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Serenity — Page 4
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However, did anyone else hate the fact that the first 7 or 8 minutes of Simon rescuing River blatantly contradicted of "Serenity" (pilot ep of Firefly, not the movie) and "Ariel"?
In the pilot "Serenity" it was said that he spent his fortune making the contacts to get her out, and when they got her out they gave her to Simon in a stasis-cryo-whatever box so he could smuggle her back home. He never knew what it was that they did to her in the series and didn't find out until "Ariel."
But according to the movie Serenity, the contacts got him in, he was told exactly what they did to her by the guy that was doing it to her, and he got her out with help from the contacts.
It might be hard to do because the scene sets up the whole falling-on-your-sword thing and the Operative's character, but would anyone perhaps be willing to do an edit of the film to keep it in line with the series? It's not an end-of-the-world contradiction, but I'd still prefer it wasn't one at all.
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As for the stasis cell, I have no idea. Perhaps they put her in one because she flipped out after being rescued. Or maybe it's a retcon that Whedon felt made the story better. I don't know.
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"Ha, ha! Shimraa's a shchitzo(SP?) psychic! "
Don't you mean a "reader"?
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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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I DEMAND that you go see Serenity ASAP!
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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And on the flipside: I thought the characterisations and dialogue were REALLY, REALLY good. Very funny at a lot of points. And the main characters seemed 3-dimensional and cool. Could definitely see a lot of Han Solo there...
I'll likely watch it another time.
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You are kind of right in some of your criticisms, but hey - nothing is perfect.
The dialogue! Have been waiting years for some SF that didn't treat you like a freakin' moron! And was *gasp* FUNNY.
Hey I'd like to third Shimraa's motion but I don't think its allowed.
Go and see it anyway.
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On the otherhand, if you already know the characters from the series, then it has a heckuva lot more impact, I think. Actually, I had seen two episodes of the series, and didn't even know everyone's names going into Serenity, but I at least new something about them, which helps... a lot, I would think.
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Part of the problem with fitting the character development into allocated cinema time was that these characters were quite complex, so it must have made it hard to "version" them for the theatre - plus there were 9 good (sort of) guys on the ship, people they ran into and a villan, that's a lot of people to fit into that much time.
Its really the same problem they had with the TV series (I think), as the network it was on (Fox - and whos' favourite show will they cancel next?) wanted the whole world now, NOW NOW! And there was no time to introduce all the characters and let the world of the series unfold. Joss Whedon had a lot of success doing that kind of thing on his other TV shows, I can't imagine why Fox didn't allow him more freedom or give him credit for his level of expertise.
Anyways, its good to hear opinions of the film from people who were not familiar with Firefly, they matter a lot, perspective is important.
Its the world creation that's really got me hooked - everything is dirty. have been a bit sick of all those super-clean movies with SFX that is cool but meaningless.
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why isn't this movie bigger??
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Think it also that when people hear "Joss Whedon" (when anyone actually knows who he is) maybe they think that it is going to be all about Vampires. They also seem to have done a non-blockbuster campaign, which has meant that the film has not been as visible, and they have been relying on word of mouth and getting the fans to put up flyers etc. This is a good alternate strategy, but some more comprehensible, good old-fashioned advertising, to a wider audience might not have gone astray.
Think that it is also that its about audience expectations - people have come to expect a certain range of things to be in SF films - cool SFX, aliens, a profound lack of humour etc. So I think that when people see something that operates outside of that formula they don't know what to do with it. But maybe I am wrong here.
Would like to think that it will gather pace over the next year or so in formats other than cinema release, so that it gathers critical mass for a sequel (I hope).
The comparisons to George Lucas are particularly interesting - we have looped back somewhere near 1977, but almost in reverse...hmmm, will think about what I am trying to say here and maybe post a while later.
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My 2 cents though and somewhat offtopic.
Back on topic. I think DVD sales of this will do well and at least give it hope for another movie. Perhaps a straight to DVD, if Joss is willing to do it.
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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I was also a little worried about the characterization of River on the TV ads. I was scared that it was going to be a little too much "Matrix", but overall I think it was well done, and fits well into the TV story as well.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Or would it be Jayne shoots first?
I want a sequel...and I want Jayne and Mal to REALLY go at it.
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Originally posted by: Number20
It also would of helped if it wasn't always connected to the TV when it was talked about. Don't mean to sound bad, but to someone who never saw the show before and hears of a movie based on such a short-lived TV series doesn't make the average movie goer think "good film"
It also would of helped if it wasn't always connected to the TV when it was talked about. Don't mean to sound bad, but to someone who never saw the show before and hears of a movie based on such a short-lived TV series doesn't make the average movie goer think "good film"
I know exactly what you mean. When my friends introduced me to Firefly less than a week ago, I always simply assumed that it was a long-running, successful series because there was a movie and was completely taken aback when I was told that there were only a handful of episodes three years ago before it was cancelled.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.