Me biggest bug bear is with the scale of the Kenner AT-AT. Its head is massive! And how do you get a clean fly through with the snowspeeder through the legs of that thing. I cant move on until i see a playset thats big enough ;-)

Actually that might be a project.

Thats great stuff savmagoett BTW.

THX :)

I'm working on the next one, huge work on that one!

I hope you'll like it guys ;)

Fantastic tech drawings savmagoett!!

J

THX guys, it's nice to know my work is appreciated :D

Now I'm even more exited by the next one ;)

It's been a while since I've fed this tread with some stuff so here's a little WIP of the ship I'm currently working on, I suppose I don't need to tell you what ship this is :)

and another WIP:

these are attempts to make faithful representations with blueprint accuracy of the various falcon sets as they where built by ILM crew.
There was no ring corridor section in this set, but I put it anyway, for reference.

I know some of you will find the conical aspect surprising and illogical (it's ok, I thought that too at first) but I have evidence that leads to that conclusion, I'll post them and explain everything in the big (huge) Falcon analysis post…

So, meanwhile, what do think guys?

REM: the scale here is not the same as the previous post.

This is going to be a good one!

Grrrrrrrreat!

All these details! A good reference for everyone here!

Cant wait to see more of it :D

-Angel

At the request of Vaderios, here's a little analysis of Cloud City proportions.

The main establishing shots are those:

(THX to Vaderios for the HD screengrabs : )

The two shapes are similar but not quite the same.

The night one is broader (and from an almost straight camera angle).
The day one is narrower (and from a little lower camera angle).

I have a theory about that difference of width:
I think it's possible that the ILM guys, wanting to portray an enormous floating city, can have given a fish eye kind of effect to the mattes.
Such effect can shorten the broadest part of a wide horizontal shape, as the horizontal ends are further away from the camera, they are more affected by perspective than the vertical ends. And thus give the false impression the shape is narrower than it really is. (hope I'm making myself understandable?)
Cloud City saucer portion shape, for instance, is almost 4 times wider than it's height, so such an effect could occur…

So, my guess would be that the night matte was to portray a farther view of Cloud City while the day matte was designed to portray a closer view. But unfortunately, in the movie, the two views are used both in far range and close range, which messes things up a little. For instance, in the two screens above, the night matte is bigger but broader and the day matte smaller but narrower, it should be the opposite… (please tell me if this makes any sense to you guys :/ )

Another important shot is this one:

(This picture of the matte was missing a portion, so I completed it with screengrab from the movie)

In this close-up view the shape is even narrower. Again, as said above, perspective can explain the difference…
REM: I think the blueprint from "the essential guide to vehicles and vessels" book was drawn using this matte…

So, as the night matte seems to be the farther view of the city, we can assume perspective deformation is to a minimum. I choose to take that matte as a reference for my blueprint (however I used the close-up matte's better definition to draw the buildings portion, and a distant view (the Falcon arrival) for the end of the pylon):

Here's a comparison between the shots taking the height as reference, with my blueprint outlined in red:

About that:

vaderios said:
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Also see some schematics about the two cloud cities

-Angel

vaderios said:

Ripplin said:

Why did they make Cloud City so different for the game? Just for aesthetics' sake?

This is an interesting pov Ripplin how a retro design can be modernized to our days.. meaning that the bulky one can be more slick and delicate. Plus the game version has the super structure be enormous compare the original one. just see how small are the buildings in the TFU one ;)
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Actually Angel I think the picture you used for your mockups was actually an anamorphosed image to be used by the game engine which would wrap the picture around the 3D set…
As you can see the final Cloud City in the game is almost exactly the same as TESB:

About the superstructure being bigger than the movie version, I thing it may be just an impression, the POV si lower and closer here so the buildings portion is more affected by perspective and so smaller and less visible… So I think the slicker Cloud City was not intentional, but I agreed, it's kinda neat ;)

Well, here it is, tell me what you think…

(I'll talk about the size of that thing in another post, this one is big enough :p

Hi there everyone : )

just a little something I wanted to share as I haven't really showed what exactly my work on "star wars scales" is all about.

