GoodMusician said:
And on a side note, I would argue that Episode I was a masterpiece... minus a few small portions... I think the film is near perfect how it is.
i do prefer ep1 in some ways to 2 and 3 for its use of real sets, it does feel more like a star wars film in that way.
HotRod said:
Luke Vader said:Octorox said:
Give the head of Luke seen in Vader's mask on Dagobah sith eyes. I think that could really enhance this scene
Great idea!!! And do the same in ROTJ when Luke is about to kill Vader then make them return to normal when he realizes what he's about to become.
And no...Not a good idea at all!!!
An interesting idea, I'll give you that, but I agree 101% with HotRod. The "sith eyes" thing is just a cheesy thing that many, many filmmakers have used as a way of saying "ok, people, this guy is really bad/possessed." It's a total cliché and I just roll my eyes everytime I see it. This would be another instance of doing something just because he can, which is not the way to think.
HotRod said:
Where can one obtain a copy of this edit?
I received mine from Reave via this thread. However, I'd be happy to send you a copy. Let me pm you.
I'm not so sure on the sith eyes for luke. Luke in the cave, maybe. But when you think about the cave, its purpose is to show Luke what he could become. If his face is drastically different i.e glowing creepy eyes, then it might not have the same humanizing effect.
I think we've talked about the "sith eyes" before and decided it was a bad idea. I think that if Sith get crazy eyes when they do evil things, why don't Jedi get some kind of physical representation of their goodness if they do something good, like help an old lady across the street?
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Pretty funny 0five....you crazy "Revisionist"....Imagine a Jedi's eyes while helping a cat out of a tree.....insane happy Jedi eyes....
Luke Vader said:
Great idea!!! And do the same in ROTJ when Luke is about to kill Vader then make them return to normal when he realizes what he's about to become.
No! Just no!
Ripplin said:
HotRod said:
Luke Vader said:Octorox said:
Give the head of Luke seen in Vader's mask on Dagobah sith eyes. I think that could really enhance this scene
Great idea!!! And do the same in ROTJ when Luke is about to kill Vader then make them return to normal when he realizes what he's about to become.
And no...Not a good idea at all!!!
An interesting idea, I'll give you that, but I agree 101% with HotRod. The "sith eyes" thing is just a cheesy thing that many, many filmmakers have used as a way of saying "ok, people, this guy is really bad/possessed." It's a total cliché and I just roll my eyes everytime I see it. This would be another instance of doing something just because he can, which is not the way to think.
I didn't want it in ROTJ because Luke actually never turns to the Dark side, just in the cave. Also, I believe film is a visual medium and as much should be told as possible through visual means If you imply everything you might as well write a book.
The sith eyes thing is dumb. It takes away from the main emotional point that whats inside Vader could also be what's inside Luke. You don't need technical "markers" like red eyes, its much more sophisticated to just have Luke's face in the Vader mask. Besides, its not any kind of rule, Dooku didn't even have Sith eyes.
negative1 said:
by the way, if you can't tell, i'm a purist, i prefer the 77 star wars, and the 81 ep V, and 83 ep VI, but i don't mind watching the SE versions ('from time to time'), but i don't consider them as a replacement.............more like a fan edit..
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The 1981 version of ESB? I didn't know there was an '81 version different than the '80 version. What are the changes?
I myself don't mind the Star Wars re-release with "A New Hope" added.
As for Sith eyes, they're not needed. The story is told just fine without them.
Didn't see this one in the suggestion terminal thread...
On Hoth, when the speeders are in the hangar starting to take off, a forklift was used to move them forward and up and down. Any way to re-composite/re-animate them so that they start to take off a little more natural, not so linear?
My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.
JohnGreenArt said:
negative1 said:
by the way, if you can't tell, i'm a purist, i prefer the 77 star wars, and the 81 ep V, and 83 ep VI, but i don't mind watching the SE versions ('from time to time'), but i don't consider them as a replacement.............more like a fan edit..
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The 1981 version of ESB? I didn't know there was an '81 version different than the '80 version. What are the changes?
I myself don't mind the Star Wars re-release with "A New Hope" added.
As for Sith eyes, they're not needed. The story is told just fine without them.
oops, thats what happens when you get old, you forget.................maybe i did see it in the summer of 1980?
or was it still in the theaters a year later??????? no, there wasn't any differences............however, i did see
the 70mm version, not that i can remember the differences...i've only seen it 1 time in the theater, and the SE once,
and the GOUT version about 4 or 5 times since then..............
