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Servii said:

And Star Wars is just fascinating to me, both because it’s a great potential fantasy setting and because it’s a case study in franchise mismanagement. (I’m not just talking about post-2012 Star Wars. The problems started in 1997.)

Yeah. The first visual hint of the catastrophe to come happened in 1997 when a CGI droid on the outskirts of Mos Eisley punched another smaller droid. Although some would argue it started in 1983 after Leia got lost in the woods.

The beginning of the Force Awakens seemed promising. After 3 movies of maximum Lucas quirkiness, watching Finn and Poe escape a Star Destroyer while exchanging rapid quips with decent chemistry seemed like a really good sign. But then Star Wars started to suck in exciting new ways!

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George Lucas gave us Vader’s laughably pathetic “Nooooooo!”. Disney took that and made it badass.

Ya’ll saying Disney ruined Star Wars, idk what you’re smoking.

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G&G-Fan said:

George Lucas gave us Vader’s laughably pathetic “Nooooooo!”. Disney took that and made it badass.

Ya’ll saying Disney ruined Star Wars, idk what you’re smoking.

I’m pretty burnt out on “badass angsty slasher” Vader, and I think a lot of fans have this borderline hero worship of the character that goes too far. A lot of people want an R-rated slasher that’s just about Vader hunting Jedi, for example, but that goes against the spirit of Star Wars.

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Servii said:

G&G-Fan said:

George Lucas gave us Vader’s laughably pathetic “Nooooooo!”. Disney took that and made it badass.

Ya’ll saying Disney ruined Star Wars, idk what you’re smoking.

I’m pretty burnt out on “badass angsty slasher” Vader, and I think a lot of fans have this borderline hero worship of the character that goes too far. A lot of people want an R-rated slasher that’s just about Vader hunting Jedi, for example, but that goes against the spirit of Star Wars.

I would like a series where Vader hides in the woods at a summer camp and violently murders teenage counselors in increasingly elaborate ways.

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G&G-Fan said:

George Lucas gave us Vader’s laughably pathetic “Nooooooo!”. Disney took that and made it badass.

Ya’ll saying Disney ruined Star Wars, idk what you’re smoking.

“They burned your house down, but washed you’re car, so idk what you’re smoking”

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Servii said:

I’m pretty burnt out on “badass angsty slasher” Vader, and I think a lot of fans have this borderline hero worship of the character that goes too far. A lot of people want an R-rated slasher that’s just about Vader hunting Jedi, for example, but that goes against the spirit of Star Wars.

2017 comic Vader is a lot more complex then that. They did great making a more angry younger version of Vader while still having him feel like himself, unlike most of the prequels. And 2015 comic Vader is straight up OT Vader.

Not saying I want that movie, but isn’t the whole appeal of spin-offs that they can almost be their own thing and not have to adhere to the style and feel of the saga films?

Disney’s given us more then just cooler Vader. Season 1 & 2 of Mando were amazing. Din Djarin is a great character and I still love Grogu. Moff Gideon was a great villain and season 3 finally did what I thought wasn’t possible and made me like Bo-Katan.

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Fan_edit_fan said:

“They burned your house down, but washed you’re car, so idk what you’re smoking”

Nah but Vader is the house to me. The sequels are the car as far as I’m concerned.

Then you get stuff like Mando, Rogue One, Andor, and even TFA and it’s like getting extra renovations with a pool and theater.

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G&G-Fan said:

Not saying I want that movie, but isn’t the whole appeal of spin-offs that they can almost be their own thing and not have to adhere to the style and feel of the saga films?

Sure they can, but within limits. And I think Star Wars should try to steer clear of glorifying him. I didn’t mind the Rogue One hallway scene, but I think a lot of fans took away the wrong idea from that scene.

Disney’s given us more then just cooler Vader. Season 1 & 2 of Mando were amazing. Din Djarin is a great character and I still love Grogu. Moff Gideon was a great villain and season 3 finally did what I thought wasn’t possible and made me like Bo-Katan.

