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Hal 9000 said:

Ditto, Anchorhead. You’re an interesting case.

I enjoyed the first two episodes, though without feeling “excited” per se at any point. If the series is going to excel it’s gotta earn it.

It’s always great to see Ewan. As with most of SW TV, it often feels like a theme park attraction. The inquisitors were kinda real dumb, and it seems like it would’ve been more effective so far to just have one of them involved. Just a flu kid trying to curry favor with Vader. It was great seeing Owen, and I sure hope they give Beru some dialogue at some point.

Seems like Ben juuuust comes in on this side of owning a droid.
“I’ve never owned an entire droid before, Luke. Only parts of astromech heads.”

I’m pretty sure that when Obi-wan said he never owned a droid, he was referring to the fact that he views them as persons and thus ‘owning’ them is tantamount to slavery.

He pays that astromech antenna.

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I really liked the episodes. My biggest gripe is the Grand Inquisitor’s ‘death’ scene. I’m sure he’ll be in a bacta tank getting resurrected by the next episode (or maybe paying a visit to the Tatooine mod parlour to get a new stomach), but they really make it look like he’s dead. There’s even a shot of his motionless corpse on the ground. I loved the moment where Obi-wan finds out Vader is alive, but suddenly I was just taken out of the scene, confused and worried that Rebels just got retconned.

(Also, this is a spoiler thread right? It’s gonna be annoying having to spoiler tag every message posted in here if not)

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jedi_bendu said:

(Also, this is a spoiler thread right? It’s gonna be annoying having to spoiler tag every message posted in here if not)

It hasn’t been officially declared as one but anyone coming into a thread about a show that’s now begun airing shouldn’t be surprised to see spoilers. So unless the thread author says otherwise I think untagged spoilers should be fine in this thread. Unless someone wants to make a dedicated spoiler discussion thread. Just remember to keep spoilers out of the rest of the forum.

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For a show called Kenobi it doesn’t actually feature him all that much

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I will do my best to wait for the whole thing to play out, but I have a feeling my worries prior to this will play out as expected … I’ve DEFINITELY made sure to lower my expectations afters BOBF … and it helps.

Ewan is good, little Leia is alright … she seems like such a small 10 year old, even my wife agreed she seemed so young! Hahah! But her character is fine for me. (Though the wood chase scene was pretty bad.). As a “sheltered” kid her untamed personality does make a bit of sense. And with this idea of “sheltered” kids, it does help make sense why Luke has no idea what a Jedi is as he grew up … since Owen literally freaked out he didn’t see Luke for like 5 seconds. That was a good call.

I am not a fan of all the inquisitors … I think its a mix of their look, acting and … direction? They seem kinda pointless and not what they are. Especially with Reva right now … I’ll wait till it plays out … but knowing the leaks I won’t be too keen on this. As for her knowing who Vader is, at first I was irritated, but my guess is we’ll see a flashback of Youngling Reva who probably saw a mix of Anakin, Obi Wan and Bail Organa to put these pieces together and why literally no one else is figuring things out. That will certainly help instead of it just being “Cuz she did” and “reasons.”

Grand Inquisitor is fine, the species have 2 stomachs so he’ll probably just be AFK for an episode, or whole, and it’s Vader turn to come out now.

It’s really, really important at the end Leia does not know that “Ben” is Obi Wan and that Luke does not interact with Obi OR see any lightsabers … time will tell… I Just don’t want Disney/Lucasfilm to keep disregarding Canon for “reasons”.

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I watched it mostly out of curiosity. I have to say, it was better than I expected. That said, I didn’t expect much at all. As Bear said above - and I mentioned the very same thing to a friend of mine a few days ago - I lowered my expectations after Fett and the second season of Mando.

Disney’s TV shows are really starting to get a brightly-lit and clean TV show look to them. I liked the opening scene of Ben working in the meat processing facility the best of the first episode. Ewan really looks good as a more aged person now. It fits.

The second episode looked and felt like it was a movie set. Fine I guess, because it is. I enjoyed the last half with Ben and Leia the best. They work well together. I was for sure concerned when I saw they were going with yet another cute kid. That’s not a strength of Lucasfilm, past or present. She works well though and I have no problem at all believing that kid would grow up to be 1977 Leia. She even favors her a bit. I thought the scene with little Luke pretending to fly a ship looked ridiculous. That could easily be a Lucas-created moment with yet another cute little kid. Again, not their strong suit.

