The Original Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 28

RogueLeader said:

An idea I would like to eventually play around with is to reuse the footage of Luke getting his hand shot, but have Boba be the one to shoot his hand instead of some random guard on the sail barge.

Basically, a summary of changes I’ve thought of making:

1. Make the jet pack sound effect sound a little beefier (sort of how they made it sound in Mando 201)
2. Have Boba immediately fire when he lands on the skiff, and the shot whizzes past Luke’s head. (You could potentially have him take a shot or two off while he is flying, but you might not want him to miss too much)
3. Rotoscope a yellow electric energy onto the cable wire Boba shoots around Luke. Although we see this cable wire without this effect in Mando, other media have depicted the wire with the energy, like here in Rebels (at the 1:25 mark), and it could add some nice visual flare to the scene that could make Boba cooler.
4. When the sail barge turret shot that knocks Boba down fires, we don’t really see it, just where it impacts. So maybe we could add a blaster deflection sound effect to imply that Luke managed to deflect it while he was tied up. You could also add a blaster shot that passes by camera when Luke flicks his lightsaber. I think this scene may have been trying to imply this, but it could be made clearer.
5. When Boba lands on the floor of the skiff, add some spark sound/visual effects coming from out of frame, emanating from his now-damaged jet pack.
6. As Boba is starting to aim his shot at Luke, you could add a some more brief sparks to help set up his new vulnerability more.
7. When Han says, “Boba Fett? Boba Fett? Where?” have him say this quicker, then add a Chewbacca growl, as if he is telling Han where he is, then Han swings based off where Chewbacca said he was. Han isn’t saying “Where?” as he is swinging.
8. Boba shot does not miss Luke, but makes contact.
9. Rotoscope Luke’s hand getting shot and his quick reaction shot and put them at this moment. (If there is trouble with making his reaction shot fit, maybe we could just put Luke shouting in pain over the hand insert)
10. Remove Boba’s scream (which many people have already done)
11. After Boba falls in, replace the Sarlaac burping with the sound of muffled blaster shots. It could imply he survives, or he still dies, but it depicts Boba as tough despite the circumstances.

And of course, you would remove his hand getting shot later on since we have placed it sooner.

You could make an argument that you might need to add Luke’s hand injury to any shots where we might see it, but we actually don’t see his injury on his hand after it gets shot even in the theatrical, so I wouldn’t say it is priority.
I would try and make any new blaster shots or any other new effects fit with the 1983 look. Nothing super modern looking.

It is still goofy that he goes in close range when he could’ve taken him out from a distance, but that’s Star Wars for you. If you wanted to rationalize it, you could perhaps give Boba a line or two during this scene. Maybe he could say something like, “He’s worth a lot” (that way you could use both the original and new dubs), implying that Boba might use the chaos to claim the bounty, that certainly must exist on Luke, for himself. This also makes Boba appear more self-serving rather just a Jabba lackey.
If that didn’t work, you could maybe reuse “He’s no good to me dead” or make it “He’s good to me dead” or just “He’s dead”. Boba works better when he says little, but these are just some ideas.

Building off of Boba ideas, I also had the idea of Boba being the one to catch Han and Leia trying to escape, rather than Jabba and literally everyone else in the entire palace hiding behind currents. When Han and Leia turn around to leave, you could reuse a shot of Boba standing in the palace, and point his gun at them, then cut back and show him raising his gun back up, knowing that he has them where he wants them. You would lose a minute of footage from this change though, and any runtime worth keeping may be crucial to keep one’s edit from being too short.

I may try to make Boba’s “death scene” my next project, whenever I have the time. Even though ROTJ is sort of the black sheep of the Original Trilogy, I still feel like there isn’t a definitive edit for this film that does a better job at putting it as close as possible to Star Wars and Empire in terms of quality.

Nothing valuable to add here other than approval. I especially like the idea of muted blaster shots once he’s in.

That sounds uncharacteristically gory.

Yeah, honestly at this point Star Wars is leaning towards “dead until proven alive” or in other words “if there’s no corpse, assume nothing” meaning Snoke and Dooku are really the only truly dead Force users in the movies. It’s starting to turn into Marvel/DC levels of silliness.

There is no death, there is the Force.

I can see why they didn’t do it, a bit too violent for a Jedi

Possessed did a pretty good job editing the movie as it is to make it look like Luke is the one that pushes Boba into the Sarlacc

G&G-Fan said:

Possessed did a pretty good job editing the movie as it is to make it look like Luke is the one that pushes Boba into the Sarlacc

This is a bit off-topic, but do you have the links to Possessed’s OT edits? I’ve been trying to get the links to them, but they’re only on fanedit.org, and that site hasn’t worked for me for a long time.