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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]
Didn't see this one in the suggestion terminal thread...
On Hoth, when the speeders are in the hangar starting to take off, a forklift was used to move them forward and up and down. Any way to re-composite/re-animate them so that they start to take off a little more natural, not so linear?
My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.
Ziz said:
Didn't see this one in the suggestion terminal thread...
On Hoth, when the speeders are in the hangar starting to take off, a forklift was used to move them forward and up and down. Any way to re-composite/re-animate them so that they start to take off a little more natural, not so linear?
There is also a pair of cables that look to be attached to one of the snow speeders takeing off, looks like the cables are beeing pulled as the speeder moves foward.
JohnGreenArt said:
negative1 said:
by the way, if you can't tell, i'm a purist, i prefer the 77 star wars, and the 81 ep V, and 83 ep VI, but i don't mind watching the SE versions ('from time to time'), but i don't consider them as a replacement.............more like a fan edit..
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The 1981 version of ESB? I didn't know there was an '81 version different than the '80 version. What are the changes?
I myself don't mind the Star Wars re-release with "A New Hope" added.
As for Sith eyes, they're not needed. The story is told just fine without them.
Well was the planet under the Death Star needed? Was the new death star reveal and battle of the heroes along with Obi and Vader's fight needed? Where the million news Ties and fighters in the yavin battle needed? Not really. My point is that Sith eyes look cool, and this would be the perfect place to put them in. I don't mean to whiny or anything but really only Ady can decide what's needed and what's not.
benefits of Sith eyes-
They look cool
They communicate the purpose of the scene more clearly, especially to younger viewers (showing what Luke could become if he chooses the wrong path)
They create another visual link to the PT without ruining the integrity of OT
Siliconmaster482 said:Was the avi file...only one I found a torrent of (grr, hanging preposition)... Where can I find the iso? It was just too obvious that it was often audio in reverse. And recognizing what sounded like spanish and maybe german tracks mixed in...Jor Tallen said:
I just watched magnoliafan's edit of Episode I. He did an awesome job making a coherent story line, while removing the bulk of unnecessary silliness. Only complaint is that the new subtitles were overly crude at times and alien voices were a bit awkward. He made Jar Jar genuinely funny at times, which was impressive. I look forward to seeing what you can do, adywan. I think "Lucas Apologists" would be the correct term for those who try to justify anything GL does...
Did you watch the avi file or the DVD? The dvd copy has 4 sets of subtitles- the newest version (ADigitalMan '04) is much more refined and less crude- i.e. no Jar Jar swears. :P I can agree with you on the alien voices though. Personally, I got used to it within 20 minutes or so.
And @ Stewie, I'm interested to see what you're doing to the prequels. Can't wait to see the finished products.
Octorox said:
JohnGreenArt said:
negative1 said:
by the way, if you can't tell, i'm a purist, i prefer the 77 star wars, and the 81 ep V, and 83 ep VI, but i don't mind watching the SE versions ('from time to time'), but i don't consider them as a replacement.............more like a fan edit..
later
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The 1981 version of ESB? I didn't know there was an '81 version different than the '80 version. What are the changes?
I myself don't mind the Star Wars re-release with "A New Hope" added.
As for Sith eyes, they're not needed. The story is told just fine without them.
Well was the planet under the Death Star needed? Was the new death star reveal and battle of the heroes along with Obi and Vader's fight needed? Where the million news Ties and fighters in the yavin battle needed? Not really. My point is that Sith eyes look cool, and this would be the perfect place to put them in. I don't mean to whiny or anything but really only Ady can decide what's needed and what's not.
benefits of Sith eyes-
They look cool
They communicate the purpose of the scene more clearly, especially to younger viewers (showing what Luke could become if he chooses the wrong path)
They create another visual link to the PT without ruining the integrity of OT
Well was the planet under the Death Star needed? well yes. the death star was still under construction. In ROTJ it orbits a planet with a protective shield and is a base of operations. It made sense to mirror this fact in ANH
Where the million news Ties and fighters in the yavin battle needed? Not really. again, yes. It was a battle and all the Empire sent out to destroy 30 ships was 5 TIE fighters? There weren't millions either there were only 40. Something that was added to flesh out the battle and have it more of a struggle for the Rebels
benefits of Sith eyes-
They look cool - And thats a HUGE reason not to add them. I don't add stuff in just because it will look cool. That's post SE GL territory and i'm never going down that dark path
They communicate the purpose of the scene more clearly, especially to younger viewers (showing what Luke could become if he chooses the wrong path)
They create another visual link to the PT without ruining the integrity of OT - Well i saw ESB when it first came out in 1980. I was 13 and i went with my brother who was only 9 and some of his friends and they all got it. I think you underestimate the intelligence of the younger viewer. Some things do not need to be explained. it up to the viewer to interpret a scenes meaning. If everything is added to explain everything then it takes away the magic of movies and becomes pretty boring.
