Sign In

STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 85

Author
Time

Valheru_84 said:

Ah yes, you’re all correct actually. I misread an article listing all BBY/ABY for each movie, re-checking it I can see now it is indeed 1 year between TESB and ROTJ (just based on the BBY):

0 BBY - ANH
3 ABY - TESB
4 ABY - ROTJ

So yeah, 3-4 years is getting a bit into the realm of an unbelievable time frame. Not impossible but definitely hard to believe by our standards even in a fictional universe as it still draws understanding from parallels and familiarity to ours.

In saying that, it’s still never bothered me personally as I never knew till looking at that article what the time lapses / jumps actually were and both sequels in the OT make you feel like a sufficient amount of time has passed to account for what has changed with our characters and the story.

Val

Originally, GL himself said the timespan was three years between each movie. Then, when Secrets of the Empire came out, the time between Empire & Jedi was changed to one year.

Author
Time

Originally, GL himself said the timespan was three years between each movie. Then, when Secrets of the Empire came out, the time between Empire & Jedi was changed to one year.

That always bothered me, as Yoda told Luke he had to stay with him to complete his training. Then Luke went off on his own and was able to do 25 years worth of Jedi training (Obi-Wan was knighted as a Jedi Knight at 25) in one year all by himself. He also tells Luke that only a fully trained Jedi can face off with Vader, then tells him in Jedi he has to confront Vader to be a Jedi Knight. I know it’s all because when Empire came out the plan was to do 6 or 9 movies, and then Lucas had to wrap it all up in one move.

There’s a great video on Youtube where a guy tracks down all the old articles about Star Wars being a 9 or 12 movie run. There are quotes with Lucas and Gary Kurtz talking about Luke’s sister being a completely different person on the other side of the galaxy. She was to get her own trilogy and then Luke and his newfound sister would team up to fight the Emperor. There was also talk of Luke killing Vader and taking his place, and his sister would bring him back to the light side. It’s a very interesting video if you can track it down.

Author
Time

Exitzero, did you just reply to yourself in the 3rd person? LOL

Now that you mention it, I think I had heard or read somewhere a number of years back about the same thing with GL stating 3 years had transpired between each movie which lines up with the actual time between the movies themselves releasing and probably why I misread the BBY/ABY times as I already had a preconception of the time frames.

In regards to your second post, I believe Yoda only said it in that fashion to try and impress upon Luke how unready he is to face Vader at that time.

Where in ROTJ Yoda knows he is ready now or as ready as he’ll ever be in the time they have left to defeat the Empire before all is lost, so he essentially gives the confrontation his blessing but knows as well that it will be the biggest challenge Luke will have ever faced and if he comes out of it alive and still on the light side, then he will have mastered control of his mind and emotions in the face of that massive adversity and facing the Emperor and his father of all people, essentially proving his worth to take the title of Jedi Knight (not Master mind you, but the first level of “Jedi-hood”) regardless of the time it would take under more normal circumstances and the fact that he will be the last of their kind and so needs Luke to become a Jedi to keep the flame of their order alive and pass on what he has learned. He could not do that if Yoda told him he hasn’t met the prerequisite 25 years of constant training under another Jedi and that there’s no one else left to teach him now anyway 😉

Val

Author
Time

Valheru_84 said:

Exitzero, did you just reply to yourself in the 3rd person? LOL

Now that you mention it, I think I had heard or read somewhere a number of years back about the same thing with GL stating 3 years had transpired between each movie which lines up with the actual time between the movies themselves releasing and probably why I misread the BBY/ABY times as I already had a preconception of the time frames.

In regards to your second post, I believe Yoda only said it in that fashion to try and impress upon Luke how unready he is to face Vader at that time.

