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Well, based on the film, we've seen that when you enter the meditation chamber, the pod is directly in front of you, but the ramp does not face the doorway. If the doorway is on the Eastern wall, then the access ramp to Vader's pod faces the south. That's why Piett walks around the pod to talk to Vader. When Vader uses the viewscreen to strangle Ozzle, he spins his chair 180 degrees, placing the viewscreen on the north wall. The area where the Emperor's hologram appears can only be south of the pod.

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I don't know why you guys keep calling it an 8, when it's obviously a snowman.

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Ady, I can send you russian subtitles for ESB:R, if you can use them somehow...

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muddyknees2000 said:

Ady...noticed on the ESB:R facebook page that you were contemplating moving release to the end of 2011...did you ever make a decision on that?

yes, i thinks a more realistic goal really. Plus i really do now want to see what's on the Blu-Rays just in case there is anything i could use

 sounds like a good plan to me.

I've got another quick question concerning cloud city......if you dont mind. Theres an establishing shot of leia up in a tower through a window.....this is the scene where she indicates she's worried about c3po.....in the establishing shot of the scene, pre SE, there used to be a pod car lifting off from a landing platform, and its engine slowly came on and got brighter before it flies off.......and in the SE, they've actually added another shot of the pod lifting off from the platform, but its engine is already on, and THEN they cut to the original shot (or a new one made to look like the old), a few seconds past its original start, meaning that the engine no longer comes on, its just on. It was a tiny detail, but I always liked it......are you restoring little things like that, or no?

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yes and no.....it WOULD be a nice touch....but I also miss the old static shot of it lifting off the platform. Only noticed it when I was watching "Building Empire" last night

Heres the shot....go to 1:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHwBJuwpD6E&feature=related

EDIT: Actually, just rewatched it again and it makes even less sense than before. Quite obviously they've cut the begining of the shot, the part where the engine is firing up....but they've left in a couple seconds of it so you do see the tail end of the fade on (which really isn't enough in my opinion), but in the totally new SE shot just previous to it, the engine is already on, and is not fading on. So another hack job (albeit on a very tiny detail, but a hack job nonetheless)

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Okay, I've stuck all this together into a single post now so that's it's easy to scroll up and down to compare how things look at a glance.  Some of the proportions may not be perfect, but I reckon the general look of asterisk8's rough layout makes sense of things pretty well -

 

Due to the deceiving angles that the 'meditation chamber' and 'holographic' scenes were filmed at in certain shots (especially as seen in the large shot 16 below), I was never really sure if there was a reasonably plausible way of tying the set(s?) together logically as a single room, to make better sense of what's currently seen onscreen.

But as I mentioned yesterday, I'm now fully onboard with the notion that the room can indeed be 'imagined' to be an almost '8'-shaped area which is 'narrower' in the middle, and comprised of 2 roughly circular areas.  So here's a selection of some of the relevant shots which should help to remind everyone how things currently look, and which reasonably back up this '8'-shaped solution, if you choose to look at it this way.  Which I personally will, from hereonin, so thanks for that guys!  :)

1.  Let's start with the scene where Piett enters the area to glimpse the back of Vader's scarred head.  The doorway seems to be to the 'side' of the 'meditation chamber' in this view, and happens to be just out of shot in other certain shots of the 'chamber'.  The doorway section gives the impression that this side of the room may not be as 'circular' as the rest of the wall that surrounds the 'chamber', and that this area may not necessarily be symmetrical.  Alternatively, it could be 'imagined' that there may even be another , matching doorway on the opposite side (which we just don't see in any of the shots), and that the area here is perhaps symmetrical after all.  I prefer to look on it as just having a single entrance though.  It doesn't matter at the end of the day, as this half of the '8' shape is still roughly 'circular' overall, whichever way you look at it...

2.  ...Piett then has to turn to his left to walk around to the 'front' of the 'chamber'...and seems to take a step up onto what I reckon is the bottom step of the 'chamber' prop, before he eventually stops.  So the floor remains level throughout the imaginary '8'-shaped area...  (see shot 15 below for a decent look at the 'chamber's' overall base shape)...

