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The Chronology of How My love for Lucas has fallen

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With all the talk of the O-OT debacle Lucas has put upon us, I started to think what happened? I was talking to a friend on how this guy was god to me even in the mid 90's. But as I started to read about the OT, I started to realize that Lucas wasn't everything that he proclaimed to be with Star Wars. To me it is not about his vision, it is about that he owns the movies, and that is why he does what he wants. Here is the timeline of Lucas's fall from grace according to my SW fandom, and see if you agree:

1977- Blown away as a 5 year old kid seeing SW in the theater, my favorite movie to this day.

1980- He did it again. I was expecting SW II, but that was more of expecting the same story with just bigger effects. But Lucas did one better, and took a classic and made it one better with this classic.

1983- I loved ROTJ as an 11 year old kid, wasn't as good as the first two, but way better than any sequel at that time. It had a happy ending and in a sense it was closure to my childhood to becoming a teenager in the next year and a half.

1983-1996- Still love the OT, but finally realized there would never be 7,8,9, so the saga did end in 1983. Whenever it is on HBO, or TBS or any channel, I would always watch it. It would also be the only videotapes I have ever owned, as I wasn't a movie collector, except for SW.

1997- The SE comes, and was amped to see it in the theater again. The magic was still there that first night, SW was back! But wait.......Did Greedo shoot first? I don't remember that song in jabbas palace in ROTJ? Oh well, it was something different, but I still kinda like the originals, I think Lucas was just using this as a selling point, he can't be recognizing these SE can he?

1999- TPM comes out, WTF? I walked out of the theater, and wondered what the hell happened. I went back again, and kept denying myself that this is a bad movie. It can't be, this is George Lucas, he doesn't make bad movies? I defended him to all the bashers, "This is just a setup movie, you have to wait for everything to play out."

2002- AOTC comes out, uh ohh. I walked out of the theater with my friends, and dead silence. One friend said, "OK, he's 0 for 2!" This can't be a bad movie, this is George Lucas, ahh, the critics hate him that is why I am tainted. I see it again, and then I start to second guess if George Lucas is this genius.

Summer of 2003- I begin reading up on the history of SW. As huge of a fan that I was, I never really read about that much of what went on behind the scenes. I'll be honest, I thought Lucas wrote & directed all 3 OT movies! Wait a second, Kershner directed ESB! Kasdan wrote ESB & ROTJ! Gary Kurtz produced SW & ESB, and left for creative differences? Ralph McQuarrie painted all the visualization that Lucas says is his vision. Lucas doesn't really tell John Williams how to score the music, is that why it is so great? Lucas didn't edit any of the OT movies? Why didn't I just read the damn movie credits for the hundred times that I watched the films, and I would have seen that Lucas didn't do squat after SW '77.

2004- DVD released, very hyped thinking it will be both SE & O-OT. Then on the internet- Sebastian Shaw erased for Hayden? Are you fucking kidding me! "The O-OT does not exist anymore, and if you want it, go buy it on VHS, I am not wasting money remastering it." Alright George, why the hostility, I like you and all, but that is alittle insulting.

2005 - ROTS comes out. OK, this is the story, Lucas is going to hit a homerun. I leave the theater stunned, stunned that the movie is alright. It was better than the first two prequels, but still has so many prequel problems, I start to wonder, is Lucas that great? Is he overrated?

He did everything on SW '77, but many other filmakers have one of two hits in their careers but arent' considered gods? Johnathen Demme did The Silence of the Lambs, Andrew Davis did The Fugitive, heck Kevin Costner did Dances with Wolves. Now I am starting to suspect Lucas is not this great director, he is not a great writer, and he is obsessed with CG.

2006- The O-OT is released, and I am esctatic! Finally, I never understood the hatred for Lucas from many fans for the last few years, so I was ready to give George a big thank you in September. Two weeks later, Non-Anamorphic! That is was a huge 'Fuck You' to every fan who supported him from 77-83. I have been pissed off for a week now, and I can honestly say I hate the man, because he is an arrogant prick. He is doing this out of spite, plain & simple, he is afraid if they are as good quality as the SE, fans may actually choose this edition, and Lucas's ego can't handle that.

