Star Wars: The Costume Thread — Page 2

Probably a really odd thing to revive this thread with,
but I just noticed that Luke’s ceremonial jacket from the end of ANH has a very similar design as the jacket that Greedo wears under his west.

I wonder if they just re-coloured (painted? dyed?) and altered the Greedo jacket somewhat and used it for the Medal ceremony scene to save time and money, and I’m also curious as to whether there is some canon-explanation for them having the same jacket design.
(It’s called the “ceremonial jacket”, but I always got the impression that it was some kind of pilot jacket, which would make some sense for both characters.)

The ribbing on the sleeve doesn’t go all the way down the arms, though. I’m also inclined to think Greedo’s outfit was a jumpsuit as well?

Tyrphanax said:

The ribbing on the sleeve doesn’t go all the way down the arms, though. I’m also inclined to think Greedo’s outfit was a jumpsuit as well?

Yeah, that is true.
But they’re still very similar in design.
Also had Luke zipped his jacket all the way up I think the collar would have looked like Greedo’s as well.

So I guess they’re two different costumes all together, but the designs might still be intentionally similar.

Taking this in a different direction, I’m interested in what George’s idea was for the uniform of a Jedi Knight. During ROTJ scripting, he discussed how Knights and masters were not in fact different levels of Jedi but rather were different kinds of Jedi entirely. Yoda was always a guru, Obi-wan was always a warrior. To that end, Luke is seen throughout ROTJ wearing what I assume is the uniform of a Jedi Knight, in various levels of undress:

Perhaps there was thematic significance with Luke slowly shedding this Jedi uniform, as if the defense of his Jedi training was slowly stripped away to reveal the man beneath, for good or ill.

This being the ancient Jedi uniform, one could conjecture about why it is so militaristic and dark compared to the robes of Obi-wan and Yoda. It seems to me that GL’s idea of the Jedi Knight circa 1983 was that a Knight was very much a military position within the Republic, and perhaps the uniforms were dark so as to lend an air of mystery and invisibility to them. To me, the costume is more like the common conception of a Ninja rather than the common conception of samurai clad in kimono, and it is a severe break from Obi-wan’s and Yoda’s attire. If Obi-wan was a samurai serving the Republic, then Luke is a Jedi-for-hire, with no master save himself. It’s interesting that only after abandoning violence does his costume reveal a color other than black.

Indeed, that’s a longstanding mystery. Maybe Marvel reached out to LFL before writing it (basically asking "is it OK if we write a story about PT-era Obi-Wan) and got some free costume suggestions in addition?

Or maybe the artists had read the same SF novels as the rest of us, and just decided that space-black and silver were the natural uniforms of Lensmanesque space cops. 😄

I don’t think the robes were meant to be specifically Tatooine farmer outfits, but rather farmer outfits in general. In a lot of pre-PT material they’re referred to as “colonist clothing”, which makes sense considering how humans aren’t meant to be native to Tatooine.
(It’s hard to say since this was never addressed in the movies and that a lot of this info comes from EU material, but I don’t think it was ever blatantly meant to be just Tatooine outfits. At least not post-ESB.)

DominicCobb said:

What I find interesting is that Luke’s outfit in TFA is almost exactly his outfit in ROTJ, just colored differently.

There’s always debate as to whether the robes and tunic are actually a part of the Jedi uniform (as the PT suggests) or rather the garb of Tatooine dwellers and hermits. Luke being a hermit in TFA doesn’t help either way. Perhaps Rey’s eventual Jedi costuming will prove one way or another (though it is probably likely that she’ll keep the outfit from the end of TFA throughout VIII).

Whoof, I just realized I hope we don’t see any PT Jedi robes in the ST.

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

What I find interesting is that Luke’s outfit in TFA is almost exactly his outfit in ROTJ, just colored differently.

There’s always debate as to whether the robes and tunic are actually a part of the Jedi uniform (as the PT suggests) or rather the garb of Tatooine dwellers and hermits. Luke being a hermit in TFA doesn’t help either way. Perhaps Rey’s eventual Jedi costuming will prove one way or another (though it is probably likely that she’ll keep the outfit from the end of TFA throughout VIII).

Whoof, I just realized I hope we don’t see any PT Jedi robes in the ST.

Is there such a thing even? We more-or-less just saw the same robes that Ben and Yoda wore. I think Anakin was the only one who really stood out, and his outfit was kind of mix of the farmer robes and Luke’s black outfit.

i think it’s most likely they’ll make up their own Jedi outfits for TFA that kind of fits in between both the OT and PT, so as to not irritate either side of the fan base.

ZkinandBonez said:

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

What I find interesting is that Luke’s outfit in TFA is almost exactly his outfit in ROTJ, just colored differently.

There’s always debate as to whether the robes and tunic are actually a part of the Jedi uniform (as the PT suggests) or rather the garb of Tatooine dwellers and hermits. Luke being a hermit in TFA doesn’t help either way. Perhaps Rey’s eventual Jedi costuming will prove one way or another (though it is probably likely that she’ll keep the outfit from the end of TFA throughout VIII).

Whoof, I just realized I hope we don’t see any PT Jedi robes in the ST.