To me, the biggest weakness is Reva by far. She’s wooden, one-dimensional, and completely predictable. I’ll watch both again this evening and see if it feels a bit more interesting.

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I have to say, having low expectations has made me enjoy this show a lot more. I was pleasantly surprised by the execution of the story and the way Leia was included (it was probably the only good way to get Obi-Wan off Tatooine, though I would rather he didn’t leave Tatooine at all). I do think all the scenes with Leia running away are super cheesy and I’m not a fan of the inquisitors, but I was quite happy to see Leia and Alderaan and I thought they nailed her character. I sympathize, but disagree with a lot of Adywan’s complaints. The show certainly has room for improvement, but if the show maintains the current quality, I’ll be happy.

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After the sequels finished, I started to get pretty annoyed with Lucasfilm and their direction… now with the Disney+ shows, it feels like a bunch of friends playing with their action figures and making something fun.

My expectation is some fun moments, cool visuals/action scenes and an alright-good story. Disney has proved they are NEVER going to reach the storytelling heights of the OT, and I’m glad to see them just trying to tell some new stories.

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Why are some concerned with Leia knowing Ben is Obi-Wan. She is relaying a message from her father in the R2 recording, doesn’t mean she doesn’t know him. I actually think that it fills in a plot hole. When Luke rescues Leia, he says he’s here with “Ben” Kenobi. Leia is pretty exited at the name drop and doesn’t miss a beat. I always wondered how she would know Obi-wan as Ben. I suppose her father could have told her, but this works better.

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I am enjoying it, the one continuity issue that I have is that OWK doesn’t know that Anakin is still alive?
In Revenge of the Sith he literally watches a security video where Anakin is with Palpatine and Palpy refers to him as Vader, so if even once in the last ten years OWK has heard of the Emperor’s enforcer “Vader” he would have to know that Anakin is still alive. One could argue that he lives in a cave on Tatooine, doesn’t get out much, he’s clearly a cord cutter so he isn’t watching the Intergalactic News Network, but he knows who the Inquisitors are…it just seems a BIG stretch that Anakin Vader being alive is news to him.

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regularjoe said:

I am enjoying it, the one continuity issue that I have is that OWK doesn’t know that Anakin is still alive?
In Revenge of the Sith he literally watches a security video where Anakin is with Palpatine and Palpy refers to him as Vader, so if even once in the last ten years OWK has heard of the Emperor’s enforcer “Vader” he would have to know that Anakin is still alive. One could argue that he lives in a cave on Tatooine, doesn’t get out much, he’s clearly a cord cutter so he isn’t watching the Intergalactic News Network, but he knows who the Inquisitors are…it just seems a BIG stretch that Anakin Vader being alive is news to him.

Maybe this IS the first time hearing it. He found out 10 years before A New Hope.

Maybe Vader hasn’t been showing his face much, only until Kenobi shows his face is he interested in putting on that dreadful suit that’s very painful for him. He wants revenge, so he’s going to suit up.

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When Vader shows up in Rebels, none of the characters have seen or heard of him before. It seems he’s very much been hidden from the public eye.

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I’m enjoying it a lot. Found the first episode to be a lot better than the second one, but I remain hooked to the story. At least for the time being, it looks it’s going to tie the prequel and original trilogies more organically than I expected, but we’ll have to wait and see.

Pros

  • Ewan’s doing great as Obi-Wan, no doubt helped by the better character direction and dialogues he is provided with. I really like how he feels at midpoint between his ROTS portrayal and some aspects of Alec Guinness’s beloved turn.
  • The young actress playing Leia does a phenomenal job. I had no trouble believing she’ll grow up to become a rebellious Carrie Fisher. She also embodies the similar traits of Padmé really well.
  • I’m really onboard with the premise of pairing Obi-Wan and Leia. It makes Obi-Wan’s reaction to her plea in A New Hope more meaningful in hindsight. Also fixes the inconsistency on how would Leia know his ‘Ben’ nickname.
  • Order 66 flashbacks from new perspectives are always welcome. Does somebody know if they finally used actual people to play the clones rather than CGI?
  • Temuera’s cameo as a clone trooper-turned-beggar was heartwrenching.
  • A minor detail but I’m so glad they fixed the Grand Inquisitor’s eyes.

