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Indeed an interesting topic. Thanks everyone. Shout out to RogueLeader! Excellent post. I hadn’t even thought about the rebels fleeing Hoth and going to lightspeed! Whether you’re watching Revisited or not, it’s definitely there. I do like the idea of space travel taking some time…I think what I like best are the character moments that happen in the midst of traveling (ANH and ESB)…having that short bit of time to breathe before the next scene. Movies move so quickly these days…sigh.

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Is there really a debate about fighters having hyperdrive?!

We see – very much canon and very, very plainly – a bunch of fighters jumping into hyperspace in ROTJ when they leave Sullust and coming out again at Endor to attack the Death Star. X-wings, A-wings, Y-wings, the whole lot I think…

There is NO question they all have hyperdrive.

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HigHurtenflurst said:

Is there really a debate about fighters having hyperdrive?!

We see – very much canon and very, very plainly – a bunch of fighters jumping into hyperspace in ROTJ when they leave Sullust and coming out again at Endor to attack the Death Star. X-wings, A-wings, Y-wings, the whole lot I think…

There is NO question they all have hyperdrive.

That’s very much the point I think. Rotj is the first time we see this happen, and it seems to go against what is said by Ben in anh. “A fighter that size couldn’t make it this deep into space on its own.”

I don’t personally have a problem with it, but I get where people are coming from.

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There is nothing to suggest that small spacecrafts can go to lightspeed in ANH or in ESB (I’m right, right?). Not once is an xwing (or other craft around that size) shown going to lightspeed in either of these two movies (although it is sort of implied in ESB). BUT of course ROTJ comes around and makes it clear that they can.

Seeing as how Adywans versions are not strictly bound by the PT or ST, I was going to suggest that Adywan could decide whether or not the smaller craft have hyperdrive or not.

But it was pointed out that in ESB Revisited they are indeed shown going to lightspeed leaving Hoth. So the whole thing is moot.

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I mean, the EU figured out 35 years ago that Imperial fighters don’t have hyperdrives because they’re cheaper to produce that way, but the Rebels don’t see their pilots or hardware as expendable. It makes sense. And yes, the whole thing is moot because Adywan already showed X-Wings going to lightspeed, so it’s already canon in Revisited before RotJ.

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The TIEs are short range fighters. Small craft, tiny cockpit, ect.
The X-wing’s and other Rebel ships are larger, have a robot co-pilot/mechanic on board and we even see that Luke loads luggage into his X-Wing when leaving Dagobah. So, it make sense to me that they would have a hyperdrive and be able to handle long trips.

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NeverarGreat said:

I think it’s safe to assume that any planet not in the Hoth ‘solar system’ would take years to reach on sublight engines

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I think the official explanation is that the Falcon (and most ships) had a backup hyperdrive, designed only to get you (slowly) to an inhabited system for repairs.

My preferred explanation is that it’s a fairly dense area of space, such that systems are closer together than in our region, and that it still probably took several months to get to Bespin. This, of course, aligns with Luke needing more than a few days’ training with Yoda.

Well I don’t know how a hyperdrive is slow, but a hyperdrive is a hyperdrive.
And if Han has it, he would use it, in a situation like that.
He didn’t even try.
The only explanation for that, that there was no backup hyperdrive. Or he is stupid, but I would dismiss that probability.
Therefore he only had sublight engines.

Which made me do the math, and it turned out that it is possible to get to Bespin from the Hoth sytem in a couple of months, using only sublight engines.
I tried to calculate the least possible distance between 2 neighboring solar systems, based on our universe.
I was thinking about possible max. speed, to calculate time needed to cover that distance, but actually it is the fuel that limits max. speed, as you can accelerate in space until you reach lightspeed.
Also a reasonable accelaration rate is needed, that makes dogfight still possible.
I calculated that they can accelerate to 5 million km/h in 38 hours at max acceleration.
Yeah, that is a lot of fuel, but with no info about it, we don’t know how much fuel they burn. Since max speed depends on fuel, which can not be calculated, therefore 5 million km/h is an educated guesstimate, but is needed to create something to calculate with.

The outer limit of the Cuiper belt, which is considered the edge of our Solar system, is 50 AU from the sun.
This distance would be a bit more than 62 days with the calculated max, speed. Still there is acceleration and deceleration, but it is around 2 months.

Our sun is not the smallest possible yellow star, so for size of solar system calculation, it needs to be taken into account, that the size of the sun of the Hoth and Bespin system, that is still a yellow star, can be smaller.
Based on data, I think 40 AU system edge is reasonable, but of course suns could be even closer, but it is good enough for rough estimation.
So a 40 AU trip with 5 million km/h would take about 50 days. Double that and we have a 100 day trip between Hoth and Bespin.