Where in ROTJ Yoda knows he is ready now or as ready as he’ll ever be in the time they have left to defeat the Empire before all is lost, so he essentially gives the confrontation his blessing but knows as well that it will be the biggest challenge Luke will have ever faced and if he comes out of it alive and still on the light side, then he will have mastered control of his mind and emotions in the face of that massive adversity and facing the Emperor and his father of all people, essentially proving his worth to take the title of Jedi Knight (not Master mind you, but the first level of “Jedi-hood”) regardless of the time it would take under more normal circumstances and the fact that he will be the last of their kind and so needs Luke to become a Jedi to keep the flame of their order alive and pass on what he has learned. He could not do that if Yoda told him he hasn’t met the prerequisite 25 years of constant training under another Jedi and that there’s no one else left to teach him now anyway 😉

Val

Getting off topic so I PMed a reply.

Author
Time

Yeah good idea, I’ll catch you in there. Cheers!

Author
Time

I was a kid when it came out, and I remember debating with friends that he was his father. I believed it because of Owen’s line about being afraid Luke had too much of his father in him. But there were a lot of kids you couldn’t accept it.

I’ve watched it twice but just can not find it for the life of me. But if you can find that vid on youtube about what was originally planned and what could have been, it’s really interesting. He put together a lot of info from old magazine interviews and the letters sent out to members from that old 80’s Star Wars official Fan Club.

Author
Time

exitzero said:

I was a kid when it came out, and I remember debating with friends that he was his father. I believed it because of Owen’s line about being afraid Luke had too much of his father in him. But there were a lot of kids you couldn’t accept it.

I’ve watched it twice but just can not find it for the life of me. But if you can find that vid on youtube about what was originally planned and what could have been, it’s really interesting. He put together a lot of info from old magazine interviews and the letters sent out to members from that old 80’s Star Wars official Fan Club.

Um, the post you are replying to is in our PM 😉 Not sure if you’re getting your web browser tabs mixed up or something??

Val

Author
Time

Valheru_84 said:

exitzero said:

I was a kid when it came out, and I remember debating with friends that he was his father. I believed it because of Owen’s line about being afraid Luke had too much of his father in him. But there were a lot of kids you couldn’t accept it.

I’ve watched it twice but just can not find it for the life of me. But if you can find that vid on youtube about what was originally planned and what could have been, it’s really interesting. He put together a lot of info from old magazine interviews and the letters sent out to members from that old 80’s Star Wars official Fan Club.

Um, the post you are replying to is in our PM 😉 Not sure if you’re getting your web browser tabs mixed up or something??

Val

No, I was just replying to your post.

Author
Time

exitzero said:

Originally, GL himself said the timespan was three years between each movie. Then, when Secrets of the Empire came out, the time between Empire & Jedi was changed to one year.

That always bothered me, as Yoda told Luke he had to stay with him to complete his training. Then Luke went off on his own and was able to do 25 years worth of Jedi training (Obi-Wan was knighted as a Jedi Knight at 25) in one year all by himself. He also tells Luke that only a fully trained Jedi can face off with Vader, then tells him in Jedi he has to confront Vader to be a Jedi Knight. I know it’s all because when Empire came out the plan was to do 6 or 9 movies, and then Lucas had to wrap it all up in one move.

There’s a great video on Youtube where a guy tracks down all the old articles about Star Wars being a 9 or 12 movie run. There are quotes with Lucas and Gary Kurtz talking about Luke’s sister being a completely different person on the other side of the galaxy. She was to get her own trilogy and then Luke and his newfound sister would team up to fight the Emperor. There was also talk of Luke killing Vader and taking his place, and his sister would bring him back to the light side. It’s a very interesting video if you can track it down.

^ yeah , this is why , even if it’s not canon , I prefer to go with the notion that 3 years elapse between films , especially between Empire and ROTJ . It gives more time for Luke to develop his powers on his own ( you can see the progression in the old Marvel comics ) and when he shows up in ROTJ his being an Uber powered Jedi is not such a stretch compared to 6 months to a year between movies . And people harp on Rey for these reasons …

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

Author
Time
 (Edited)

The thing is Screams, without checking canonical references outside of the movie (which the majority of the audience outside of hardcore fans would not do) there is no indication as to how much actual time has passed and therefor it allows yourself to determine and make this up for yourself based on what you are shown in the movie and therefore it automatically creates it’s own inspecific supporting logic due to understanding enough time (however much that might be per individual) has passed for that to be realistic.