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5.  ...and at this point he is just about fully facing the 'front' of the 'chamber'...  I'm okay 'imagining' that the background here represents a 'distant' portion of the back of the 'other' circular space where the 'hologram' appears.  (also see the Veer's 'close-up' in shot 11 below too, for another example)  Just a thought adywan, but although the background wall detail in these particular static 'close-ups' of Piett and Veers is already slightly 'out of focus' to begin with...perhaps adding slightly more of a 'blur' to them could further enhance this notion of it being the distant 'hologram' wall area even more?...  I'm content will things well enough here, if not though...

6.  ...and there's a 'direct onwards' view of the 'chamber'...and the 'viewscreen' is inset into the rounded wall directly behind it...

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8.  ...the edge of the 'viewscreen' can be seen here in this particular shot of Vader looking at Piett...

9.  ...and then there's another 'direct onwards' look at the 'chamber', which again doesn't reveal too much of the set's surrounding wall shape, so nothing is contradicted in this particular overall 'circular' area where the door positioning seen earlier is concerned...

 

Okay, here is the scene from earlier in the movie where Veers visited Vader -

10.  ...again, we see a 'direct onwards' view of the 'chamber', with the 'viewscreen' behind it...with just a hint of the surrounding overall 'circular' backdrop revealed...  And like Piett eventually does, Veers is standing somewhere at the 'front' of the 'chamber'... 

11.  ...and again, I'm okay with 'imagining' this backdrop to be part of the 'holographic' circular area in the 'distance' in front of the 'chamber'...

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14.  ...and Vader's centrally-located chair swivels around, as he turns to look at the 'viewscreen' that's on the wall that's directly behind the 'front' of the 'chamber' from this view..

 

And just for comparison's sake again -

15.  ...here's the shot of Vader when he approaches the smaller, circular platform that's positioned at the 'front' of the 'chamber'...and it's still easy to imagine that the 'doorway' is offscreen on the right of this shot, to tie-in with the Piett shots at the top...

16.  ...and here's the 'side onwards' shot again too, to confirm that it can just about be 'imagined' as being another circular area, and the 'other' half of the '8'-shaped room...

adywan, I read your answer about the darkness of the shot here, and that's fair enough.  However, if you *were* to add a 'hint' of the 'chamber's' lower step into the bottom left of the frame here, perhaps any white/grey 'shiny reflection' that's similar to the one on the smaller platform would make it stand out enough to be noticed?

 

Okay, that's my lot for this year folks, so I'd just like to take the opportunity to wish Jay and all the members of O.T.com a very happy New Year!  And I hope all goes well on the family front for you adywan, in the coming days.  The edit will be ready when it's ready, and definately be worth whatever the wait.  'SLANGE!' (raises glass)

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Happy New Year everyone, and hello 2011!

Just to say that I've now added a few things to last night's post, in case you've already read it.

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So indeed the officers are like stepping on the circular thing or next to it when they inform vader right?(probably next to it because they both are from the right side of it)

So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor.

Flawless logic :P

Or it might be at the end the supposed deleted scene of ROTJ would be the previous shot of vader walks out of the chamber.... who knows

 

Speaking of chambers and doors.

Ady did you considered the idea of making the door leading to vader be longer and more isolate rather is next to a populate hall?

(dont mind the reflection its an old mockup:)

 

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About the "meditation and hologram room" controversy:

First of all, we have to know that "both" rooms were the same studio 5 set at Elstree. It's not hard to realise that half of the room was the meditation chamber and the other half the hologram room, because in both scenes we only see half of the set each time (meditation room has the screen and the door, and hologram room has the pylons and the tubes; of course, they moved in and out Vader's chamber as required).

Another thing is where the officers stand (which is not at 6 from the screen, but about 5) and where they were really shot for close-ups. Below you can see how Veers' close-up shot is in fact taken between the tubes on the right of the screen and the left-hand side door pylon (I'll come to this in my next post).