I checked the Falcon, and it has everything to accomodate a long journey like this.
And it gives Luke enough time to train on Dagobah.

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RoccondilRinon said:

Well I don’t know how a hyperdrive is slow, but a hyperdrive is a hyperdrive.
And if Han has it, he would use it, in a situation like that.
He didn’t even try.
The only explanation for that, that there was no backup hyperdrive. Or he is stupid, but I would dismiss that probability.

It’s obvious, Han’s a player. He deliberately took it slow getting to Bespin so he could could have some alone time with Leia.

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Sifo Dyas said:

NeverarGreat said:

I think it’s safe to assume that any planet not in the Hoth ‘solar system’ would take years to reach on sublight engines

RoccondilRinon said:

I think the official explanation is that the Falcon (and most ships) had a backup hyperdrive, designed only to get you (slowly) to an inhabited system for repairs.

My preferred explanation is that it’s a fairly dense area of space, such that systems are closer together than in our region, and that it still probably took several months to get to Bespin. This, of course, aligns with Luke needing more than a few days’ training with Yoda.

Well I don’t know how a hyperdrive is slow, but a hyperdrive is a hyperdrive.
And if Han has it, he would use it, in a situation like that.
He didn’t even try.
The only explanation for that, that there was no backup hyperdrive. Or he is stupid, but I would dismiss that probability.
Therefore he only had sublight engines.

Which made me do the math, and it turned out that it is possible to get to Bespin from the Hoth sytem in a couple of months, using only sublight engines.
I tried to calculate the least possible distance between 2 neighboring solar systems, based on our universe.
I was thinking about possible max. speed, to calculate time needed to cover that distance, but actually it is the fuel that limits max. speed, as you can accelerate in space until you reach lightspeed.
Also a reasonable accelaration rate is needed, that makes dogfight still possible.
I calculated that they can accelerate to 5 million km/h in 38 hours at max acceleration.
Yeah, that is a lot of fuel, but with no info about it, we don’t know how much fuel they burn. Since max speed depends on fuel, which can not be calculated, therefore 5 million km/h is an educated guesstimate, but is needed to create something to calculate with.

The outer limit of the Cuiper belt, which is considered the edge of our Solar system, is 50 AU from the sun.
This distance would be a bit more than 62 days with the calculated max, speed. Still there is acceleration and deceleration, but it is around 2 months.

Our sun is not the smallest possible yellow star, so for size of solar system calculation, it needs to be taken into account, that the size of the sun of the Hoth and Bespin system, that is still a yellow star, can be smaller.
Based on data, I think 40 AU system edge is reasonable, but of course suns could be even closer, but it is good enough for rough estimation.
So a 40 AU trip with 5 million km/h would take about 50 days. Double that and we have a 100 day trip between Hoth and Bespin.

I checked the Falcon, and it has everything to accomodate a long journey like this.
And it gives Luke enough time to train on Dagobah.

It doesn’t matter how close the systems are to each other, it’s a simple matter of plot convenience.

A two-bit smuggler can’t reasonably expect to find one of his most notable compatriots in a desolate, 40 AU radius.

A vague acquaintance maybe, just not another owner of the Falcon.

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Our sun is not the smallest possible yellow star, so for size of solar system calculation, it needs to be taken into account, that the size of the sun of the Hoth and Bespin system, that is still a yellow star, can be smaller.
Based on data, I think 40 AU system edge is reasonable, but of course suns could be even closer, but it is good enough for rough estimation.
So a 40 AU trip with 5 million km/h would take about 50 days. Double that and we have a 100 day trip between Hoth and Bespin.

I checked the Falcon, and it has everything to accomodate a long journey like this.
And it gives Luke enough time to train on Dagobah.

Don’t overthink it. It’s a fantasy movie set in space. It is NOT science fiction. The falcon always travels at the speed of plot and the distance to Bespin is exactly far enough that the falcon can get just there.

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Tantive3+1 said:

During the space Battle of Endor, there should’ve been heavy casualties from both the Empire and Rebel fleet afterwards, not just a majority of the Rebel pilots surviving afterwards and most of the Empire fleet being destroyed.

For ex. during the Battle of Yavin, there were many casualties to Red Squadron where in the end only Luke, Wedge and a single Y-Wing pilot were the only ones who made it and not a majority of the Red Squadron pilots making it afterwards for a happier ending.

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