Is there such a thing even? We more-or-less just saw the same robes that Ben and Yoda wore. I think Anakin was the only one who really stood out, and his outfit was kind of mix of the farmer robes and Luke’s black outfit.

i think it’s most likely they’ll make up their own Jedi outfits for TFA that kind of fits in between both the OT and PT, so as to not irritate either side of the fan base.

There’s definitely a difference in feel between what we saw Ben wearing in Star Wars and what we saw all the Jedi wearing in the PT. Different textures and materials and whatnot.

Tyrphanax said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

What I find interesting is that Luke’s outfit in TFA is almost exactly his outfit in ROTJ, just colored differently.

There’s always debate as to whether the robes and tunic are actually a part of the Jedi uniform (as the PT suggests) or rather the garb of Tatooine dwellers and hermits. Luke being a hermit in TFA doesn’t help either way. Perhaps Rey’s eventual Jedi costuming will prove one way or another (though it is probably likely that she’ll keep the outfit from the end of TFA throughout VIII).

Whoof, I just realized I hope we don’t see any PT Jedi robes in the ST.

Is there such a thing even? We more-or-less just saw the same robes that Ben and Yoda wore. I think Anakin was the only one who really stood out, and his outfit was kind of mix of the farmer robes and Luke’s black outfit.

i think it’s most likely they’ll make up their own Jedi outfits for TFA that kind of fits in between both the OT and PT, so as to not irritate either side of the fan base.

There’s definitely a difference in feel between what we saw Ben wearing in Star Wars and what we saw all the Jedi wearing in the PT. Different textures and materials and whatnot.

Sure, but the Jedi outfits were surprisingly OT-esque compared to everything else.

(All I meant was that it shouldn’t be a big deal if an ep. VIII Jedi costume ended up being similar to the PT as they were already very similar to the OT.)

DominicCobb said:

What I find interesting is that Luke’s outfit in TFA is almost exactly his outfit in ROTJ, just colored differently.

There’s always debate as to whether the robes and tunic are actually a part of the Jedi uniform (as the PT suggests) or rather the garb of Tatooine dwellers and hermits. Luke being a hermit in TFA doesn’t help either way. Perhaps Rey’s eventual Jedi costuming will prove one way or another (though it is probably likely that she’ll keep the outfit from the end of TFA throughout VIII).

The robes and tunic were definitely Obi-Wan’s Jedi uniform in SW 1977 - all the script drafts for the first film describe the Jedi and Sith wearing such outfits. John Mollo even produced a separate design for Ben Kenobi’s Tatooine farmer gear, but this was cut due to budget reasons.

Nonetheless, the 1977 Jedi robes are clearly close enough to Tatooine farmer attire to pass casual scrutiny. Doesn’t mean they’re identical with it, though.

ZkinandBonez said:

Tyrphanax said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

What I find interesting is that Luke’s outfit in TFA is almost exactly his outfit in ROTJ, just colored differently.

There’s always debate as to whether the robes and tunic are actually a part of the Jedi uniform (as the PT suggests) or rather the garb of Tatooine dwellers and hermits. Luke being a hermit in TFA doesn’t help either way. Perhaps Rey’s eventual Jedi costuming will prove one way or another (though it is probably likely that she’ll keep the outfit from the end of TFA throughout VIII).

Whoof, I just realized I hope we don’t see any PT Jedi robes in the ST.

Is there such a thing even? We more-or-less just saw the same robes that Ben and Yoda wore. I think Anakin was the only one who really stood out, and his outfit was kind of mix of the farmer robes and Luke’s black outfit.

i think it’s most likely they’ll make up their own Jedi outfits for TFA that kind of fits in between both the OT and PT, so as to not irritate either side of the fan base.

There’s definitely a difference in feel between what we saw Ben wearing in Star Wars and what we saw all the Jedi wearing in the PT. Different textures and materials and whatnot.

Sure, but the Jedi outfits were surprisingly OT-esque compared to everything else.

(All I meant was that it shouldn’t be a big deal if an ep. VIII Jedi costume ended up being similar to the PT as they were already very similar to the OT.)

Agreed. The PT Jedi robes are basically OT in origin. The main difference is the higher cut of the robe, which ends at the knees rather than the ankles in order to allow for stunt work.

And if somebody actually wants to see John Mollo’s drawings for Ben Kenobi’s Tatooine farmer outfit, why not look at the first page of this thread?

Also, I wonder if Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters were meant at one point to have different robes - Jedi Knights wearing black jumpsuits suitable for combat, and Jedi Masters wearing longer samurai-style robes in light earth tones. Like how ordinary Lensmen wear the space-black and silver uniforms of the Galactic Patrol fleet, but the higher-ranking Gray Lensmen wear gray leather flight suits.

All we ever get from the movies is that Obi-wan used to be a Jedi Knight, but there’s so little information in the OT about the Jedi hierarchy that we really have no idea if this implies that he ‘ascended’ to the rank of master later on, hence the robe change, or that he is retired from the whole Jedi Knight business. Jedi Knight could have been an actual position in the Old Republic, which ceased to exist with the Republic. Or Jedi Knights are wholly different than Jedi Masters, like the difference between a soldier and a teacher.

I do believe that Knights and Masters had different robes to match their different roles.