NOTE: green and red mark coincident areas

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Now, on with the hologram room.

Firs thing I've checked is that the two main shots of that room (Vader kneeling before Palpatine, and the Emperor facing front) show the same portion of the set, "wisely" done to make us think the hologram room is another different room next to the meditation room. But in fact we are only seeing half of the set.

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vaderios said:

So indeed the officers are like stepping on the circular thing or next to it when they inform vader right?(probably next to it because they both are from the right side of it)

response -  to clarify, I reckon that Piett steps up onto the bottom step of the 'chamber's' base, and then is ever so slightly unsteady as he walks a couple of steps around it, due to the narrowness of the bottom step he's now on, and not looking down at. (I've rewatched the scene a few times now, and am reasonably sure this was the case...and if you watch where Vader descends the steps towards the 'hologram' area, you can get an idea of how the step is not very wide in relation to him)  As far as Veers is concerned, it's difficult to tell if he's standing on the bottom step of the 'chamber' or the floor.  However, I'm fairly convinced that neither of the actors stepped onto the smaller, circular prop during their scenes.

 

 

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So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor.

Flawless logic :P

Or it might be at the end the supposed deleted scene of ROTJ would be the previous shot of vader walks out of the chamber... who knows

response -  perhaps he was taking a quick 'toilet break' in there, before he addressed the Emperor?  Seriously, this is something else that I've been meaning to comment on, so I'm glad you brought it up.  It's no biggie at the end of the day, but I do have some thoughts on it that might interest you, and I'll sort out the relevant screenshots I need when I have time to go into it soon.

 

 

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Ady did you considered the idea of making the door leading to vader be longer and more isolate rather is next to a populate hall?

responseI'm very curious to know if adywan's going to radically change this shot of Piett's entrance too...due to the fact that I reckon it ties in nicely with the steps we see Vader descending in a different shot, which are just around the corner from the 'control room' next to the 'bridge'...which I equally went into at length last year.  Coincidentally, I was actually going to mention this very shot of Piett's entrance too, when I get around to my thoughts on the Vader/'chamber' shot mentioned above...as there's something about it that may be relevant to what I'm going to suggest about that Vader/'chamber' shot.   :)

 

euroherbal, those were some interesting comparisons.  I hadn't even noticed this before, so it was a new one to me. :)  Personally, I can live with the same exact portion of the set being seen in both of the Emperor's 'hologram' views you showed, as the 'pylons and tubes' are a random mix of lengths and shapes, and managed to *seem* to look different to me in each shot...due to the fact that the shots are filmed from different camera angles.  Thankfully, due to that change of camera angle, and the random detailing of the wall set, I reckon the backdrop will continue to *seem* to be different between the 2 shots...without distracting me.  And I'm still happy enough to *believe* that the whole room could be a sort of '8' shape, rather than a big single circle or oval shape...as the wall seen in the 'side onwards' shot of the 'hologram' just doesn't look like it's able to convincingly wrap around the offscreen 'chamber' behind Vader in one continuous circle or oval, unfortunately.  Of course, it was never built properly to do so, it turns out...so this '8' thing works better for me overall.

And if you scroll back up to my large shot of the 'side onwards' view of the 'hologram', you'll see another good example of how the difference in colours between the SE version and the 'original' version is not even funny anymore...

As well as all that, I'd just like to remind everyone that you've still got about a month left to get a link to the marvellous, full 'Vader/Emperor' scene, if you can spare a little to donate towards the cause for adywan's various still-much-needed materials etc., at this point in time (click on the bottom link of adywan's 'signature' for details)

Just a thought, but I'm curious to know what's the most anticipated fix/addition or whole scene that people here are looking forward to seeing eventually.  Is it say, the new colour-correction overall?...or the new Wampa?...or finding out if adywan was just kidding about not making the AT-AT laserbolts green, or not?...  It's a tough choice to pick just one I reckon, but I'm going to choose the eventual 'Falcon/TIEs chase through the asteroid canyon' as being my most anticipated fix, as it was always the one truly disappointing effects scene in the movie for me, whenever I rewatched the movie over the years.  Not the way it was composed, but the really shoddy execution of it compared to the shots that came before and after it.  It's great to know it's getting a complete overhaul.  :)

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ImperialFighter said:

Just a thought, but I'm curious to know what's the most anticipated fix/addition or whole scene that people here are looking forward to seeing eventually.