Beyond the obvious pleasure of rethinking and redrawing the visual elements of Star Wars, the idea is to give a alternate point of view about the scale of some ships, buildings and other stuff in star wars, via a series of retro style and elegant wallpaper (right-click: view image, to see full size):

Tell me what you think…

Always awesome.

Agreed.  I don't really care about the specifics of scale, but those images are very cool.

savmagoett, your schematics remind me of the BBC's Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.  Awesome.

It has a pylon yes.

I think it has red circular lights but indeed its a pylon.

-Angel

Here is my source for the Bespin platform:

It is from the special edition I think, you don't see the bottom of it in the OT, if I remember correctly…

The lights seems rectangle to me, have you another reference Angel?

The Falcon Platform 327 features circular lights though…

Hi there, I've been away for a while, busy with real life stuff, but since the release of Ady's new ESB-R trailer my excitement about Star Wars stuff is up again, so I'm back to work on this god-damn Falcon.

In the mean time here is an analysis of the Rebel Transport I made for Ady a while ago. I wanted to post this after the falcon analysis was completed but since it's taking forever I though: what the hell…

Initial remarks:

In order to analyze a ship in Star Wars I always compare it to the elements next to it in it's various appearances in the movies and possibly some other sources.
The size of the average human figure I placed in all the images is 1.80 m.
The official length of the Rebel Transport is 90 m, the X-Wing 12.5 m, the Y-Wing 16 m, the Blockade Runner 150 m, the Falcon 26.7 m and the Medical Frigate 300 m.
The X-Wing and the Y-Wing sizes are ok, and I think I made a pretty good case for the 150 m Blockade Runner here. The medical frigate is to be analyzed and the Falcon is very much disputed.
Here is my blueprint based on the screenshot beneath but also various references from the movies and the model:

At first sight this matte below seems to be the best way to know the size of the ship because of the presence of an actor next to it, but further analysis shows otherwise…

Before measuring it we have to find out if the ship is indeed aligned with the actor, like it looks like when we consider it's shadow. The problem is the landing gear is masked by a box, luckily the far ship behind has a visible landing gear, so we can pick that one to do the measurement.
One thing to notice is that the landing gear in this matte is rather different from the one visible on the model (even if we consider the model one to be retracted), and places the ship higher from the ground than my first screenshot. Another strange thing is that the other far ship on the right side has the proper model landing gear and doesn't touch the ground. It also lacks the cockpit/pod.
With this different landing gear we can tell the ship is indeed at the same alignment as the actor, which imply the ship is at scale with the actor.
So the ship here is 26 m. A rather curious size considering the pod at the summit screams "cockpit"! Not to mention it would actually be smaller than the Falcon set!! Seem very wrong to me…

Here is the official length of the ship, 90 m is better than 26 m but seems a little small compare to the X-Wing and to fit a pilot in the cockpit:

Here are several concept sketches that give an approximated length of 120 m:

Note: given the quite different proportions of this concept version of the ship I adapted the landing gear to have a better comparison.

(the red circles here are indicating the part to consider for scale reference)

120 m is quite larger than the official 90 m length but it works better in my opinion with what we feel elsewhere in the movie (not to mention the pilot would feel much more comfy):

This one below is not exactly from the movie, it comes from Chronicle book, but it seems consistent with the movie:

In this shot from ROJ the Falcon and 3 X-Wings are maneuvering quite close to the the Rebel transport, it is reasonable to think the Rebel transport appear a little smaller here. So, whatever is one's position about what the size of the Falcon is or should be (26,7m or more), the Rebel transport here is at least 120 m:

Here are some shots where the 120 m Rebel Transport works very well with the other ships in their official size:

Note: I could never found an accurate blueprint of the medical frigate, I guess it never existed, ILM guys must have build it from scratch using Nilo Rodis-Jamero's concept sketches. All the blueprints attempts I could find in Star Wars literature where very far from the real thing, as a matter of fact this ship is one of the hardest to grasp and less documented ship in the trilogy. So I reconstituted one myself using screencaps and a lot of pictures of the model taken at an exhibition, I spend a lot of time and dedication to it and I'm quite proud of the result : )

You may want to check all these comparisons in motion to better feel the size of all those ships…

So what do you think?

savmagoett said:

Hi there?

I'm trying to figure out how to answer this.

Irregardless, welcome back!