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Indeed an interesting topic. Thanks everyone. Shout out to RogueLeader! Excellent post. I hadn’t even thought about the rebels fleeing Hoth and going to lightspeed! Whether you’re watching Revisited or not, it’s definitely there. I do like the idea of space travel taking some time…I think what I like best are the character moments that happen in the midst of traveling (ANH and ESB)…having that short bit of time to breathe before the next scene. Movies move so quickly these days…sigh.

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Is there really a debate about fighters having hyperdrive?!

We see – very much canon and very, very plainly – a bunch of fighters jumping into hyperspace in ROTJ when they leave Sullust and coming out again at Endor to attack the Death Star. X-wings, A-wings, Y-wings, the whole lot I think…

There is NO question they all have hyperdrive.

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HigHurtenflurst said:

Is there really a debate about fighters having hyperdrive?!

We see – very much canon and very, very plainly – a bunch of fighters jumping into hyperspace in ROTJ when they leave Sullust and coming out again at Endor to attack the Death Star. X-wings, A-wings, Y-wings, the whole lot I think…

There is NO question they all have hyperdrive.

That’s very much the point I think. Rotj is the first time we see this happen, and it seems to go against what is said by Ben in anh. “A fighter that size couldn’t make it this deep into space on its own.”

I don’t personally have a problem with it, but I get where people are coming from.

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There is nothing to suggest that small spacecrafts can go to lightspeed in ANH or in ESB (I’m right, right?). Not once is an xwing (or other craft around that size) shown going to lightspeed in either of these two movies (although it is sort of implied in ESB). BUT of course ROTJ comes around and makes it clear that they can.

Seeing as how Adywans versions are not strictly bound by the PT or ST, I was going to suggest that Adywan could decide whether or not the smaller craft have hyperdrive or not.

But it was pointed out that in ESB Revisited they are indeed shown going to lightspeed leaving Hoth. So the whole thing is moot.

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I mean, the EU figured out 35 years ago that Imperial fighters don’t have hyperdrives because they’re cheaper to produce that way, but the Rebels don’t see their pilots or hardware as expendable. It makes sense. And yes, the whole thing is moot because Adywan already showed X-Wings going to lightspeed, so it’s already canon in Revisited before RotJ.

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The TIEs are short range fighters. Small craft, tiny cockpit, ect.
The X-wing’s and other Rebel ships are larger, have a robot co-pilot/mechanic on board and we even see that Luke loads luggage into his X-Wing when leaving Dagobah. So, it make sense to me that they would have a hyperdrive and be able to handle long trips.

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NeverarGreat said:

I think it’s safe to assume that any planet not in the Hoth ‘solar system’ would take years to reach on sublight engines

RoccondilRinon said:

I think the official explanation is that the Falcon (and most ships) had a backup hyperdrive, designed only to get you (slowly) to an inhabited system for repairs.

My preferred explanation is that it’s a fairly dense area of space, such that systems are closer together than in our region, and that it still probably took several months to get to Bespin. This, of course, aligns with Luke needing more than a few days’ training with Yoda.

Well I don’t know how a hyperdrive is slow, but a hyperdrive is a hyperdrive.
And if Han has it, he would use it, in a situation like that.
He didn’t even try.
The only explanation for that, that there was no backup hyperdrive. Or he is stupid, but I would dismiss that probability.
Therefore he only had sublight engines.

Which made me do the math, and it turned out that it is possible to get to Bespin from the Hoth sytem in a couple of months, using only sublight engines.
I tried to calculate the least possible distance between 2 neighboring solar systems, based on our universe.
I was thinking about possible max. speed, to calculate time needed to cover that distance, but actually it is the fuel that limits max. speed, as you can accelerate in space until you reach lightspeed.
Also a reasonable accelaration rate is needed, that makes dogfight still possible.
I calculated that they can accelerate to 5 million km/h in 38 hours at max acceleration.
Yeah, that is a lot of fuel, but with no info about it, we don’t know how much fuel they burn. Since max speed depends on fuel, which can not be calculated, therefore 5 million km/h is an educated guesstimate, but is needed to create something to calculate with.

The outer limit of the Cuiper belt, which is considered the edge of our Solar system, is 50 AU from the sun.
This distance would be a bit more than 62 days with the calculated max, speed. Still there is acceleration and deceleration, but it is around 2 months.

Our sun is not the smallest possible yellow star, so for size of solar system calculation, it needs to be taken into account, that the size of the sun of the Hoth and Bespin system, that is still a yellow star, can be smaller.
Based on data, I think 40 AU system edge is reasonable, but of course suns could be even closer, but it is good enough for rough estimation.
So a 40 AU trip with 5 million km/h would take about 50 days. Double that and we have a 100 day trip between Hoth and Bespin.

I checked the Falcon, and it has everything to accomodate a long journey like this.
And it gives Luke enough time to train on Dagobah.

