The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 183

NeverarGreat said:

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the fat guy redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil.

Except that Luke was indeed a magical Jedi, and has only recently cut himself off from the Force. When he returns, it’s not at all like Santa being in a parade - he’s doing Force magic that is so difficult that the effort ultimately kills him.

Now I imagine Tim Allen finding Luke’s robot hand on the island with a card instructing him on being the new Last Jedi.

There are different levels of fiction in the Star Wars universe. The legend of the heroic Luke Skywalker who fought the Empire, redeemed his father, and then went on to become a wise Jedi Master is one of those levels of fiction. The legend of the wise Jedi of old, who were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic is another. Both of these legends are deflated and deconstructed by TLJ.

Rey in TFA is like the viewer. She believes in the legend of Luke Skywalker and the wisdom and power of the Jedi. She believes in the myth, that a true Jedi would never give up, even when facing the most terrible odds. However, like many of us viewers she doesn’t find the legendary last Jedi on Ach-To, but a fat old drunk, who now hates Christmas. Rey, a character supposedly part of a modern myth, learns that myths and legends aren’t real.

DrDre said:

However, like many of us viewers she doesn’t find the legendary last Jedi on Ach-To, but a fat old drunk, who now hates Christmas.

Hyperbole lives on!

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

dahmage said:

DrDre said:

However, like many of us viewers she doesn’t find the legendary last Jedi on Ach-To, but a fat old drunk, who now hates Christmas.

Hyperbole lives on!

Luke shut himself off from the Force, and wants to die on a forsaken island. It doesn’t seem that much of a hyperbole to me. At least my drunk still wants to live, if only for the bottle.

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Once you take off the beard and the suit, it becomes very hard to sell the reality of Santa Clause.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

No, Santa decided Ben was naughty before Ben did anything bad, because Santa thought he could see the future. Santa then instinctively refused to give Ben his present, causing Ben to stop believing in Santa Clause, and to devote himself to the Grinch.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

No, Santa reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas to the children in the story. However, us critics have already seen Santa without his beard and suit, so we won’t be fooled again.

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Once you take off the beard and the suit, it becomes very hard to sell the reality of Santa Clause.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

No, Santa reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas to the children in the story. However, us critics have already seen Santa without his beard and suit, so we won’t be fooled again.

The legend is perfectly intact. Your delusion of perfection is gone. That is the lesson Luke had to learn too.

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Once you take off the beard and the suit, it becomes very hard to sell the reality of Santa Clause.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

No, Santa reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas to the children in the story. However, us critics have already seen Santa without his beard and suit, so we won’t be fooled again.

The legend is perfectly intact. Your delusion of perfection is gone. That is the lesson Luke had to learn too.

Becoming a Jedi is a metaphore for reaching a state of enlightenment, an ideal. When Luke says I’m a Jedi, like my father before me, he has grown beyond himself, and beyond his father. That was Luke’s arc. The ST then destroys that arc, by having Luke forsake everything he once believed in, including the sister and friends he once would have protected at an cost. TLJ then has him pass on the baton to the next new hope, who again has to fight another Empire, and another fallen Jedi student with the aid of another group of rebels. In effect the ST has Luke take off his beard and red suit, then has him pass it on to Rey, and then expects us to believe Rey’s the real Santa Clause.

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Once you take off the beard and the suit, it becomes very hard to sell the reality of Santa Clause.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

No, Santa reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas to the children in the story. However, us critics have already seen Santa without his beard and suit, so we won’t be fooled again.

The legend is perfectly intact. Your delusion of perfection is gone. That is the lesson Luke had to learn too.

Becoming a Jedi is a metaphore for reaching a state of enlightenment, an ideal. When Luke says I’m a Jedi, like my father before me, he has grown beyond himself, and beyond his father. That was Luke’s arc. The ST then destroys that arc, by having Luke forsake everything he once believed in, only to pass on the baton to the next new hope, who again has to fight another Empire, and another fallen Jedi student. In effect the ST has Luke take off his beard and red suit, and then pass it on to Rey, and then expects us to believe Rey’s the real Santa Clause.