He has gone from God to what I think is an arrogant asshole, who is overrated as a director, who can't write a lick of dialogue, and has zero respect for the one set of movies that made him king of the world, while he hangs his legacy on a ruined OT SE, and three average Prequel movies that are only loved by fanboys. And the fact that he didn't even direct ESB & ROTJ, but changes the movies to his vision is insulting to Kershner & Marquand. He should be kissing Kershners ass for how great that movie is.

It was a long road since 1977, but I can't believe I would say this George, "I really do hate you now."
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Patience, young one. For all things have a way of sifting themselves out.
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I can't believe how much of a change there was for Lucas between 1976 and 1983. Sure it is 7 years, but wow he sure looked young during A New Hope.

Maybe that is what ate is brain. All the fame and glory that came from his "one hit wonder."
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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I was thinking about this just now when I was outside walking my dog. I do agree with Lucas's principle that the artist should be in control of his films rather than the studio or a corporation. I understand why he wants control. I understood why he fought tooth and nail to get the rights to the first movie away from 20th Century Fox. He has a great amount of drive when it comes to his work. What George lacks, though, and lacks a significant amount of, is responsibility. He does not at all act with the proper attitude of a filmmaker. I believe it's an artist's right to be in control of his films, but all he has done, time and time again, is abuse that right, making completely irresponsible decisions. He has proven time and time again that he does not deserve to have the right that he worked so hard to attain. Hopefully the next generation, in light of all of his arrogance and screw-ups, doesn't decide that it would simply be better for the studios and other outside forces to edit and cut the film without any imput from the director, completely ruining the film's artistic vision, simply because George Lucas was too greedy to use his power responsibly!

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Well, the original poster captures my thoughts nicely - if anything, I may have been a bit quicker to see Lucas' true colours.

There are still millions of fanboys who worship the ground he walks on but more and more fans are seeing the truth.

One fluke in 1977 and then a steady decline. If you see him in interviews he really doesn't know much about the story or the characters - contradicting himself or relying on rationalisation squads.

Yoda, for example. We all knew who Yoda was. We knew the character. Kershner knew the character. Lucas didn't. In Lucas' head, Yoda is a CG frog with a lightsabre, always up for a fight and who talks in ridiculous sentences. He is dumb, violent and has relations with wookies.

Lucas really doesn't have a clue.

I make these films for myself more than I make them for anybody else…I don't really make my films for an audience ~George Lucas

The most important people for any filmmaker, the reason that I make films, is for you! The audience rules! ~ George Lucas


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All that makes me think: how can you all hate so much all the recent SW stuff, and waste so much time yelling about it?...
Already, I don't understand how someone who loves SW can spend ALL his time on it, but someone who hates it?... pretty freaky...
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Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN

One fluke in 1977 ...

Nonononono .... Fluke was in Hardware Wars, not Star Wars. 1978, not 1977.
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It is amazing how in the past few weeks George Lucas has completely destroyed his credibilty among his fan base. I can't even stand to hear his name. He would be nothing if it was not for us. If it was not for us there would have been no ticket sales and no DVD sales. Fans walked into that theater in 1977 blind. They did not know what they were about to see, but they took a chance. It is because of this that he has what he has. If the movie would have flopped the studio would have kicked his ass for even breathing. But because of us he was able to go on and make the other 5 episodes and slowly decline into the sad pitiful state he is now. So the way I see it is we saved his ass back in 1977, and he owes us.


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I was just at the Presidio today. Walked over to the Letterman Center, and the Lucasfilm offices. I was with a German friend, showing him around. Well, if you walk up to this one area you can look inside and see a statue of the guy who created King Kong, and other various Star Wars stuff inside, like a lifesize Darth Vader. I was content to just LOOK INSIDE. Well, my friend, not having any qualms just WALKS INSIDE. Yes, INSIDE Lucasfilm. I stepped through the door, but stopped right there, and the girl at the desk looks over. She didn't tell us to leave or anything, but I felt like I was Satan and had just darkened the doorway of a church or something, LOL. I turned around after 20 seconds or so to leave, and my friend followed me. OH MY GOSH, I can't beleive that happened. And I have been so mad the last week like everyone else here. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Welcome to the Dark Side of the star wars fandom. It's not so bad...