I'm curious to see how the Luke/Vader duel turns out. The small clip in the trailer really amazed me, so I can't wait to see what magic has been done there...

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I'm curious to see both the asteroid chase and the confrontation on the cave in Dagobah (I've always loved this scene).

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euroherbal said:

Ady is putting all his major efforts on the new wampa scene, so I'd love to see a glimpse of that coming next.

Same here. Very interested in the "DYI" creative side of things, and how those will turn out.

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Hey Ady, I'm very sorry to hear about your health, feel better! I really hope none of ESB:R was lost when your motherboard was fried. :(

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Does anyone else find it slightly sycophantic of people that Ady can't so much as sniff on Facebook without there being a newsflash on the forums about it straight after? :-p

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brash_stryker said:

Does anyone else find it slightly sycophantic of people that Ady can't so much as sniff on Facebook without there being a newsflash on the forums about it straight after? :-p

Maybe a bit, but c'mon, it's nice!

As for what I'm most looking forward to, it would have to be the part between the opening crawl and the end credits. Can't wait to see what Ady's done there.

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ray_afraid said:

As for what I'm most looking forward to, it would have to be the part between the opening crawl and the end credits. Can't wait to see what Ady's done there.

 I'm sure that would be most people's most anticipated bit, lol.

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vaderios said:

So that leads why vader went from his chamber to the spot and didnt came directly from the door . Its like entered the door, entered the chamber, came out from the chamber to push the big button on the floor.

 

Okay vaderios, here's the stuff I wanted to bring up about the Vader/'chamber' shot...so just to recap, here's how it currently fits into the flow of the movie -

Vader quickly rounds the corner at the end of the 'control room' section that's just beyond the 'bridge'...

...then we immediately cut to the Executor moving out of the asteroid field...

...then we immediately cut to Vader descending the steps of his 'meditation chamber', as he walks towards the smaller, circular prop...

...then we immediately cut to the Emperor's 'hologram' appearing...

 

Some thoughts on all this -

Firstly, I've always preferred to think of the entrance to the 'meditation chamber'/'hologram' area as being *just around the corner* from the 'control room'...so that Vader is always close to the the 'action' and 'running' of the 'bridge' when he's aboard.  And these particular shots below always give me that impression, as they seem to work reasonably well with this notion -

Here's the end section of the 'control room'...

...and here's a different view of it later in the movie, where we see Vader go down some steps just around the corner of the same set...

...and this earlier shot of Piett below shows how the steps outside the guarded entrance could be regarded as being the ones that Vader goes down in the shot above...  (and Veers is picked up off the floor by 2 guards near the area shown in the shot above, which ties in the guarded door shot shown below, too)... 

Unfortunately, I don't have the 'behind-the-scenes' pic of the the outside of this 'guarded doorway', that was posted here a while back...as it gave a good idea of the distance down that the doorway is positioned away from the start of the stairs -  my point being that I've always been fine with 'imagining' that the entrance to the 'meditation chamber' is therefore situated somewhere immediately behind where Vader is standing here, in this shot below...as the 'chamber's surrounding room dimensions could plausibly fit down there just fine, behind and below this section of the set...

...and another reason why I've always liked the notion of Vader's 'meditation chamber' being situated *near-at-hand* to the main action of the 'bridge' and 'control room', rather than much further away somewhere...is that when we cut away from the shot of him quickly turning the corner...and then transition to the shot of the Executor moving out of the asteroid field for a few seconds afterwards...it just *seems* when watching the movie, that there's been just enough time for him to have briskly gone down the steps around the corner and entered the area where the 'chamber' is, in 'real-time'...by the time we cut back to him... 