Just because he lost his way for a while doesn’t invalidate everything he did before or after.

chyron8472 said:

Luke Skywalker is not Santa Claus.

He doesn’t have to be the larger-than-life legend that we’d made him out to be, and it would make sense that he still fights some element of the same personal struggles he had when he was younger.

Luke doesn’t just fight some element of the same personal struggles he had when he was younger. He has forsaken everyone and everything he once held dear, and for what? To have us go through Empire versus rebels again with Luke 2.0, who’s now going to really give us the final final victory.

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Once you take off the beard and the suit, it becomes very hard to sell the reality of Santa Clause.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

No, Santa reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas to the children in the story. However, us critics have already seen Santa without his beard and suit, so we won’t be fooled again.

The legend is perfectly intact. Your delusion of perfection is gone. That is the lesson Luke had to learn too.

Becoming a Jedi is a metaphore for reaching a state of enlightenment, an ideal. When Luke says I’m a Jedi, like my father before me, he has grown beyond himself, and beyond his father. That was Luke’s arc. The ST then destroys that arc, by having Luke forsake everything he once believed in, only to pass on the baton to the next new hope, who again has to fight another Empire, and another fallen Jedi student. In effect the ST has Luke take off his beard and red suit, and then pass it on to Rey, and then expects us to believe Rey’s the real Santa Clause.

Just because he lost his way for a while doesn’t invalidate everything he did before or after.

It does, if the after is mostly a reprise of what came before. The legend of Luke was deconstructed, such that we can have the legend of Rey, who we now should believe will properly end the nine part saga. Why should we believe in the finality of this victory, or the legend of Rey for that matter? The circumstances of the ST are too similar to the OT for me to believe the outcome will be any less fleeting than the OT’s victory has turned out to be.

DrDre said:

dahmage said:

DrDre said:

However, like many of us viewers she doesn’t find the legendary last Jedi on Ach-To, but a fat old drunk, who now hates Christmas.

Hyperbole lives on!

Luke shut himself off from the Force, and wants to die on a forsaken island. It doesn’t seem that much of a hyperbole to me. At least my drunk still wants to live, if only for the bottle.

Well of course it doesn’t seem like hyperbole to you, you’re living in a prison of your own making. 😛

TV’s Frink said:

DrDre said:

dahmage said:

DrDre said:

However, like many of us viewers she doesn’t find the legendary last Jedi on Ach-To, but a fat old drunk, who now hates Christmas.

Hyperbole lives on!

Luke shut himself off from the Force, and wants to die on a forsaken island. It doesn’t seem that much of a hyperbole to me. At least my drunk still wants to live, if only for the bottle.

Well of course it doesn’t seem like hyperbole to you, you’re living in a prison of your own making. 😛

How do you know you’re on the right side of the prison bars? 😉

DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

DrDre said:

dahmage said:

DrDre said:

However, like many of us viewers she doesn’t find the legendary last Jedi on Ach-To, but a fat old drunk, who now hates Christmas.

Hyperbole lives on!

Luke shut himself off from the Force, and wants to die on a forsaken island. It doesn’t seem that much of a hyperbole to me. At least my drunk still wants to live, if only for the bottle.

Well of course it doesn’t seem like hyperbole to you, you’re living in a prison of your own making. 😛

How do you know you’re on the right side of the prison bars? 😉

I mean honestly, there isn’t a right side of the bars. We both have our interpretations, and technically we’re both in prisons of our own making. However, mine’s a much happier place.

Also I find the comparison of Luke to an old drunk Santa Clause ridiculous, but you already knew that.

Also you don’t have to call him a “fat Santa Claus” since that’s redundant.

Also a third thing I’ve just forgotten.

TV’s Frink said:

Also I find the comparison of Luke to an old drunk Santa Clause ridiculous, but you already knew that.

Also you don’t have to call him a “fat Santa Claus” since that’s redundant.