Back at tfn, and some other places on theweb, back when the preqs (the PU as someone called it once )were out, I'd get blasted with insults if I questioned George's quality as god of star wars from which all good in star wars flowed.... I look back at how I recanted, backpeddled and all that junk just so internet bullies wouldn't hassle me for having a different point of view and it pains me to know that I second guessed my own deeply felt judgement about where my beloved movies were being taken.

It started for me with one word...

Midichlorian? Wtf is this shit?

From there it spiraled down slowly into the mess we have now known as the PU. I wanted them all to be great. And indeed each film has a great film hidden beneath lots of cgi crap inside it that editors are desperately trying erase. I wish peter jackson could have been handed at least one of the PT films to do. The LOTR trilogy is how I've really dreamed it would have been done for years, with real heart, lots of kickass action of course, and a good story. Then With Spielberg sending us home with episode three.... oh ... that would have been sweet.

Well it wasn't all lost. We got some cool video games out of it. I really enjoyed the clone wars cartoons. That's how the pt should have been done: fast, fun, adventerous, mystical, like the originals and no stupid poop humor.

How telling it is that his first PT movie featured an animal pointing its ass straight at all of us and letting one rip... lol.
He big in nothing important in good elephant.

"Miss you, I will, Original Trilogy..."

"Your midichlorians are weak, Old man." -Darth Vader 2007 super deluxe extra special dipped in chocolate sauce edition.

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Originally posted by: Kaal-Jhyy
All that makes me think: how can you all hate so much all the recent SW stuff, and waste so much time yelling about it?...
Already, I don't understand how someone who loves SW can spend ALL his time on it, but someone who hates it?... pretty freaky...


Well, speaking for myself...

I DON'T spend ALL my time on it. In fact hardly any. I am a professional with a full-time job, a partner and am studying a Masters Degree. I have lots of hobbies and interests and like a lot of different movies.

I do like to pop onto the Star Wars boards and have a rant. Its a break from real life. And also:


1. Hate is just as powerful as Love. With the added fuel of knowing what could have been.

2. There is potential for humour in bashing that isn't found in the ass-kissing world of the fanboy. The Bashers Sanctuary on TFN was proof of this.


Debating lightsabre colours and theorising Yoda v Maul?

or

Parody, ridicule and bash the state of modern Star Wars with people who have standards?


I know which one I would rather spend precious spare time on.



I make these films for myself more than I make them for anybody else…I don't really make my films for an audience ~George Lucas

The most important people for any filmmaker, the reason that I make films, is for you! The audience rules! ~ George Lucas


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My criticism of the SE's and PT's aren't fueled by hate, they're fueled by my love for the original Star Wars, the ones I saw on the big screen and the ones I watched on VHS all through my young adult life. I dislike Lucas because I chose to, I dislike Lucas because he has been hypocritical, irresponsible, petulant, and inconsistent. The latest Originals-on-DVD crap is the final straw and it means war!
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ANother great post from CO.

My timeline is essentially the same with the following additions/alterations:

1983-1999- Rumors abound that although George will never make sequels to the OT he will make Prequels. My friends and I discuss ideas at length, unknowingly setting ourselves up for a big let-down in the years 1999-2005. I’ll take responsibility for having some unrealistic expectations, but how could I know that a few 12-year-olds could come up with a better back-story than the master of modern story-telling?

1992- Heir to the Empire is released and I’m drawn headlong back into the GFFA. Say what you will about Zahn and his additions to the Star Wars Universe, the Thrawn Trilogy when taken in conjunction with Han/Greedo in SE SW show that Zahn has a much better grasp of Han Solo than Lucas does.

1999- TPM comes out; I take leave from Peace-Keeping Operations/War in Serbia to reunite with my family. I purposely choose late May/Early June so I can see TPM with my young family. I’m disappointed, but tell myself that it’s my fault for building up too much anticipation. Some of my anger is mitigated by my children; I have serious issues with Jar Jar, but my 3-year-old daughter loves him so early on (the first three viewings) he gets a pass. Also my son is five, the exact same age I was when I saw the original in 1977 and his excitement about Maul seems to parallel my excitement about Vader.