Eh, Seasons 1 and 2 were pretty good, but I wouldn’t say amazing. I like Din’s relationship with Grogu, but he’s a pretty bland character when it comes down to it, and Moff Gideon started out alright but devolved into a cartoon villain by the end. I never saw TCW, so I never saw the extent of Bo-Katan’s crimes, but I didn’t really care about her or about Mandalore, to be honest.

Disney Star Wars gave us Andor, though and I’ll always be glad about that. The rest of it, I could take or leave.

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Servii said:

Sure they can, but within limits. And I think Star Wars should try to steer clear of glorifying him. I didn’t mind the Rogue One hallway scene, but I think a lot of fans took away the wrong idea from that scene.

Every villain’s actions are “glorified”. They should feel badass otherwise they’d have no screen presence. People still understand that they’re evil.

No to an entire movie of Vader hunting Jedi (tho I want at least one Vader v. Jedi duel in which he wins, ANH told us he’s a Jedi hunter and we never saw that). Something more like a “haunted house” movie with him as the villain from a Rebel squadron or Jedi’s POV, or exploring his inner psyche like the comics do would be better. But still not necessary.

Eh, Seasons 1 and 2 were pretty good, but I wouldn’t say amazing. I like Din’s relationship with Grogu, but he’s a pretty bland character when it comes down to it, and Moff Gideon started out alright but devolved into a cartoon villain by the end. I never saw TCW, so I never saw the extent of Bo-Katan’s crimes, but I didn’t really care about her or about Mandalore, to be honest.

I don’t think Djarin’s bland. He’s introverted and reserved but that doesn’t make him bland. He has this awkward charm to him that I really like.

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I would agree the PT has too much of Lucas’ quirckiness, but I would argue much of what Disney has put out has much too few. That combined with mediocre writing has made much of it bland and uninspired. You take a series like Andor, which has some of the best writing in Star Wars ever and combine that with some of Lucas’ quirckiness and imagination and you have another TESB.

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StarkillerAG said:

Basically, as someone else on here (I don’t remember who) once said, “Star Wars is a buffet. Enjoy the stuff you like, and leave the rest.” […]

SilverWook said that 😉

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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So I decided to end my Star Wars “hiatus” and binged thru the rest of bad batch season 2 and all of Mando season 3 this weekend. Both were good, but not perfect.

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Tobar said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Exactly. Hell, TCW did a fine job trampling all over some very good Legends material. I miss Karen Traviss’ Mandalorians. One-dimensional, but still fun.

Karen Traviss was horrible to the fans and did more than her share of trampling on previously established lore. So when she had her meltdown it was one of the best instances of schadenfreude I’ve ever experienced. Still brings a smile to my face.

I had a multi-month back and forth email chain with Traviss when I was a kid about her Star Wars novels. Reading through the Republic Commando series while talking to her about it and having her explain things to me personally absolutely cemented my love of reading for the rest of my life. I don’t even know what happened with what you’re talking about, but she showed me nothing but kindness and genuine interest, and I am forever shaped by what she did.

(The Mandalorian+BoBF) The Way of Mandalore | A Legends Movie Saga

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Wow, no kidding? Care to share more about that? That’s a pretty interesting story!

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You know, the way they resolved the whole mystery cloning experiment thing felt so inconsequential, it barely even registered to me that they were also resolving the entire Grogu DNA/science experiment plot line going back to Season 1. It came off like “Oh crap, there’s an army of force-wielding Moff Gideon clones and… oh wait, nevermind”.

The writers clearly implied there was something more going on earlier, because when we see those clones in the tubes in earlier episodes, they looked very deformed, obviously hinting at some proto-Snoke thing going on. I’m pretty sure the writers really had no idea where they where going with this. But if they couldn’t think of anything more interesting than just “more Moff Gideons, but with midichlorians now”, they could have at least tried to come up with something interesting to do with it, rather then just unceremoniously killing all the clones in 5 seconds.

