The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS ** — Page 32

So, out of all the starship models in existence, she learned to fly exactly the one she would eventually pilot? 😄
I hope this simulator at least looked a bit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV0778NmsDc&index=3&list=PL1UKGRwng8-PRCcm6QRXnADulUWZdMqYs or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6HMu0k-NVc&feature=youtu.be&t=250

Alderaan said:

mes1983 said:
Let’s put it this way: do you think Vader had “elite” troopers with him in ANH, when he is boarding the Tantive iv? They sure don’t look like it… And that could be considered as an equally important mission.

They all did as they were told and they all did what was expected of them. There wasn’t a stormtrooper on board who suddenly thought “naaaaah…I didn’t sign up for this!” and then helped Leia and the Droids escape.

Well, it was never necessary to the plot. That’s why it never happened. Again, these are movies, they follow plots, not real life logic. However, over thirty years later they needed to come up with a new angle, so they followed your sense of logic, and this time it made sense plot-wise, and that’s why it’s never happened until now.
Also, It’s not like people haven’t had this idea before, and that’s pretty much why there has always been an EU to explore ideas that ‘make sense’ within the lore, but that’s completely unnecessary to the overall, pre-established, plot.

mes1983 said:

Smoking Lizard said:

John Doom said:

So, out of all the starship models in existence, she learned to fly exactly the one she would eventually pilot? 😄

Yep.

Yes, just like Luke learned to fly an X-wing by flying a Skyhopper through Begger’s Canyon:-p

We were talking writing about how convinently she learns to fly SPECIFICALLY the same model as the Falcon she later pilots, not much about the fact she knows how to fly ships. In this regard, though, at least ANH states Luke can actually fly ships (and, for all we know, this Skyhopper thing could be very similar to an X-Wing, considering a rebel commander is fine with him piloting one), while in TFA it’s never stated Rey can: that’s in a novel, and not even in the movie’s one.

I never had trouble with Luke or anyone else being able to step into any old ship and be able to fly it. Consider that we (today) can pretty much drop into any car and drive it, even models we’ve never driven in before. It isn’t a stretch to imagine that in a much more technologically advanced culture, the user interface in flying ships will have been as standardized as is the case for our cars today. You’d learn to fly a ship the way we learn to drive cars. And some people are just better at doing the fancy stuff.

joefavs said:

There’s an exchange in the actual film after they escape that’s something like:

Finn: “How did you do that?!”
Rey: “I don’t know! I’ve flown a few ships in atmosphere before, but I’ve never left the planet!”

I’m sure that’s not close to verbatim but it’s definitely the gist. It’s a line I couldn’t make out until my second or third viewing because Rey and Finn are talking at the same time very fast. I took the “few ships” she refers to to mean other junkers Unkar Plutt owns, doing odd jobs for extra rations. She says the Falcon hasn’t flown in years, but I’m sure Plutt had other freighters of similar classes. I’m seeing it again on Saturday with my family, I’ll try to remember it word for word.

Doesn’t Rey talk about having worked on the Falcon for years? She does know a lot about Plutt’s modifications to the ship, and even has to tell Han how to use it with all the new stuff added. It’s possible that she’s even flown it a bit during some of Plutt’s modifications.
Rey also seems to know who Plutt originally stole the Falcon from. She’s seemingly had a pretty busy life on Jakku.

Anchorhead said:

TV’s Frink said:

That’s one consistent thing I’ve seen here, people complaining about things in TFA that didn’t bother them in ANH.

Understatement of the week.

For the record; I get being disappointed and critical of a film. Really, I do. I’m coming at this from being a fan of one Star Wars film only (until last week), swearing off all things Lucas, and having not even bothered with watching his last two cartoons. I’m well aware of what it’s like to watch a beloved story tailspin into a poorly revised, poorly written, poorly acted, CGI shitfest.

That said; I’m also aware that Star Wars77 had more than it’s fair share of contrived plot points and plot holes. I accept them, embrace the story, and go on the adventure. However…

• An escape pod the size of an SUV falls to a planet, sometime later the Empire decides to go look for it, and within minutes the stormtroopers are standing next to it? Weak.

• The pod lands very near Luke’s house and he just happens to buy the droid that was inside? Later it ends up at Ben’s, who also just happens to have the lightsaber the totally random farm boy’s dad used to own? Contrived.

• The Death Star - constructed specifically to blow-up planets - has to go around a planet before it can…blow up a different planet? WTF?

• The Death Star is the size of a moon, yet our heroes seem to be able to walk everywhere they need to be in what appears to be just a few minutes. Unrealistic.

• A small exhaust port on a moon-sized space station can lead the entire station disintegrating? Contrived.

There are others I’m sure I’ve forgotten over the years. My point is just this; The intense criticism of The Force Awakens can easily be applied to Star Wars77. I’m at a loss as to why one gets a pass and one does not.