2002- AOTC comes and I actually breathe a sigh of relief. AOTC is the best of the PT movies in my opinion. I’m the exception I know. Still there were elements of mystery (Sifo-Diyas) and I’m happy that Anakin is finally the age I hoped he would be in TPM. I initially overlook the still ridiculous levels of CG because Jar Jar is absent from most of the film. I can overlook the horrible (especially compared to ESB) romance sequences. I don’t bitch about Anakin being whiney because I remember that Luke was whiney until the end of ESB.

2003-2005- I play the crap out of KOTOR and it raises questions that are hard to answer:

1. How can a Canadian RPG developer have a better feeling for the nature of the force than its inventor?

2. How can this same developer convey a deeper, more engrossing and epic story than George can? I know that a Video Game is a broader canvas than a movie, but that should be negated by the fact that George has a significantly larger budget and virtually unlimited resources.

2004- DVD released and like CO I was hoping it would include both versions (OOT & SE) of the films. The replacement of SS by HC in the force ghost scene reminds me that George doesn’t have a fucking clue what his own story is. If the OT is supposed to be about the redemption of Anakin Skywalker shouldn’t the ghost that appears be the old Anakin? I mean if the ghost is HC was Anakin ever truly redeemed? Was I wrong in thinking that the Jedi in ROTJ was plural? Why do evil people get greater rewards (young, virile 23-year-old Anakin spirit) than loyal Jedi (old, broken down Yoda/Ben spirits) from the living force?

2005 - ROTS comes out. OK, this is the story, Lucas is going to hit a homerun. I also left the theatre stunned. Stunned that George chose to use a slow-motion sound clip of Austin Powers screaming NOOOO to relay the tragedy that Vader feels for the death of Padme. Stunned that the film is called Revenge of the Sith and there is not much of an explanation of why they want revenge. Stunned that George just threw away the Sifo-Diyas plot line after saying several times (including his commentary on the AOTC DVD) that it would be specifically addressed in Episode III. Most of all I was stunned at myself; I let myself get excited over another Lucas film in 2005 when I should’ve been able to read the tea leaves in 1983.

2006- The O-OT is released, and I am ecstatic! I would be much happier if the films were given the same love and attention that has been heaped on the SE. Still I’m almost happy that no clean up will be attempted because I know George would fuck that up too. I’m also happy to have the films because my last VHS copy of Star Wars is about to die.

I don’t hate George because I don’t really hate anyone. At the same time I do fundamentally believe the statement I put in my signature:

“I also thought George could be turned back to the good side. It couldn't be done. He is more CGI now than story. Twisted and evil.”
"Look, going good against bashers/gushers is one thing. Going good against the living? That's something else."
- Darth-Adroit

“I also thought George could be turned back to the good side. It couldn't be done. He is more CGI now than story. Twisted and evil.”
- Darth-Adroit
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Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN
Yoda, for example. We all knew who Yoda was. We knew the character. Kershner knew the character. Lucas didn't. In Lucas' head, Yoda is a CG frog with a lightsabre, always up for a fight and who talks in ridiculous sentences. He is dumb, violent and has relations with wookies.



You notice how when Lucas writes for Yoda EVERYTHING he says is backwards? I hate it. In the OT he only talks that way perodically.

Backwards: "Looking? Found someone you have I would say?"

Normal: "I cannot teach him. They boy has no patients."
"Much anger in him. Like his father."
"No, no he is too old. Too old to begin the training."
"Will he finish what he begins?"
"You must feel the force around you."

Backwards: "Yes, yes. To Obi-Wan you listen."
"Told you did I. Reckless is he. Now, maters are worse."

About 2/3rds of his dialogue is normal. In the PT, I dare you to find a line he says normally. God I hate the way he was in those shitty movies.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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Yes, in the prequels, Yoda became a parody of himself. It was quite sad.