StarkillerAG said:

G&G-Fan said:

Possessed did a pretty good job editing the movie as it is to make it look like Luke is the one that pushes Boba into the Sarlacc

This is a bit off-topic, but do you have the links to Possessed’s OT edits? I’ve been trying to get the links to them, but they’re only on fanedit.org, and that site hasn’t worked for me for a long time.

There’s a thread for requesting edits. In fact, didn’t you start it?

Anakin Starkiller said:

StarkillerAG said:

G&G-Fan said:

Possessed did a pretty good job editing the movie as it is to make it look like Luke is the one that pushes Boba into the Sarlacc

This is a bit off-topic, but do you have the links to Possessed’s OT edits? I’ve been trying to get the links to them, but they’re only on fanedit.org, and that site hasn’t worked for me for a long time.

There’s a thread for requesting edits. In fact, didn’t you start it?

There is, but I already asked for it there and no one responded. But it doesn’t matter, since the guy I was asking did indeed have the links (for ESB and ROTJ at least).

(Sorry if this has been brought up before on here - my thread searching fu is weak…)

This is probably less a radical change instead of just a noticeable one, but you could change the Death Star cannon color from green to red.

I can see why they wanted it to be a different color than the blasters to stand out more, but if you want to acknowledge the idea the Death Stars are powered by kyber crystals, then it’s not too much of a stretch to think of them as moon-sized Sith Lightsabers of Damoclese and therefore be red instead of green.

You might even be able to use that as another reason for Palpatine to be on the DS2; he’s the only Force user powerful enough to convert/bleed that large of an amount of kyber crystal to work for the laser.

And that might be more of a justification for Palpatine to keep building these things after they get blown up. Like Dr. Evil - “I want a friggin’ moon with a friggin’ lightsaber to strike down my enemies!”

At that point you might as well make all the Empire’s ship blaster bolts red too, and the Rebels’ blaster bolts blue.

I could not make it through the Jabba stuff without dozing off. It did make me think that Act 1’s pacing could potentially benefit from intercutting between Vader/Emperor, Luke on Dagobah, and Leia’s failed rescue attempt.

This 100%. I think it might be worth skipping Leia, Chewie, and the droids entirely and starting with Luke’s arrival.

We would still need to establish that Leia has unfrozen Han, I think.

How about this:

-Crawl establishes that Luke is completing his Jedi training in isolation, leaving Leia and her allies to attempt Han’s rescue alone.
-Vader goes to the Death Star.
-Establishing shot of Jabba’s palace at sundown.
-Leia wanders through sleeping fortress, unfreezes Han.
-Sinister laughter from Jabba. “I know that laugh.” Cut to black.
-Indeterminate shots of Dagobah, darkness of the cave in the swamp. Voiceover from ESB. “Friends you have there.” “They were in pain.” “Decide you must, how to serve them best. If you leave now, help them you could…but you would destroy all for which they have fought and suffered.” Reveal Luke in a cave working on a lightsaber. He does not activate it.
-R2 emerges from crevice on Tatooine. “We’re leaving? But what about master Luke? I thought he was going to rescue captain Solo…You mean we’re going to that horrible fortress…alone?” Cut to the theatrical version “Of course I’m worried, and you should be too. Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never returned from this awful place.”

From there we can have the droids delivering Luke’s message, just cutting the discussion about Han still in Carbonite. We have the droid torture scene, the baroque recital, the Rancor tease, then Luke appears.

The biggest trick with this would be to have the voiceover and Dagobah imagery without it feeling fanedity, but it’s simple enough and includes bits of an actual ROTJ deleted scene so it shouldn’t be too bad. This version also makes more sense of the dialogue that Chewie has already been captured, so we don’t need the extended scene of Leia dragging him in there or the reveal of Lando among the guards. Seeing that Luke is working on the saber implies that he needs more time to finish his weapon, sending the droids in first. Later when we see that R2 had the saber the implication can turn to one of Luke wishing to avoid a full confrontation until absolutely necessary, a necessary step on his Jedi path.

JEDIT: Alternately, one could put Leia’s failed rescue first, following it with the Vader arrival at the Death Star and then the shot of Luke in the cave before moving to the droids. You would just need another pan-down to Tatooine, and it may feel strange not to have a Star Destroyer opening like is a tradition from the first two films.

I might be mistaken but wouldn’t that suggest that there are two sabers?

We see Luke working on one and cut to R2 and 3PO not waiting for him, so there is no time for Luke to give the saber to R2.
Maybe you could move Vaders arrival at the Death Star or Leia’s failed rescue attempt between the two scenes of Luke working on his saber and the droids walking up to Jabba’s palace.