ImperialFighter said:
15. And as far as this shot of the approaching TIEs....well, they could be coming from anywhere that's in a generally opposite direction to where the Falcon approached Luke.
Here's the start of it....
16. And here's the middle of it....
17. And here's the end of it....
Although the shot above is not a static shot of the underside in this instance, the long 'stem' can still be easily imagined to be offscreen somewhere due to the huge area that makes up the size of the City's underside. Like the previous shots, this one only covers a small portion of it surface, and so can tie in with that notion without any problems....
18. And the same goes for this next shot too. The Falcon only begins to move off from it's 'hovering' position at this point, after saving Luke, and seeing the approaching TIEs. It begins to veer to the right, and the long 'stem' that is presumed to be offscreen on the left of the Falcon would remain unseen. Here's the start of the shot....
19. And here's the end of it....
20. So the Falcon continues to turn around to the right, and we still only see a fraction of the overall surface of underneath the City....so the 'stem' would still be somewhere offscreen on the left of the frame. Here's the start of the shot....
21. And here's the end of it....
And although there is some 'camera-movement' during this shot above, it only moves to the right as well as pulling back slightly....so the long 'stem' on the left of the frame would still remain offscreen.
22. Our final look at 'Cloud City' is where the Falcon is now roughly heading back the way it came, to escape the on-coming TIEs seen in shots 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19. Now we can see the 'stem' again.... :)
So if Adywan doesn't do anything to the existing City underside angles, then they already work for me anyway, I'm glad to say.
You'd need to watch the scene in motion, but I reckon it would be neat to see a hint of the TIEs somewhere behind the Falcon in shots 20 and 21 too, as it seems that they have caught up too suddenly in the shots that come afterwards.
This was my take on it, that I described in my recent long post on page 664 savmagoett - http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-AVAILABLE-NOW/post/403952/#TopicPost403952
Although as far as *where exactly* any additional chasing TIEs should be positioned in the Falcon shot I've shown in shots 20 and 21....well, that's turned out not to be as straightforward as I thought it might be.... However, having really studied a few shots before and after it, I've come to a conclusion. Need to organise a couple of screenshots for this first, but I'll get to it.
Good call on the Falcon being the wrong distance from Luke though, which you just beat me to last night. Glad to see that adywan is already going to fix that too. :)
Another thing that I noticed in those shots of Luke getting rescued by the Falcon was this -
There are initially a few static matte shots identical to this one below (all shown in my page 664 post), where Luke is on the left of the frame, and the angle of the underside and the positions of the 'vanes' are exactly the same....
....until we eventually come to this one below, where Luke is more to the right of the frame, even though the rest of the matte is still identical. Also note that there are 2 lights constantly on, close to his position in them all....
....but they disappear during the 'hovering Falcon' shot that comes soon after....
....then re-appear in this differently angled matte that comes shortly afterwards....
....which makes it seem like these 2 lights are missing from the 'hovering Falcon' shot....or so I thought....
....because if you compare the 'hovering Falcon' shot to the others closely, it seems that the positions of the various 'vanes' around Luke in it are in totally different places in relation to him, compared to all the other mattes.... No biggie, as we cut away to cockpit shots in-between all these anyway, which makes things less noticeable. Just sayin'.
There's a couple of relevant things here concerning vaderios recent 'underside' mock-ups, that I'd like to go into too, shortly. But again, I'll need to organise screenshots.