In the case of TFA and TLJ, the events themselves and the obvious fact that TLJ carries on directly after TFA with no time jump literally puts a time frame around the events of both movies to something like 1-2 weeks, maybe a month at best (but that is a big stretch) having passed from Rey thinking the Force is a myth to twice defeating a Sith trained by both Luke Skywalker and more powerful than the Emperor of old Snoke. She guns down any fighter in her way as she expertly pilots a ship she has only fixed in the past and lifts a literal couple or more tonne of rocks. All this in the space of what I approximate to be the passing of 1.5 weeks.

There is so much clearly different between the two examples that they cannot be so simply compared in saying that people give Rey grief…

Val

Author
Time

screams in the void said:

^ I will stick to the three years between OT movies in my head 😃

No probs, I wasn’t debating that and I’d prefer to keep a head canon of 3 years as well or not even put a number on it or the time between ANH and TESB since I never used to which means I was never concerned with whether something was possible in such a specific timeframe.

Author
Time

screams in the void said:

^ I will stick to the three years between OT movies in my head 😃

It’s funny because growing up with them on home video, I always thought they took place more or less back to back. Was surprised to hear the canon timespan!

Author
Time

I personally like to think that although there isn’t a time jump between the end of TFA and the beginning of TLJ, the is a time jump of who knows how long between when Rey and Chewie leave to find Luke and when they actually find him.

Like, that journey following the map should at least take a month in my mind, with some adventures through unknown space. I still think TFA should have ended as soon as they went to lightspeed.

Author
Time

Re the Empire building multiple Death Stars.
I read a ton of Cold War history and basically it’s the learning curve that is the bear.
Basically the US and the USSR poured tons of money into programs just to get a rocket to go up, off of the launchpad, without it exploding. Post World War 2 to Sputnik going up is 12 years of R&D on both sides of the globe. That’s to get one satellite up in orbit. From 1957 - 1969 we put people up there, did space walks, circumnavigated the moon and landed on the moon & came back.
There’s time and expense after the learning curve was solved but the real bear for both countries was the foundations of rocketry.
At the end of Revenge of the Sith you have a proto-Death Star being built. We have no definition that this is the one that we see 20 years later in A New Hope. We just see one being built. If you adhere to the learning curve thing this one could have easily blown up at some point while being tested or even sabotaged (I always like the line in A New Hope, “there’ll be no one to stop us this time” could refer to sabotage and doesn’t have to be rebels doing the sabotage, there were real division and competitions in the US between the Army and the Air Force over who gets what missile, we see that kind of thinking in Krennic v Tarkin in Rogue 1).

On to DSI, DSII and starkiller.
Since we made nuclear weapons all we have done is made bigger, badder, stronger iterations of the same.
There’s no reason that the Empire would not do the same thing. A ton of R&D dollars went into the first one and it basically did what it’s designed to do (zap a planet into oblivion) so there’s no reason to think that they wouldn’t try to refine it.
Just read “Red Moon Rising” a quick read on what was going on with rocket programs in the states and USSR when Sputnik went up, it’s a good place to start for anyone interested in this sort of thing.

Author
Time

Huh, I always thought RotJ happened immediately (or within a few days) after ESB…

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

Author
Time

Molly said:

Huh, I always thought RotJ happened immediately (or within a few days) after ESB…

Lando has had time to infiltrate Jabba’s joint, gain trust and become “one of the guys”.
Luke has gone from disgraced student to damn-near master.
These things take some time.
I’ve always figured on a couple years between OT films.
Between SW & ESB the Rebellion has had time to pack up and move to a frozen planet where they set up a massive, militarized, underground base. That had to have taken a year or more.
I’d say 2/3 years between each film is fitting.