There will be no Sith eyes in the OT:Revisited. The Emperor was the only one who ever had the so called Sith eyes until ROTS. If they are supposed to depict that someone is evil & that someone has turned to the dark side then why the hell didn't Dooku have them? Another thing GL added to screw things up without actually thinking about it just because it would look cool. I have said numerous times that i will NOT be adding anything from the PT to the OT. The problems the PT brought up with continuity will be dealt with when i get to the PT.
On another not i have to say a big thank you to everyone who contributed. I have now ordered the quad core and it comes tomorrow. So after tomorrow is down to restarting the colour correction and fixes that i have already done and work at 720p now. :)
Adywan will all the previous work on ESB be in 720p ? a better way to putting it will all of ESB be 720p quality. One more thing why not 1080p is it because of the source material ?
Adywan will all the previous work on ESB be in 720p ? a better way to putting it will all of ESB be 720p quality. One more thing why not 1080p is it because of the source material ?
adywan said:
Octorox said:
JohnGreenArt said:
negative1 said:
by the way, if you can't tell, i'm a purist, i prefer the 77 star wars, and the 81 ep V, and 83 ep VI, but i don't mind watching the SE versions ('from time to time'), but i don't consider them as a replacement.............more like a fan edit..
later
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The 1981 version of ESB? I didn't know there was an '81 version different than the '80 version. What are the changes?
I myself don't mind the Star Wars re-release with "A New Hope" added.
As for Sith eyes, they're not needed. The story is told just fine without them.
Well was the planet under the Death Star needed? Was the new death star reveal and battle of the heroes along with Obi and Vader's fight needed? Where the million news Ties and fighters in the yavin battle needed? Not really. My point is that Sith eyes look cool, and this would be the perfect place to put them in. I don't mean to whiny or anything but really only Ady can decide what's needed and what's not.
benefits of Sith eyes-
They look cool
They communicate the purpose of the scene more clearly, especially to younger viewers (showing what Luke could become if he chooses the wrong path)
They create another visual link to the PT without ruining the integrity of OT
Well was the planet under the Death Star needed? well yes. the death star was still under construction. In ROTJ it orbits a planet with a protective shield and is a base of operations. It made sense to mirror this fact in ANH
Where the million news Ties and fighters in the yavin battle needed? Not really. again, yes. It was a battle and all the Empire sent out to destroy 30 ships was 5 TIE fighters? There weren't millions either there were only 40. Something that was added to flesh out the battle and have it more of a struggle for the Rebels
benefits of Sith eyes-
They look cool - And thats a HUGE reason not to add them. I don't add stuff in just because it will look cool. That's post SE GL territory and i'm never going down that dark path
They communicate the purpose of the scene more clearly, especially to younger viewers (showing what Luke could become if he chooses the wrong path)
They create another visual link to the PT without ruining the integrity of OT - Well i saw ESB when it first came out in 1980. I was 13 and i went with my brother who was only 9 and some of his friends and they all got it. I think you underestimate the intelligence of the younger viewer. Some things do not need to be explained. it up to the viewer to interpret a scenes meaning. If everything is added to explain everything then it takes away the magic of movies and becomes pretty boring.There will be no Sith eyes in the OT:Revisited. The Emperor was the only one who ever had the so called Sith eyes until ROTS. If they are supposed to depict that someone is evil & that someone has turned to the dark side then why the hell didn't Dooku have them? Another thing GL added to screw things up without actually thinking about it just because it would look cool. I have said numerous times that i will NOT be adding anything from the PT to the OT. The problems the PT brought up with continuity will be dealt with when i get to the PT.