Mixed

  • John Williams’s Obi-Wan theme is great as usual, but the rest of the music doesn’t stand out that much for the moment (The Mandalorian and Book of Boba’s scores had me hooked a lot sooner).

Cons and/or headscratchers

  • The production aspects are hit and miss. The costume and set design ranges from stunning (Alderaan, Daiyu) to awkward (the Inquisitors). The action and stuntwork also leaves a bit to be desired (Reva’s parkour being the worst offender).
  • In the second episode, why are they so fixed on suggesting the Grand Inquisitor is dead? Seems pointless knowing he’s still around for Rebels and if they really killed him off I doubt the showrunners and canon consultants would let such an oversight to pass.
  • Didn’t really grasp why would Kumail Nanjiani’s character decide to help Obi-Wan so soon, wish there was more context to his motivations.
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I finally saw the Mandolorian after people kept asking me over and over. It has issues but at least felt like an old Dark Horse Star Wars Tales comic or something for the most part. So I had to watch these as an Obi-Nerd.

My two cents: You can tell the production values went down here immediately. Some dodgy effects shots and the photography continually has flat empty visuals. There are moments that do recall fan films and not in the good way. (The awful staging of the chase in the trees cracked me up as did the certain cameo.)

The draw is the return of Obi-Wan and McGregor is giving a really good performance…with not much to do. The plotting and villains are so one note it’s quite dire. Actually I think the villains are truly dire. I threw my hands up early on at how silly it was.

I do agree the opening has TFA vibes.

Of all the solid or great Obi-Wan tales already out there…they sorta took a mishmash general approach with zero surprise or depth. You could’ve shot Miller’s Kenobi novel without changing a thing and it would’ve been great. Or they could’ve done the opening books of The Last of the Jedi series which is where I thought they would go seeing the setting of Ep2.

It’s especially disappointing as I’ve played around with my own Obi-Wan solo story script ideas for years. They could’ve gone for something with real depth. My idea was to do George’s “space western” with Ben being like the haunted James Stewart characters of Anthony Mann’s psychological westerns-on a journey of eventual redemption. Even thought of dropping Ben on Nar Shadaa to stop a secret Imperial force-sensitive children’s facility.

The lead performance is great and on point. For me that’s about it.

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The giant fish in the middle of the desert makes 0 sense to me. If this is a supposed remnant of ancient Tatooine’s oceans it’s absurd that it would remain intact as a skeleton , let alone fresh meat!

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idir_hh said:

The giant fish in the middle of the desert makes 0 sense to me. If this is a supposed remnant of ancient Tatooine’s oceans it’s absurd that it would remain intact as a skeleton , let alone with fresh meat!

I would assume that it’s inside had been persevered for who knows how long, plus “alien” meat might last longer than ours. Gonna have to ask the space whalers about that one.

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The Inquisitors seem to be a big sticking point for a lot of people who didn’t watch Rebels or play Fallen Order. I think the important thing to remember about them is that they’re not the top-tier villains or even proper Sith, they’re just the morally-bankrupt bottom-rung ex-Jedi who sold out to survive. They’re not quite cannon fodder like stormtroopers, but they’re very much expendable (in Fallen Order you fight a few as literal videogame bosses). Being a threat but a bit of a lame one is kind of their shtick - in Rebels at least they mostly exist as warm-up baddies to make Vader and Maul even more intimidating by comparison.

I imagine opinions about the villains of this show will improve now that Vader, the real threat, is coming into the picture. He ought to carry his usual presence, assuming the voice work and physical acting is up to scratch. While the Grand Inquisitor definitely isn’t really dead (because continuity), I think his wounding has been introduced to make him a severely reduced presence in the second and third acts. He is definitely the same guy because he appears with his Rebels look in comics set before this series. Reva will probably be separated from the rest of the Inquisitorius for the rest of the show, but keep interfering with Kenobi and Vader to continue serving the role of ‘character whose fate we don’t already know so there’s actually some dramatic tension’.