Ray’s Lounge
Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

Author
Time

Anyone know what the Sarlacc is going to look like? I interpret the description as perhaps the original version but with the SE’s CGI tentacles. Not sure if he’s commented further about this one.

Author
Time

Ady,

I know you have a full plate and I am forever grateful for what you did with both Revisited films thus far. They are my ONLY go-to versions, though for nostalgia I do have Harmy’s Despecialized, but prefer yours because I like all the continuity fixes and additions you made. It truly is what we deserved to get back in 1997.

That said, aside from creating a new spectacular end to the Executor which I know you have listed - I wonder aloud if you might consider a scene that was scripted and shot - that might find a reimagining into ROTJ:Revisited.

In 1983 we felt short-changed with Vader when leaving our first viewing, and how Vader was handled in ROTJ. He was a vastly different character rather than the menacing ‘no-nonsense from anyone villain’ we got to see in Empire. I know Lucas softened him to make him sympathetic and a tragic figure rather than a villain by the time he got to scripting Jedi - but we at least wanted to see some glimmers of the villain we saw in ESB.

There is a scene in the ROTJ Novelization by Glut that absolutely thrilled me when I read it, and wished to Lucas that he had filmed that scene exactly as written and put it in the movie.

The scene has Vader walking to the elevator tube on DSII to go see Emp, which is flanked by two red Imperial Guards who step out with their force pikes and inform him “You may not enter”. Vader immediately and without hesitation force chokes both of them, lifting them off the ground. One manages to gurgle: “It is the Emperor’s command” - upon which Vader releases them immediately to fall in a clump on the floor while Vader turns to a side window and says flatly “I shall await his convenience”.

The filmed Deleted scene with Jerjerrod is just sorely lacking, but what the novel described above I thought is as quick and intense as the “Bring my shuttle” line that you fixed (Thank you) in ESB:R. I know this personal wish is probably a ridiculous question to even suggest and probably even more ridiculous to even make happen - but hey, Ronster tends to rub off on you after awhile.

Best regards.

I find your lack of faith…disturbing

Author
Time
 (Edited)

That actually sounds properly awesome Invar! I wonder if it could be even better to have him immediately grab his lightsaber, igniting it as he starts lifting it up from the belt holder and cutting at an upwards angle straight through the right hand guard’s body (as if drawing a sword straight into an upwards slash) who crumples to the floor all the while force choking the other one on the left side, slowly lifting him up as you hear his throat starting to get crushed shut only to utter in the nick of time “by the…Emperor’s comma…nd…” at which point Vader releases him and says “I shall await his convenience” as the guard still alive falls against the railing, trying to recover.

You could have the saber blade tip arc shallowly through part of the elevator tube behind as well, leaving a short visible melt scar there in the direction of his slash with softly glowing edges, becoming visible as the guard crumples to the ground.

I imagine this all happening from a viewpoint behind Vader with his capped back to us so you don’t actually see him grabbing his saber, instead just sensing some sudden slight movement, hearing it ignite and seeing the sudden red glow on the surrounding environment as he then savagely slashes up through the right guard and we see his left hand go out to the left guard to start choking him. Maybe then cut to a side shot of the guard’s red helmeted head against the wall of the elevator tube in the leftmost foreground of the frame with Vader’s outstretch hand visible nearby which leads your eye back to Vader himself in the rightmost background, staring on as he choke’s his victim and then we hear the guard’s line that it’s the Emperor’s command and the guard suddenly drops out of sight as Vader lets go, sheathing his saber and turning away as he intones to wait on the Emperor’s convenience.

Hmm…that was quite fun theorising all of that 😛

That would be so awesome just to inject some menace and power back into his character in this movie and it elevates the achievement of Luke being able to reason with him at all and eventually turn him against the Emperor and back to the light. That even as recent as earlier in the same movie, Vader was still mercilessly killing people for as little as disappointing him or getting in his way.

Val