On another not i have to say a big thank you to everyone who contributed. I have now ordered the quad core and it comes tomorrow. So after tomorrow is down to restarting the colour correction and fixes that i have already done and work at 720p now. :)
Okay, I won't bring it up anymore. It's your edit and I have no right to argue. I guess it's just that I grew up with the PT and the KOTOR game so to me sith eyes=dark side. However you DID add things from the PT in ANH Revisited (The AOTC Death Star Schematics, a Battle Droid in the junkpile and the Battle of the Heroes music, all additions that I loved) and you did say that one of your primary concerns with these edits was to bridge the PT and the OT. Also I would hate to see the Sith eyes removed in ROTS...and btw Dooku was a conflicted character, he never really drew from the Dark Side as heavily as the others, I honestly like edits where he gets a yellow lightsaber and he would only need Sith eyes in parts of the fight scene with Yoda...but I digress
Anyway here's a more important concern. The red lighting from the Executor's engines look incredibly fake in many shots, like the back part of the Exercutor was just tinted red, there's no real lighting and it almost looks like static flames or something are sprouting out of the back. I'm talking about side shots of the Executor like this one
Looks nothing like
Also to echo my suggestion again about the lack of green in the surface of Dagobah as viewed from Outer Space.
Lastly I really would have liked 1080p so that the project is essentially future-proof (for a while anyway) but beggers cant be choosers
rlockhart said:
Adywan will all the previous work on ESB be in 720p ? a better way to putting it will all of ESB be 720p quality. One more thing why not 1080p is it because of the source material ?
I will be starting from scratch so everything will be in 720p. All the project files ahve been saved so its just a matter of dropping in the 720p source foir the colour correction first pass. shouldn't take me too long to catch up with what i ahve done already. 1080p is impossible to work with on a project like this due to all the colour correction and FX work i will be doing. Even a quad core can't cope with all the work being done. it just crawls or grinds to a hault
Maybe it's not your processor, couldn't your video card have something to do with it? A lot of FX rendering could be video card intensive as well. I'm sure people worked with editing and compositing in HD on normal workstations when quad cores were relatively unheard of.
I also like the Sith eyes in ROTS on the Emperor and they also work for Anakin in the shot when he is takening care of the seperatist since he is on a killin spree but in ESB let it alone. Also how will a 720p movie able to be burned to a dual layer disc or will you only be able to get the best quaility useing a blue ray burner, disc, player etc.
Octorox said:Okay, I won't bring it up anymore. It's your edit and I have no right to argue. I guess it's just that I grew up with the PT and the KOTOR game so to me sith eyes=dark side. However you DID add things from the PT in ANH Revisited (The AOTC Death Star Schematics, a Battle Droid in the junkpile and the Battle of the Heroes music, all additions that I loved) and you did say that one of your primary concerns with these edits was to bridge the PT and the OT. Also I would hate to see the Sith eyes removed in ROTS...and btw Dooku was a conflicted character, he never really drew from the Dark Side as heavily as the others, I honestly like edits where he gets a yellow lightsaber and he would only need Sith eyes in parts of the fight scene with Yoda...but I digress
Anyway here's a more important concern. The red lighting from the Executor's engines look incredibly fake in many shots, like the back part of the Exercutor was just tinted red, there's no real lighting and it almost looks like static flames or something are sprouting out of the back. I'm talking about side shots of the Executor like this one
Looks nothing like
Also to echo my suggestion again about the lack of green in the surface of Dagobah as viewed from Outer Space.
Lastly I really would have liked 1080p so that the project is essentially future-proof (for a while anyway) but beggers cant be choosers
The Death Star schematics were first seen in its red mesh form in ROTJ and with having the scheamtics matching that style in AOTC it was a logical addition and wasn't because it featured in the PT. The battle droid was just an in joke and the music was just to mirror the original duel and not anything like adding things like Sith Eyes. There's a fine line to get a bit fanwanky when doing an edit like this and adding stuff for the hell of it. Some of the ideas i had when starting this whole project seemed great at the time and cool but i have to take a step back and there has to be a logical reason why its added and not just because it will look cool.
The engine colour of the Executor in your shot is down to the colour mess of the 2004 versions. the pre-2004 versions have the engines the proper colour throughout and don't look fake.
replying to rlockhart:
I think you can do that but you'd need a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player to actually play it
Octorox said:
Maybe it's not your processor, couldn't your video card have something to do with it? A lot of FX rendering could be video card intensive as well. I'm sure people worked with editing and compositing in HD on normal workstations when quad cores were relatively unheard of.
Its definately not my video card. After effects uses more of the processor and not the card and when you have got around 50 seperate layers & several compositions at a time, each using a different filter then thats where the problem begins. Don't forget i'm not rendering 3D. PLus there is hardly a noticable difference between 720p and 1080p with the HD sources anyway. 1080p isn't future proof either