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RoccondilRinon said:

Well I don’t know how a hyperdrive is slow, but a hyperdrive is a hyperdrive.
And if Han has it, he would use it, in a situation like that.
He didn’t even try.
The only explanation for that, that there was no backup hyperdrive. Or he is stupid, but I would dismiss that probability.

It’s obvious, Han’s a player. He deliberately took it slow getting to Bespin so he could could have some alone time with Leia.

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Sifo Dyas said:

NeverarGreat said:

I think it’s safe to assume that any planet not in the Hoth ‘solar system’ would take years to reach on sublight engines

RoccondilRinon said:

I think the official explanation is that the Falcon (and most ships) had a backup hyperdrive, designed only to get you (slowly) to an inhabited system for repairs.

My preferred explanation is that it’s a fairly dense area of space, such that systems are closer together than in our region, and that it still probably took several months to get to Bespin. This, of course, aligns with Luke needing more than a few days’ training with Yoda.

Well I don’t know how a hyperdrive is slow, but a hyperdrive is a hyperdrive.
And if Han has it, he would use it, in a situation like that.
He didn’t even try.
The only explanation for that, that there was no backup hyperdrive. Or he is stupid, but I would dismiss that probability.
Therefore he only had sublight engines.

Which made me do the math, and it turned out that it is possible to get to Bespin from the Hoth sytem in a couple of months, using only sublight engines.
I tried to calculate the least possible distance between 2 neighboring solar systems, based on our universe.
I was thinking about possible max. speed, to calculate time needed to cover that distance, but actually it is the fuel that limits max. speed, as you can accelerate in space until you reach lightspeed.
Also a reasonable accelaration rate is needed, that makes dogfight still possible.
I calculated that they can accelerate to 5 million km/h in 38 hours at max acceleration.
Yeah, that is a lot of fuel, but with no info about it, we don’t know how much fuel they burn. Since max speed depends on fuel, which can not be calculated, therefore 5 million km/h is an educated guesstimate, but is needed to create something to calculate with.

The outer limit of the Cuiper belt, which is considered the edge of our Solar system, is 50 AU from the sun.
This distance would be a bit more than 62 days with the calculated max, speed. Still there is acceleration and deceleration, but it is around 2 months.

Our sun is not the smallest possible yellow star, so for size of solar system calculation, it needs to be taken into account, that the size of the sun of the Hoth and Bespin system, that is still a yellow star, can be smaller.
Based on data, I think 40 AU system edge is reasonable, but of course suns could be even closer, but it is good enough for rough estimation.
So a 40 AU trip with 5 million km/h would take about 50 days. Double that and we have a 100 day trip between Hoth and Bespin.

I checked the Falcon, and it has everything to accomodate a long journey like this.
And it gives Luke enough time to train on Dagobah.

It doesn’t matter how close the systems are to each other, it’s a simple matter of plot convenience.

A two-bit smuggler can’t reasonably expect to find one of his most notable compatriots in a desolate, 40 AU radius.

A vague acquaintance maybe, just not another owner of the Falcon.

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Our sun is not the smallest possible yellow star, so for size of solar system calculation, it needs to be taken into account, that the size of the sun of the Hoth and Bespin system, that is still a yellow star, can be smaller.
Based on data, I think 40 AU system edge is reasonable, but of course suns could be even closer, but it is good enough for rough estimation.
So a 40 AU trip with 5 million km/h would take about 50 days. Double that and we have a 100 day trip between Hoth and Bespin.

I checked the Falcon, and it has everything to accomodate a long journey like this.
And it gives Luke enough time to train on Dagobah.

Don’t overthink it. It’s a fantasy movie set in space. It is NOT science fiction. The falcon always travels at the speed of plot and the distance to Bespin is exactly far enough that the falcon can get just there.

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Tantive3+1 said:

During the space Battle of Endor, there should’ve been heavy casualties from both the Empire and Rebel fleet afterwards, not just a majority of the Rebel pilots surviving afterwards and most of the Empire fleet being destroyed.

For ex. during the Battle of Yavin, there were many casualties to Red Squadron where in the end only Luke, Wedge and a single Y-Wing pilot were the only ones who made it and not a majority of the Red Squadron pilots making it afterwards for a happier ending.

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adywan said:

Sail Barge and The Emperor’s Arrival Comparison Video:

This is how the colour grading for ROTJ:R is getting on. This really does show just how bad the grading of the official Blu-Ray for this film is. It goes from having magenta tint/ over saturated reds to a heavy blue/ cyan cast that, in the opening shot of the TIE’s approaching the Death Star, has completely wiped out any of the other colours that should be there. The swicthes to oversaturated blues and a heavy cyan tint that makes the stormtroopers etc no longer their true white colour. Cyan Scoutroopers?

https://vimeo.com/343682999

I am late to the party, but I have to say, it looks good. I have a few unimportant nitpicks to make though.