Sorry to bring you the news, but Santa’s fat belly is just a myth. In reality it’s just padding, because if Santa was really so obese, high blood pressure would have gotten the better of him decades ago. 😉

PS. Reindeer’s noses can’t really glow in the dark. That too is a myth.

Damn! I should be writing Star Wars movies, this is fun!

TV’s Frink said:

DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

DrDre said:

dahmage said:

DrDre said:

However, like many of us viewers she doesn’t find the legendary last Jedi on Ach-To, but a fat old drunk, who now hates Christmas.

Hyperbole lives on!

Luke shut himself off from the Force, and wants to die on a forsaken island. It doesn’t seem that much of a hyperbole to me. At least my drunk still wants to live, if only for the bottle.

Well of course it doesn’t seem like hyperbole to you, you’re living in a prison of your own making. 😛

How do you know you’re on the right side of the prison bars? 😉

I mean honestly, there isn’t a right side of the bars. We both have our interpretations, and technically we’re both in prisons of our own making. However, mine’s a much happier place.

I found a drawing I made at the time I saw Care Bears II in 1986. Trust me, I’m in a very happy place right now.

You guys are acting as if Dre considered Luke to be some sort of legend in the OT. I share his opinion on several aspects regarding TLJ, and even though I can’t speak for him, I believe you guys are wrong.

Luke in the OT is not a legend, but a hero that you can clearly see that is as flawed as we regular people are, but he still managed to achieve greatness. Not by overthrowing the empire, not by literally being a hero to the rest of the galaxy, but by being a loving son and redeeming his father. He was Vader’s hero, not the alliance or the republic. The hero of his father and of the Jedi.

In A New Hope yes, he’s the big hero, he saved everyone, destroyed the big Death Star, he was the hero of the Rebels. But in the other two movies his victories (or defeats in the case of ESB (and even RotJ)) are so much smaller and yet so much bigger than the one in ANH.

Luke is far from perfect in the OT. Far from legend. At least that’s what I had always thought.

I’m not entirely sure about the comparison to drunk Santa Claus, but comparing it to a dad you admired a lot (and already knew he was flawed and that’s why you admired him) until you find out he’s a drunk farce who basically says he didn’t learn anything from the past because who cares if the future is always in motion or if he redeemed Vader, he’ll just ignite his laser sword to his own blood because he’s insane now because plot.

Collipso said:

I’m not entirely sure about the comparison to drunk Santa Claus, but comparing it to a dad you admired a lot (and already knew he was flawed and that’s why you admired him) until you find out he’s a drunk farce who basically says he didn’t learn anything from the past because who cares if the future is always in motion or if he redeemed Vader, he’ll just ignite his laser sword to his own blood because he’s insane now because plot.

oh good, more hyperbole.

I point this out, because i don’t know how to respond to it. I understand why people use hyperbole, it is usually because of pent up frustration. But if i respond to it, it will just turn the thread into a pissing contest. I usually spend quite a bit of time when i do post in this thread (anymore), to try to edit my post several times to remove the hyperbole. but i am sure i miss alot, i am only human after all.

dahmage said:

Collipso said:

I’m not entirely sure about the comparison to drunk Santa Claus, but comparing it to a dad you admired a lot (and already knew he was flawed and that’s why you admired him) until you find out he’s a drunk farce who basically says he didn’t learn anything from the past because who cares if the future is always in motion or if he redeemed Vader, he’ll just ignite his laser sword to his own blood because he’s insane now because plot.

oh good, more hyperbole.

I point this out, because i don’t know how to respond to it. I understand why people use hyperbole, it is usually because of pent up frustration. But if i respond to it, it will just turn the thread into a pissing contest. I usually spend quite a bit of time when i do post in this thread (anymore), to try to edit my post several times to remove the hyperbole. but i am sure i miss alot, i am only human after all.

Well yeah, it was a hyperbole. But I went “eh?” So that’s enough for me to at the very least question it.

dahmage said:

but i am sure i miss alot

Yes you do!

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

but i am sure i miss alot

Yes you do!

thanks a lot