I don't really hate Lucas. After all, he did bring us the OT. So I still give him credit for that. Heck, even though I didn't like most of the changes in the SE, I'll still give Lucas credit for bringing the OT back to theatres, to give us who were a bit too young to watch the original releases to see it on the big screen. I can even forgive Episode I. But what goes too far for me is Lucas's own bashing of his original work, and the refusal to release a quality O-OT on DVD.
However, as has been said before, Lucas has turned to the dark side. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny....
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN
Yoda, for example. We all knew who Yoda was. We knew the character. Kershner knew the character. Lucas didn't. In Lucas' head, Yoda is a CG frog with a lightsabre, always up for a fight and who talks in ridiculous sentences. He is dumb, violent and has relations with wookies.



You notice how when Lucas writes for Yoda EVERYTHING he says is backwards? I hate it. In the OT he only talks that way perodically.

Backwards: "Looking? Found someone you have I would say?"

Normal: "I cannot teach him. They boy has no patients."
"Much anger in him. Like his father."
"No, no he is too old. Too old to begin the training."
"Will he finish what he begins?"
"You must feel the force around you."

Backwards: "Yes, yes. To Obi-Wan you listen."
"Told you did I. Reckless is he. Now, maters are worse."

About 2/3rds of his dialogue is normal. In the PT, I dare you to find a line he says normally. God I hate the way he was in those shitty movies.


You have to admit, though, that George snuck it in pretty sneakily. I guess it's because Yoda had a relatively minor role in TPM. But by the time they got to the Clone War at the end of AOTC, that's when it really started to go down the toilets. It sounded like one of those pullstring dolls that had been left out in the rain. "To the forward command center, take me!"?! "Around the survivors a perimeter create!"?! What the hell was that shit? And it got worse in Sith with, "A prophecy that misread could have been." It took me several seconds to figure out what the hell he was saying!

I'll take your dare to find a normal line of dialogue in the PT. I give up. You win.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I'll be honest guys, I thought Yoda started sounding goofy in ROTJ. It was a short scene before he died, but he started talking backwards too much then. Just compare him in ESB with the other 4 movies he appears, it is almost like he is a different character. In ESB, he truly shines in that movie, and the fact that he is a puppet, and steals every scene on Dagobah is truly remarkable. He talks backwards a few times in ESB, but not nearly as much as the other 4 movies after.

I look at it this way with Yoda and everything in SW. It all started to crumble in ROTJ, but not enough where it was noticably bad, then when it gets to the PT movies, it just gets really bad. The humor, the dialogue, Yoda, The Emperor, the acting, the plots of the stories, and the plot holes. If you really look at ROTJ, it all started there, and then once the SE & PT were released, the floodgates opened and the saga went from great to mediocre. But don't get me wrong, I still love ROTJ, I just notice now how inferior in quality it is to SW & ESB.
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Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit
2004- DVD released and like CO I was hoping it would include both versions (OOT & SE) of the films. The replacement of SS by HC in the force ghost scene reminds me that George doesn’t have a fucking clue what his own story is. If the OT is supposed to be about the redemption of Anakin Skywalker shouldn’t the ghost that appears be the old Anakin? I mean if the ghost is HC was Anakin ever truly redeemed? Was I wrong in thinking that the Jedi in ROTJ was plural? Why do evil people get greater rewards (young, virile 23-year-old Anakin spirit) than loyal Jedi (old, broken down Yoda/Ben spirits) from the living force?
I just had a thought...

To start off with, I've never been in favor of the change to Hayden in ROTJ. It hasn't bothered me as much as many other, but maybe that's because I'd already written off the "new" versions of the trilogy after the 1997 editions. Anything George did after that was nothing more than a curiosity to me.

But here's my take on force ghosts: as I understand it, the spirits of Anakin, Ben Kenobi and Yoda were only being seen by Luke. No one else from the celebration could see them. Even Leia did not seem to see them. Hence, they would likely be seen as only Luke would visualize them. Ben would appear as his old self, as Luke had last seen him. Same with Yoda. Anakin would logically appear as the Anakin that Luke knew--the old, Uncle Fester one. Luke had never seen young Anakin Skywalker, so he wouldn't know who that was. So this makes the change to Hayden's Anakin even more wrong.