In the video, there are quite a few close ups to the alien faces. While normally it is not all that noticeable, close ups make it too obvious they are just rubber masks. They look too static and fake. Especially the brown masked dude behind Luke near the beginning of the video and the little animal thing that messes with C-3PO’s eye. It would be a significant improvement if they could at least blink. It would look a lot nicer and much more realistic. Same applies to Jabba the Hutt, but to a lesser extent. (It would have been nice and fluid if he could at least close his eyes fully while/after he dies.)

Secondly, the line Han Solo speaks while he is freeing Chewbacca from his restraints (He says “Boba Fett?” twice) is clearly (and quite obviously) a copy&paste repetition. (At least sound wise) He doesn’t even need to say it twice. He could say something like “What? Boba Fett? Where?” and it would flow and sound much better.

Lastly, could you remove and/or replace the The Wilhelm scream sound effect? It wasn’t a problem back then, but at this point it is so overused that it only cheapens the entire movie. It is a funny sound, don’t get me wrong, but I suppose it is supposed to be a less funny and more of a heroic moment. At least it is supposed to be. It is working against the movie.

One more minor nitpick, in the last part of the video, during Vader and Emperor’s walk, his face is too bright and his lips are too pink in your version. Color of his face almost appears normal (regular flesh colored), which is the opposite of what it is supposed to look like.

They are just that, nitpicks and nothing more. They are not essential suggestions in any way. I just felt like mentioning.

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I hope the fake stormtroopers etc. in the hangar scene will be replaced with something more convincing. ^^

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I’m just wondering how Ady will execute the “more definitive” Boba Fett death within the timing of the sail barge sequence and in time with the music. There are a few ways I could see it go down.

  1. Luke slashes Fett up with his lightsaber, perhaps decapitating him.
  2. Fett’s blaster bolt gets reflected by Luke and Fett takes the full force of it.
  3. The gunner on the barge accidentally disintegrates Fett.
  4. Han hits the jetpack, causing it to explode and kill Fett.
  5. Han’s spike impales Fett.
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I’m feeling pretty darn confident with Ady’s abilities. I’m just trying to break down for myself where several potential deaths could fit within the sequence.

  1. Fett lands on the skiff, tries to shoot Luke but gets his gun chopped up. Potentially, Luke could just kill him here, but that means that a lot of the sequence has to change to accommodate Fett going away.

  2. That gun firing from the sail barge hits Fett, knocking him over. This point could also be a place to insert a Fett death, as he falls down and the camera shifts to Lando asking Han & Chewie for help. Luke then jumps to the other skiff, meaning only a few shots have to be replaced with added footage or we cut back to the sail barge interior (which means a music edit).

  3. Fett is about to fire on Luke, which Luke could sense. Fett would fire his wrist gun thing, Luke would reflect the blast, and Fett would take the full force of it. This requires even less editing of the sequence.

  4. Han hits Fett with his spear. This point is probably where Ady will make the “better death” edit, with a few possible outcomes. Han could impale Fett with it, hit his jetpack and cause Fett to die in an explosion, or activate the jetpack and Fett explodes while in the air. These all require little in the way of re-editing the sequence, with the most work being a few insert shots done in the same manner as the Hoth extras or a CGI Fett exploding in some manner.

My big concern is what can be possible with extant footage, new material (e.g., ESB-style inserts), and CGI. I’m just happy the sarlacc (beakless, I assume) won’t burp after indulging on an overappreciated bounty hunter.

Whatever happens, I’m certain Ady can pull it off without music edits or interrupting the flow of the sequence.

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You could probably keep most of the action (if not all of it) intact, just make it a little harsher. The chain of events that happened in 1983 could still happen, in the same order, with the same people, but with the violence, and the effects of that violence, upped just that much more.

The easiest way would be to essentially have Fett’s pack go catastrophically haywire in a way that essentially “Anakin”'s him on the way to smashing into the skiff and falling to the ground. If Han hits him with the stick, it causes the rocket to fire and malfunction, and a charred and/or burning, almost lifeless Boba Fett goes flying towards the skiff while literally on fire, when he hits the side of the skiff, THAT can essentially be the point where the impact kills him. Have a minor explosion in the jet pack accompany the hit, and when he falls to the sand, he ragdolls down, the sand effectively putting him out just in time for his dead body to fall into the sarlaacs mouth.

I’m basically saying you can make Fett’s death PG-13 pretty easily with what’s already there, you don’t have to radically re-imagine the scene much. It’s sort of like how the Corridor Crew guys have been taking PG-13 action scenes from Marvel movies and showing how easy it is to make them R-rated with a few post-production flourishes.

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ray_afraid said:

That video is showing off the color grading. It’s not the final cut.

I know, I was just nitpicking the original. I used to video to point out some of it.

For Boba Fett, even just taking out the burping close up would be enough for me. In fact, cutting out everything burping related seems like a great idea.

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