Yes it’s funny how artistic license can be praised in one film, but be equally hated in another.

Take these videos for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9KKnCYrihs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnSXJLbuaco

There’s roughly 30 minutes here where this guy talks about all of the plot holes and artistic license that ANH has in it, and yet he’s actually a fan of the film. However, skip his introduction and conclusion and you could easily assume that he’s actually criticizing the film.
This guy basically makes the argument that these logical flaws are what makes ANH cinematically interesting.

That’s not to say that Ithink TFA should get a pass on everything it does, but many people here are definitively overreacting.

Anchorhead said:

RU.08 said:

When using CGI it’s best practise not to zoom it to fill the frame, but with Snoke JJ just puts it right in the frame to pull us out of the suspension of disbelief.

Unless I missed something, we never see Snoke. We just see a holographic projection Kylo is speaking with.

But none of the holograms in the OT made the characters look like outdated CG cartoons…
I don’t see why he wasn’t portrayed by a real person.

Bosk said:

joefavs said:

There’s an exchange in the actual film after they escape that’s something like:

Finn: “How did you do that?!”
Rey: “I don’t know! I’ve flown a few ships in atmosphere before, but I’ve never left the planet!”

I’m sure that’s not close to verbatim but it’s definitely the gist. It’s a line I couldn’t make out until my second or third viewing because Rey and Finn are talking at the same time very fast. I took the “few ships” she refers to to mean other junkers Unkar Plutt owns, doing odd jobs for extra rations. She says the Falcon hasn’t flown in years, but I’m sure Plutt had other freighters of similar classes. I’m seeing it again on Saturday with my family, I’ll try to remember it word for word.

Bosk said:

Considering this forum is called original trilogy, I think a rebrand is needed as most folk in here consistently defend non-original trilogy films Tfa is just another bad spin off…my second viewing really brought this home… #originaltrilogyand anyoldshitewithstarwarsinthetitle.com

You’re assuming an awful lot of authority about the state of the forum for someone who registered less than a month ago.

I joined thinking this forum was dedicated to fans of ‘just’ the original trilogy? It seems that I was very, very wrong. Loads of TFA blinkers on in here, must have seen a different film to me as it’s just as bad as the prequels if not worse as it’s not even had the involvement of the ORIGINAL creator. On reflection TPM is a better film as it had a better score and was paced better and that says a lot.

Nope. The forum was founded by fans petitioning for Lucasfilm to release the original, unaltered, theatrical versions of the original trilogy at a time when only the Special Editions were available. Lucasfilm eventually conceded, but only by including low quality, non-anamorphic laserdisc rips as DVD extras.

Fan projects like Harmy’s Despecialized Editions have rendered the petition unnecessary these days, but the community lives on.

And even if the forum HAD been created by people who ONLY like the original trilogy, it was created before TFA was even written, so deciding not to like it before we’d even seen it would be kinda dumb 😃

Anchorhead said:
That said; I’m also aware that Star Wars77 had more than it’s fair share of contrived plot points and plot holes. I accept them, embrace the story, and go on the adventure. However…

• An escape pod the size of an SUV falls to a planet, sometime later the Empire decides to go look for it, and within minutes the stormtroopers are standing next to it? Weak.

• The pod lands very near Luke’s house and he just happens to buy the droid that was inside? Later it ends up at Ben’s, who also just happens to have the lightsaber the totally random farm boy’s dad used to own? Contrived.

• The Death Star - constructed specifically to blow-up planets - has to go around a planet before it can…blow up a different planet? WTF?

• The Death Star is the size of a moon, yet our heroes seem to be able to walk everywhere they need to be in what appears to be just a few minutes. Unrealistic.

• A small exhaust port on a moon-sized space station can lead the entire station disintegrating? Contrived.

There are others I’m sure I’ve forgotten over the years. My point is just this; The intense criticism of The Force Awakens can easily be applied to Star Wars77. I’m at a loss as to why one gets a pass and one does not.

So far, to me it seems ANH has barely any plot hole compared to TFA, probably because it was written in more than 3 years, but it all depends on how much one nitpicks plots, I guess. About ANH:
-the Empire decided to go looking for the escape pod because it turns out it may contain the DS’s plans;
-the droids, Luke and Obi-wan all get together because of the Force: Obi-wan says throught the movie that the Force partially controls ones’ actions, so it acts kind of like Fate in epics, forcing people to get together (that’s the same reason I kind of accepted a lot of minor things in TFA, like Finn taking Poe’s jacket so that it could’ve been recognized by BB8);
-what’s wrong with the Death Star having to move close to a planet to destroy it?
-we don’t know how much time they actually spend on the DS, and they use elevators too, with only Obi-wan actually moving to the core (and taking a lot to reach it);
-the exhaust port? Everything has its weakness 😄
It’s just my opinion, but the more I try to find plot holes in ANH, the more I see it was actually pretty well written.