Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD** — Page 74

DominicCobb said:

^That's actually a cool idea. I don't know about the ST, but maybe the spin-offs or a TV show. "The Adventures of Jaxxon Across the Galaxy Far, Far Away." I'd watch that.

As would I.

George may still have a giant green space rabbit phobia though. ;)

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

NeverarGreat said:

On one hand, it would be a breath of fresh air to dispense with the EU. On the other hand, it would be admitting to the fans that a vast swath of the Star Wars universe simply doesn't exist anymore. I find that to be a less than creative solution. In my opinion, the most important, most sacred duty of writers is to their created universes. If the creators and stewards of a fictional universe treat it with contempt, why should anyone else do otherwise?

Lucas has already shown contempt for his created universe, and has shot out the legs of both the OT and the EU in his pandering to Generation Stupid. If someone else decides to pick the gun up at this point and continue the target practice, who cares? The damage is done.

 

I don't think that Lucas has contempt for his universe. He's certainly not adept at reconciling the chapters of his changing story, but I honestly think that the prequels were the best that Lucas was able to do, given the twenty years he was out of practice and his misguided view of special effects.

I'll echo a previous point and say that a skilled writer can solve a million story problems by simply being careful about the time and place of the story. Framing is much of what makes a story work, especially in a universe with pre-established history and rules. If Han Solo is not the focus of these movies, there is no need to explain where Chewbacca has gone. If our heroes are in the middle of a new war from the outset, there will be little time to slow down and explain the events of the past thirty years, and a few words of exposition may be enough to get us up to speed. I don't want to hear about things that happened in the EU, as we're supposed to be focused on the present and the future. My point is that it may be easier than it seems to gloss over thirty years of history in a way that seems natural.

I would imagine the list from Lucasfilm of things they couldn't do with the characters and storylines only got longer after 1983.

There were still the first to have Boba Fett escape the Sarlacc though. I don't know if it was Lucasfilm that made them put him right back in or not.

The syndicated comic strips where also drawn by Archie Goodwin who did the earlier comic strips although I liked his work on Batman. 

Oh yeah I forgot about that little part.

xhonzi said:

imperialscum said:

Technically, Coruscant was there before PT.

Well I don't mind seeing some stuff introduced in the prequels (planets, double-bladed lightsabre etc.) but I don't want to see crap like "midichlorians" or "chosen one" and certainly don't want to see any characters from the prequels (for example using Hayden as Anakin's ghost is the stupidest thing I can think of atm).

No one in the ST timeframe should know any more about midichlorians or anything else that's only in the PT than they did in the OT.  Luke is the last Jedi after RotJ- where is he going to pick up terms like 'padawan' or 'younglings' if they weren't used around him when he went through his training?

I really hate this but... Yoda would have certainly taught Luke about the midichlorians, we just didn't see it happen. I hate that entire idea, but it is part of Star Wars cannon now, so there's no way Yoda didn't teach Luke about the crap in his blood that allows him to use the force... or whatever it is.

This is the biggest problem as far as I can tell.  However, Mr. Baca is sort of a problem no matter how you slice it.  Let's assume that in the new continuity that Han and Leia did in face get married (after he lost her to Space Fabio, kidnapped her, gave her a planet, told her that he was a king, and...  ) and had kids.  They're all settled down, and perhaps grandparents by the time the ST rolls around.

So... Han's roommate from his bachelor years is still hanging around?  Doesn't he have his own wife and kids (grandkids)?  I mean, it's cool that he and Han are awesome smuggling partners when they're young... but Han gets to settle down and Chewie doesn't? 

That and Leia definitely makes Han sell the Falcon after they get married.  She doesn't say anything about it right away, but she keeps pointing out how often it breaks down and how costly the repairs are, and oh! aren't those new family cruisers so nice! and Lando bought a new ship, let's go see it, and... well... it's what happened to me anyways.

I love this.

I think the Falcon would have been donated to some war museum or be part of some defeat-of-the-empire memorial by now :-)

ray_afraid said:

we just didn't see it happen.

If we don't see it than it didn't happen, as simple as that. If we started to claim something that is not seen in the film then one could claim, with equal weight, that Luke had sex with Yoda - we just didn't see it of course.

imperialscum said:

ray_afraid said:

we just didn't see it happen.

If we don't see it than it didn't happen, as simple as that.

What I'm saying is that the midicolorians are now a part of Star Wars. Part of the teachings of the Jedi. It wasn't that way '77-'83, but now that it is... it is. I'm not saying they are a part of my or anyone's personal cannons, but it is unfortunately an official part of the official Star Wars world. So to say that Luke wouldn't know anything about midicolorians bangs heads with the official story. Yoda would have taught Luke about it, because that's what he teaches.

ray_afraid:

Yoda would have taught Luke about it, because that's what he teaches.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.  But if the Original Trilogy could tell the tale without mentioning them, then the Sequel Trilogy can too.

Then you can have it both ways.  PT fans (EU fans) don't get contradictions.  OT fans don't get PTisms (EUisms) in their faces.

xhonzi said:

ray_afraid:

Yoda would have taught Luke about it, because that's what he teaches.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.  But if the Original Trilogy could tell the tale without mentioning them, then the Sequel Trilogy can too.

Then you can have it both ways.  PT fans (EU fans) don't get contradictions.  OT fans don't get PTisms (EUisms) in their faces.

That's true. I'm not really bothered with it either way. There isn't much chance of me liking part 7 when I'm not into 1-3 or 6. I can't help but be interested though...

I can't wait to see Star Wars Rebels because it will determine whether or not I should watch Episode VII.

TMBTM said:

NeverarGreat said:

Has everyone forgotten that Yoda clearly stated in ROTJ that Luke was the last of the Jedi? I figured that if he was able to sense Luke on Tatooine and watch him, he would easily have been able to locate any other Jedi who managed to survive the purge. If another Jedi did survive, that makes two Jedi who lied to Luke's face.

Yoda did not sense Luke on Tatooine. He sent Luke on Tatooine.

And not to forget that he never felt that a Sith Lord was running the republic under his nose. That makes Yoda's power to "scan the galaxy" from Dagobah in search for other Jedi  more than doubtful. (all this if you acknowledge the prequels existence, of course!)

This one a long time have I watched.

               All his life has he looked away...

               to the future, to the horizon.

               Never his mind on where he was.

It seems like in Empire Yoda was watching him "a long time", which I assume means he's been keeping watch over Luke for years.

OT Yoda was a wise mentor, but he would be no good in a fight, and certainly would be no match for the Emperor. The villains in the OT either do not realize that Yoda exists, or underestimate his subtle powers (such as psychic vision) and his wisdom.

Prequel Yoda on the other hand was a hyperactive lightsaber wielding frog who was just as stupid as the other Jedi on the counsel and simply gave up after going up against the Emperor and matching him blow for blow. I don't think that you can argue that these two characters are really the same.

Erm, I always though Yoda was talking about Luke's father.

Harmy said:

Erm, I always though Yoda was talking about Luke's father.

Why?

I don't know, looking at the scene now, it doesn't make much sense in the progression of the conversation - maybe I assumed that, exactly because I thought he couldn't be talking about Luke and it seemed to fit Anakin (even as described in the OT) and Yoda mentioned him before.