However, I acknowledge that a different thing that can be 'imagined', is to look on the cut to the Vader/'chamber' shot as being a sort of *jump-ahead-in-time* moment...which occurs some unknown time after we've seen the shot of the Executor move out of the asteriod field...giving the impression that Vader walked further away from the 'bridge' to reach his 'chamber'/'holograph' room...  Not that I prefer this alternative myself, although it can work too I reckon.  Having said that, the current view seen outside of the 'chamber' doorway during Piett's entrance doesn't necessarily need to be altered, for anyone that wants to 'imagine' that the room is located further away from the 'bridge' after all...

But the MAIN thing I want to bring up here is this:  as you mentioned vaderios, the way the shot is currently filmed gives the impression that Vader is coming down from the direction of the 'chamber' itself, for some unknown reason, before he addresses the Emperor...  It's something that kinda makes my preferred way of 'imagining' this overall sequence playing out in 'real-time', a bit off...as the Executor shot would have needed to go on just a little longer to allow plenty of time for it to work better...because Vader looks as if he *did something* (?) inside the 'chamber' first, and would have needed just a little more time to do so, in 'real-time' onscreen.  This doesn't make me want to change the way I prefer to 'imagine' the 'close' position of the 'chamber' in the general layout, though...but I accept that the alternative idea that it's a little *jump-ahead-in-time* moment due to the 'chamber' being somewhere further away...probably works better to allow for the extra time needed for Vader to go into the 'chamber' and come out again, that the existing shot implies...

...which is why I'd have liked it to have been cut slightly differently in the first place...to resemble something more like the way I've shown below.  Now I know it's sacrelige to suggest removing even one single frame of ESB, lol...but in this case it would have certainly helped with putting Vader into a more likely position in the 'chamber' surroundings, to match my preferred 'real-time' layout...by the time we cut back to him after the Executor shot! -

Vader quickly rounds the corner of the 'control room' section as normal...

...then we cut to the Executor as normal...

...but we now cut to show Vader only *just about* to step onto the smaller, circular prop...rather than having him descend from up on the 'chamber' prop first...so that it instead *seems* like he walked directly over to it, once he entered the 'chamber's surroundings...  (there would be a brief, minimal loss of 'music score' at this point, of course, that would need to be smoothed to fit)...

...we then cut to the Emperor's 'hologram' appearing as normal...

On the other hand, it's a reasonably iconic shot of Vader I guess (aren't they all?), and gives a good angle of the 'chamber' prop...so I can understand if adywan and others would hate it to be tampered with.  Thing is, I always 'imagined' that the 'holograph' transmission only came on once the smaller, circular prop was 'activated' by Vader stepping/kneeling on it...although the full Vader/'chamber' shot gives the *impression* that Vader did something else in the 'chamber' first, before descending... 

Did he have to 'activate' the smaller, circular prop from the 'chamber' itself first , before it would work?  Or might he have had to give some 'command' or other to someone on his 'viewscreen', first, before switching it off again?  I'm interested to hear what anyone else thinks Vader might have been plausibly doing, before addressing the Emperor...that makes sense in the context of how this existing shot was filmed...

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ray_afraid said:
As for what I'm most looking forward to, it would have to be the part between the opening crawl and the end credits. Can't wait to see what Ady's done there.
I'm sure that would be most people's most anticipated bit, lol.
Not me! My favorite part is when the EPISODE V starts at the original music cue! ;-)

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ImperialFighter said:


ray_afraid said:
As for what I'm most looking forward to, it would have to be the part between the opening crawl and the end credits. Can't wait to see what Ady's done there.
I'm sure that would be most people's most anticipated bit, lol.
Not me! My favorite part is when the EPISODE V starts at the original music cue! ;-)

 

Does the title on Empire not appear at the correct cue? I know it had to be changed for ANH because the title was added years later, but why would it be off for ESB? Very interesting...

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