My theory says that force ghosts don't have a real form (why would they need one?), and that their appearance is dictated by the person who is able to see them. By that same token, I'm betting that when spectral Ben Kenobi appeared before Luke and Yoda on Dagobah, Luke saw him as old Ben (which was our viewpoint as well), but Yoda saw him young Obi-Wan, as he was when they parted.

Just my two cents.

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It's a well known fact that George Lucas took it a little bit too far in ROTJ, like the Jabba court sequence that looked like an over-the-top episode of The Muppet Show and the horrible dancing number with contemporary big band show music. The 'enhancements' to the 1997 and 2004 SE didn't remedy that. Instead they made it worse, considering that I had grown accustomed to the original version of the movies with all their glitches and little defects.

There is still hope that 2007 will see a OOT release that does credit to these movies. They deserve it!
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Originally posted by: CO
I look at it this way with Yoda and everything in SW. It all started to crumble in ROTJ, but not enough where it was noticably bad, then when it gets to the PT movies, it just gets really bad. The humor, the dialogue, Yoda, The Emperor, the acting, the plots of the stories, and the plot holes. If you really look at ROTJ, it all started there, and then once the SE & PT were released, the floodgates opened and the saga went from great to mediocre. But don't get me wrong, I still love ROTJ, I just notice now how inferior in quality it is to SW & ESB.
I heartily agree.

War does not make one great.

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Originally posted by: CO
He talks backwards a few times in ESB, but not nearly as much as the other 4 movies after.


And that was exactly the point. Yoda was supposed to talk backwards occasionally because we were to assume that his original language worked like that. He was supposed to come at speach like someone from another country who tries to speak english correctly, but sometimes reverts back to what is most natural for him or her. George Lucas then turned him into a caricature worthy of ridicule. Depressing. Yoda was so cool before the PT.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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My hatred for lucas came spontaniously and instantly, when i read this little announcement on May 4th, 2004 regarding the 2004 DVDs:

"The versions of the films contained on the discs will be AS GEORGE SEES THEM TODAY"

it was enough to sour my mood for the day,
even when I had just returned from winning $200 at a casino!

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Well I think Yoda became a joke in the PT. Literally. The old, wise Master Yoda is sitting and facing The Sith Lord and shows his infinite wisdom saying things like:" Difficult to tell who the Sith Lord is. Clouds darkside rain on everything. *burb* Another Jawa juice master Yoda requires..." "Good relations with the wookies I have" Everyone else raises an eyebrow. "That's master Yoda allright. We are lucky to have such a wise kermit as a leader..." Lucas turned the wise Jedi master into an action hero. Nice move there genious. Now you have kids thinking kermit with a lightsaber is cool. Lucas took what was once an icon of wisdom and pacifism and turned that into a raving lunatic. And I just don't buy it when people say, that it was allways meant to be like this. That Yoda was supposed to be war hero in the pt and then change his ways and become a hermit who speaks against war, violence and weapons. The character takes 180 after ROTS. It's not character development when it happens offscreen. It's bad story telling.
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Well, coming from that angle, a warrior who gets his ass handed to him and then has to retreat to a hermit-like existence for a generation and become a pacifist... I can buy that as character development. It happens all the time in stories. I just don't like the way it was handled. It was obvious it wasn't done for character development, only to be "cool." And I'm against Yoda using a lightsaber to begin with. Like I've said before, it seemed beneath him. Besides, as a kid, I always pictured the Jedi (or Force users in general) as being more diverse with their powers. There were some, like Ben, who channeled their powers into being able to duel with laser swords. Some, like Palpatine, channeled their power into using flesh-eating lightning. Others, like Yoda, used the Force to focus their wisdom and patience to a fine point. They all had different jobs. The prequels just turned them all into a bunch of spinning, lightsaber-wielding maniacs. And to make up for the homologous take on the Jedi? They made up a whole bunch of different lightsaber fighting styles to go along with the type of Jedi. Like the ambassador fighting style. Ambassador fighting style?! WTF, mate!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.