Re: how she knows Vader’s identity - we see at the start of Episode 1 that she was present at the Jedi Temple when Anakin Skywalker’s 501st Clone Legion started shooting everyone, and she may have even seen him killing Jedi himself (he only wore a hood, not a great disguise). Even if she only suspected it, Kenobi’s emotional response to hearing of “Lord Vader” would’ve confirmed it for her. I don’t think it’s so far-fetched to think quite a lot of the more clued-in Imperials who had been around since the days of the Republic would at least harbour suspicions - canonically Tarkin and Thrawn are basically 100% sure and Ahsoka figures it out based on vibes alone, so I’d imagine people like Wullf Yularen or the Inquisitors could also piece it together. I’m sure mentioning it to Vader’s face would be fatal, of course.

This show is definitely pitched more to the Prequels/Clone Wars/Rebels generation in its tone and characters, rather than being marketed towards OT fans like Force Awakens was. I think at this point Lucasfilm recognise that that’s the core audience these days, and even the breakout stuff like Mando seems to be designed to indoctrinate newbies into watching TCW and Rebels. With Filoni’s large role in TV even outside of projects he’s actually writing, that’s the current “Star Wars”, which is great if you like it, and not so great if you don’t.

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Well, I think the inquisitors are supposed to be over the top and annoying. But deadly.

Anyway, my favorite part of this is Leia. That young actress not only looks like Carrie Fisher, but she is acting like Carrie Fisher. Perhaps more than she is acting like Leia. But we also see that Bail and Breha are trying to mold this young firecracker into the Leia she will be. I think they are trying to honor Carrie by how wild young Leia is. And if you think she is too short for the character, you haven’t been among kids lately. In any grade they very greatly in height. Up to about a foot. And since Carrie’s Leia was very short, her being short is in line. Vivien Lyra Blair is presently 10.

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I agree about Leia, one of the strong points of these first couple episodes (along with Owen, showing that the actors were very well chosen on the PT). I’ll wait to see the entire 6 parts to be sure about what I think about it on a storytelling perspective. On a visual one, it’s kinda poor, cheap and lazy (something that the PT nor the OT were) and the soundtrack is a failure. I wasn’t expecting JW quality, not even Powell or Giacchino, but come on, it doesn’t sound anything except generic tv stuff. Such a shame.

For sure I’ll be interested by a dry run of the show in a fan edited form to remove the many embarrassing moments (especially the “Home alone” kidnapping scene and most of Reva’s incredibly cheesy dialogues…) as well as the cliché tv editing with sort of cliffhanger reveals.

Star Wars used to be a cinematographic event, which redefined what was high standard entertainment. Now Vader and Kenobi are fooling around on tv episodes directed with basic tv abilities. So sad.

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Well, I think the inquisitors are supposed to be over the top and annoying. But deadly.

Anyway, my favorite part of this is Leia. That young actress not only looks like Carrie Fisher, but she is acting like Carrie Fisher. Perhaps more than she is acting like Leia. But we also see that Bail and Breha are trying to mold this young firecracker into the Leia she will be. I think they are trying to honor Carrie by how wild young Leia is. And if you think she is too short for the character, you haven’t been among kids lately. In any grade they very greatly in height. Up to about a foot. And since Carrie’s Leia was very short, her being short is in line. Vivien Lyra Blair is presently 10.

Is the one on the right her or Carrie??

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jedi_bendu said:

When Vader shows up in Rebels, none of the characters have seen or heard of him before. It seems he’s very much been hidden from the public eye.

I like it a lot: it shows that most who see him don’t survive to tell about it.

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idir_hh said:

The giant fish in the middle of the desert makes 0 sense to me. If this is a supposed remnant of ancient Tatooine’s oceans it’s absurd that it would remain intact as a skeleton , let alone fresh meat!

Looked like a Thranta. According to Legends, they seem to be living on Alderaan and Bespin.

Wonder how this specimen ended up on Tatooine…

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idir_hh said:

The giant fish in the middle of the desert makes 0 sense to me. If this is a supposed remnant of ancient Tatooine’s oceans it’s absurd that it would remain intact as a skeleton , let alone fresh meat!

I would assume it is somekind of a flying creature that actually lives in space. Maybe it died near Tatooine’s orbit and its corpse crashed in the desert?

Digression: In Star Trek that kind of thing - creatures living in space - is not uncommon.

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