Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released) — Page 7

Moth3r said:

See this guide, Step 5.

Thanks M

So what audio options would you guys like to see in these?

I need input so I can start gathering what is needed.

So you are not interested in hairy_hens new 70mm mix, or the 5.1 upmix of hairys new mix?

also give me ideas for all 3, or I could just keep them the same as what they are already.

I'd be interested in hairy_hens new 70mm mix in 2.0, and the 2.0 track that you included with your first versions, dark_jedi.  I don't care about 5.1.

TV's Frink will probably post in now and say the opposite. :-)

Chewtobacca said:

I'd be interested in hairy_hens new 70mm mix in 2.0, and the 2.0 track that you included with your first versions, dark_jedi.  I don't care about 5.1.

TV's Frink will probably post in now and say the opposite. :-)

The opposite! ;-)

Mielr said:

 

but fixing the music-editing mistakes in ESB would be great. That would be my one suggestion.

 

I have no experience in audio editing, so if you have a link to this audio already done I could add it.

Is the '77 Dolby Stereo mix available online anywhere?

'Fixing' some of the choppy music edits in Empire is on my list of things to do after I get the 70mm 5.1 sorted out (which hopefully can be wrapped up today).  This would involve substituting appropriate sections of the '97 SE into the 1993 mix; notably the transitions from Dagobah to the Imperial fleet after the cave scene and after Yoda raises the X-wing, and the longer version of Boba Fett's departure that ends with the scene change to Vader and Luke, rather than cutting off when Chewie begins firing at Slave I.  While I'm at it I would add the missing snowspeeder effect.

While these changes cannot be said with certainty to bring the '93 Empire closer to the 70mm mix, since no one truly knows whether they were present in that version or not, to me at least they would make it a bit more aesthetically pleasing by using more of the music as composed.  I have no plans to revisit the audio of Jedi; my previous version contained the deleted music from Obi-Wan's appearance on Dagobah, which was not on any official mix, but I think the scene benefits from its inclusion.

I would keep these music edits for Empire and Jedi confined to the 5.1 versions, since however good they sound they ultimately reflect my preferences and are not strictly authentic.  The straight '93 mixes of these should be sufficient for 2.0 playback.  I would recommend against using the 5.1 SE mixes as a majority source for the audio of the unaltered films, because they contain numerous 'flashy' surround effects that are far too loud compared to the rest of the sound--and the 70mm versions utilised a mono surround channel, not stereo surrounds as on the SE's, so the original design would be more accurately reflected by '93 upmixes.

hairy_hen so your 5.1 mix will be different than satanika's?

and if you are going to do ESB then I will wait on pushing these out, because I am interested in that to.

you also mention a previous version of Jedi, is this available? love to have options.

All of my 5.1 versions were upmixed by Satanika.  When I say 'sort out' the 70mm for Star Wars I just mean that I'm going to test the version he sent me, since I'm finally back home and able to use my 5.1 system.  I had a look at the waveforms of the AC3 already, and the dynamic peaks are every bit as high as on the stereo version, so I just need to listen to it to make sure it's playing back properly.  Once I verify that it'll be good to go.

I believe you already have my previous 5.1 tracks included on your version 2 encodes, right?  The music edits I'm going to make for Empire are only minor differences overall--the majority of it will sound exactly the same.  Jedi as I said I'm not going to alter any further, and Star Wars should be superceded by the 70mm.

So . . . my audio recommendations would be as follows:

Star Wars: 35mm stereo, 70mm 5.1, 35mm mono (possibly 70mm stereo or 1993 stereo if desired).

Empire: 1993 stereo, music-edited 5.1 (forthcoming).

Jedi: 1993 stereo, music-edited 5.1 (already available).

Theatrical stereo mixes for Empire and Jedi would be nice, but I don't believe anyone has ever made GOUT-synched versions of those.

Of course, everyone's listening preferences are different, so those who are sufficiently motivated may well want to mux their own versions to use their preferred audio tracks, whatever those might be, which is their perogative.

Do you like having that music there?  I think the scene is improved by it--otherwise something just isn't quite right.  The music adds emotional resonance, and I don't know why they decided to get rid of it, but I'd understand if some folks didn't want it there, since no 'real' version of the movie had it.

captainsolo said:

I agree-especially about theatrical stereo mixes for Empire and Jedi. I don't think I've ever heard them. It's nice to finally be able to get away from the 93 mixes.

So which Laserdisc set has these stereo mixes, I am sure I have them( I have all NTSC LD's) but not sure which LD's they are, if you know which ones they are and can post an image of the covers and info I can look into getting them.

dark_jedi said:

captainsolo said:

I agree-especially about theatrical stereo mixes for Empire and Jedi. I don't think I've ever heard them. It's nice to finally be able to get away from the 93 mixes.

So which Laserdisc set has these stereo mixes, I am sure I have them( I have all NTSC LD's) but not sure which LD's they are, if you know which ones they are and can post an image of the covers and info I can look into getting them.

I just bumped a post I made last year that has all the audio tracks listed with which laserdisc they appear on in a non-time-compressed form.

For the record, here's what I vote for (audio that would be default is listed first):

Star Wars
- 1977 Stereo
- Hairy_Hen's 70mm 5.1
- 1977 Mono

Empire
- 1980 Stereo
- Hairy_Hen's music-edited 5.1

Jedi
- 1983 Stereo
- Hairy_Hen's music-edited 5.1

Also, as far as subtitles go, I'd recommend checking out this thread - maybe you can use msycamore's script for Star Wars (hopefully he ends up doing one for Jedi as well).  I would never download another Star Wars DVD again if you could get near-theatrical-looking burned-in white subtitles, along with all the theatrical audio tracks!

I am already working with msycamore and have his subs included in g-forces latest script and already finished, but we need the subs for Jedi, which we are working on now.