunt that Palpatine couldn’t have possibly predicted. He didn’t seek her out at all. He asked Kylo to kill her.

G&G-Fan said:

alternatively just remove Luke and Leia kissing (both times).

that’s better for me personally. Leia being Luke’s sister is just too iconic and ingrained at this point. Luke and Leia’s conversation in ROTJ is so good and her being used as emotional leverage by Vader also makes it all worth it.

That works for me too.

Come to think of it, I wonder if this was ever an idea Lucas had for any OT re-releases.

I think Vader taunting Luke by threatening to turn Leia evil can work even if they aren’t siblings. Luke still cares for her greatly as a close friend and ally, so that would surely tick him off.

And about Leia having the Force, I guess it depends how we decide one has the Force. It technically exists in all beings, and we see through the prequels that the amount of receptivity or natural attunement one has with it is brought through midichlorians. Of course, if an individual has enough, they become a Jedi. I think it’s entirely possible Leia could have some natural receptivity to the Force even if she weren’t a Skywalker.

Now I don’t necessarily want to start a whole debate here over midichlorians, force sensitivity, Lucas, the prequels, etc. So I won’t go too much further with this, I just think it can go both ways is what I’m saying.

But to preserve the way Lucas wrapped up the saga and the way expanded material has built upon it, its easier to just remove the kisses, yes.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Has anyone considered addressing Palpatine by name in the OT? It would spoil the twist of the PT for first time viewers, assuming they watch the movies in production order as they should, but it would help tie the films together more cohesively in a subtle way.

It’s not a twist for anyone who’s seen the OT.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Has anyone considered addressing Palpatine by name in the OT? It would spoil the twist of the PT for first time viewers, assuming they watch the movies in production order as they should, but it would help tie the films together more cohesively in a subtle way.

Gotcha covered:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLXIK3_TXKE

Without doing a full on deepfake, I have been looking for a solid Hayden/Shaw face replacement for Rotj although haven’t really been satisfied. Adding in Hayden’s eyes and some features here and there, however the eyebrows could use some more work.

With eyebrows:

Without:

Original:

It never really dawned to me that Shaw and Hayden actually have more similar facial features with each other than I thought.

Has anyone seen this guy’s stuff? Nothing too groundbreaking, but he has a few vfx edits I’d love to include, both in the PT and OT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IOF0yucIQ