Here’s an idea: how about an “Indiana Jones” style ending, where the villain’s own attempt to achieve power ends up backfiring in some humbling or moralistic way. Let’s say Gideon unleashes his army of Force-wielding clones, but soon learns it is unwise to mess around with the Force like that, as the clones immediately become insane and kill Gideon, and then kill each other. That would at least feel like a somewhat interesting outcome to all this, rather than yet another “generic fight sequence with final boss”. It’s kind of like when the bad guy in Indiana Jones finds [mystical artifact] but is deluded by a lust for power and so misunderstands its nature, and thus ends up melting/exploding/disintegrating/etc.

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If you look closely at the playthrough, Mando clearly used a code exploit for the ‘Gideon’s Secret Base’ level with his frame perfect glitch through the final shield grid, allowing him to access the final boss area without triggering the Gideon Clone activation script. The fact that there was animation and dialogue for this scenario shows that it must have been planned for by the developers at some point, even if it is hilariously stupid and anticlimactic.

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Kinda surprised the season finale got such mixed reception tbh. I thought they did a good job taking classic Star Wars movie tropes and remixing them in a fresh way.

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It did the bare minimum, it was OK. I think everyone was expecting more twists and more elements from earlier in the story. It felt like things had been cut and the running time was certainly short. It felt rushed. Like what happened to the silly plate armour Grogu was wearing? Or the dinosaurs they captured? Amongst others.

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what a bad season i need to vent after the kenobi show sw is kind dead to me i did not watch tales of the jedi or andor but i watched this because i think that season 1 and 2 was good but season 3 is bad i kinda looking for ashoka it look good but i cannot know if desapoint me will i still be a sw fan damn

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Skybatman said:

what a bad season i need to vent after the kenobi show sw is kind dead to me i did not watch tales of the jedi or andor but i watched this because i think that season 1 and 2 was good but season 3 is bad i kinda looking for ashoka it look good but i cannot know if desapoint me will i still be a sw fan damn

I’m sure I won’t be the first to say it, but Andor and Visions very enjoyable series for fans looking for something a little different to “The Madoverse” + Kenobi. Very different to this, in a good way.

 
 

2 light-ribbing “pitch meeting” videos:
 

The Mandalorian Season 3 Pitch Meeting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtDj7WLjDY - a 7 minute video at the Pitch Meeting YouTube channel

 

The Mandalorian Pitch Meeting (season 1 and 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cQeT-vLiwE - a 9 minute video at the Pitch Meeting YouTube channel

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Juno Eclipse said:

I’m sure I won’t be the first to say it, but Andor and Visions very enjoyable series for fans looking for something a little different to “The Madoverse” + Kenobi. Very different to this, in a good way.

i dont know i dont have patience with sw anymore like i dont want to try watch the show and dislike if i liked sw a litle more maybe but right now its a big fuck no

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I know I say this too much, but if you’re really that done with Star Wars… why are you still here? It’s pointless to come into these threads every week just to complain about how Star Wars is dead to you, and Disney are a bunch of hacks, and you just don’t care anymore. If you really don’t care, just move on. Find something you actually like.

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StarkillerAG said:

I know I say this too much, but if you’re really that done with Star Wars… why are you still here? It’s pointless to come into these threads every week just to complain about how Star Wars is dead to you, and Disney are a bunch of hacks, and you just don’t care anymore. If you really don’t care, just move on. Find something you actually like.

i see your point haha and one time i left this site and i like some people here i said one time here that im gona watch ashoka, sw still has my interest even this interest is getting lower

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I’m still here, and on the StarWarsTrilogy forums, because I like to keep up-to-date on the progress of fan preservations. And because I like the community here, frankly. It’s one of the only Star Wars fan communities where you can be more skeptical and critical about Star Wars stuff. There’s something to be said for that.